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7 minutes ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

That yellow is so light that there's no way we know for sure what's going on with the M60.

But why did they draw some routes in one color and some in another? The green, orange, and purple seem to have no rhyme or reason for what routes they are given to. They did mention that people wanted easier to understand maps, like frequency and light night bus maps in the Existing Conditions Report. Maybe this has something to do with that? I don’t know what though.

15 minutes ago, bobtehpanda said:

Might as well wait.

Though wait, so in the map the Q27 is not going even down to Jamaica? Because I can hardly make that out.

And what on earth could possibly be using Winchester?

Q27 looks to end dead at QCC. 

The bus on Winchester looks to be a new route from Jamaica to North Shore University Hospital in Manhasset.

The routes on the map are colored purple, green, orange and blue, with no seeming reason for it. The purple is only on routes on the eastern half of the borough, plus the Q35. Orange is in Jackson Heights and along other roads like Kissena, Lefferts, and Northern Blvds. Green is almost everywhere, and blue seems to be on Select Bus routes, plus the new Linden Blvd route, the Q8, and a few Brooklyn routes. Also the M60 is yellow for whatever reason.

1 minute ago, bobtehpanda said:

Anyone have a link to the actual picture of the slide, then?

https://mobile.twitter.com/JimRockaway/status/1206723003448463365/photo/3

12 minutes ago, bobtehpanda said:

I mean, it basically sounds like you agree with the idea, but you don't trust the MTA to do it. Which is fair, because I have very little faith that anything in this new plan is going to be much better.

There were lots of improvements that could be made with the existing bus network, and the biggest one would've been a dedicated offset bus lane like the Q44 has, from the western end of Hillside all the way to Springfield. But that would've made too much sense.

Also, dumb question, but what page is the actual map on? Can't seem to find it.

The actual map hasn’t been published online. The MTA held a public meeting on December 16 at Queens Borough Hall, where they presented a PowerPoint on the redesign plan. It was one of the slides they had, and it was posted on Twitter  by @JimRockaway. The routes aren’t outlined, just the streets buses wil operate on.

2 minutes ago, limitednyc said:

is there  any indication the the northern half of b24  being rerouted to go north of queens blvd?

Based on the map the Greenpoint Ave half looks to head up Greeenpoint, then up Van Dam St to Queens Blvd. The map isn’t clear on what happens after that. 

Should find out tomorrow, since that when the Draft Plan is reportedly due to come out.

18 minutes ago, limitednyc said:

i just hope they are working hand and hand with the Brooklyn planners to replace the q59 in north Williamsburg.

They look to be cutting service in the area altogether. From the map shown, the Q59 wont be replaced on Grand St, and the B24 looks to be rerouted from serving Metropolitan Ave, leaving it with no service, to cover Grand St Extension with the Q54 and rerouted Q38.

Also, the “How we’re doing it” section of the Brooklyn Bus Redesign specifically mentions reducing subway competition and route redundancy, and the Q59 in Williamsburg is never more than a few blocks away from the  or B62. I would say B32, but the map no longer shows that route either.

14 minutes ago, limitednyc said:

would that effect the q59  and if so what would cover the western end of  the q59?

Looks like on the map the western part of the Q59, from 61 St to Brooklyn is covered by a rerouted Q38 that looks to run from Woodhaven Blvd  station, down Eliot, and instead of turning around towards the Middle Village-Metropolitan Ave , it turns right on Fresh Pond, covers the Q39 to Rust St, and covers the Q59 into Brooklyn. It follows the Q54 route to Williamsburg after that. Looks like nothing covers the Grand St/Kent/Wythe Aves portion of the Q59.

20 minutes ago, limitednyc said:

where will the q58 be  split at  and will ithe eastern half go further east?

According to an article in the Queens Chronicle, it looks like the Q58 will be split into two routes, not like how the MTA split the M5 into the M5 and M55, but similar to how Nassau has buses like the N48 and N49. Both will share terminals in Flushing and Ridgewood, but one would follow the current route via 108 St and Corona Ave, while the other would likely stay on Horace Harding to the Queens Center Mall, and then take Queens Blvd over to Grand Ave. 

Another question that I have is, what will the MTA be doing with limited stop service? Currently the Q4, Q5, Q6, Q10, Q17, Q25, Q27, Q36, Q43, Q44 SBS, Q46, Q50, Q52 SBS, Q53 SBS, Q58, Q65, Q70 SBS, Q83, Q85, Q100, Q113, Q114 routes have either limited or SBS service. 

So far, from looking at the map: 

Q17 looks to be absorbed by a rerouted Q83

Q36 is basically cut and replaced by the Q110 (Q36 LTD was kind of pointless anyway)

Q58 they are splitting, will they split limited service too?

Q65 is would guess loses limited service and some frequency since it heads up to Beechurst instead of College Point

Q114 only portion was absorbed into an extended Q22, limited cut, as stops made in the Rockaways/Nassau County were local

Plus the MTA had mentioned in their Northeast Queens Bus Study a few years ago that they were considering limited zone service (Ex: Q46 local to Springfield, then nonstop to Kew Gardens). They might have considered some routes like this, and thats why some portions of the map are hard to read. They had said they were looking at the Q12, Q17, Q27, Q46, Q43, and Q88 for limited zone.

7 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

Hold on, running from where to HHE on every 10 peak/20 off peak?

Regardless, a Springfield route running from Bayside to Jamaica av. they'd likely run at 20 min. headways all day (sans overnight service) at best...... Stopping it dead at Union Tpke. from the north would have that bad boy running at coverage headways.....

Doing some rough math, between LTD service & local service, the Q27 operates around every 2.5 mins. on the AM rush, 7 mins. middays, 3 mins. on the PM rush, 3 mins. evenings, and the hourly hawk....

Most of that service I believe is going to be divvied up into / dedicated towards those (proposed) Q26 & Q27 services between Flushing & QCC.... In other words, the Springfield portion of the Q27's likely to see some serious cuts.... I'd be surprised if they even give it that much service (referring to your guess there).... The main reason the (real) Q27 runs on such low headways during peak hours is due to the Q27 Flushing-QCC leg.... This is why I wasn't on board with any of these, the Q27 should be spilt proposals on here... Splitting the Q27 makes it too easy for the MTA to justify cutting service along Springfield Blvd.....

The MTA will be reducing service on Springfield south of QCC, the question is by how much. Based on previous proposals from them, its hard to gauge whether they would reduce service and still overserve, or reduce drastically. I leaned more towards overserve. I mean, in the Bronx Redesign Plan, they didn’t even change the Bx46, which by no means anywhere close to a successful route, and they proposed the Bx30 retain frequent service, at 12 minutes or better on weekdays, when that would bring rush hour service on Boston Rd between Gun Hill and Pelham Pkwy from the ~6 an hour on the W60/61/62 to ~12 to 14 an hour with the Bx30. They are most likely not going to put the right amount of service on these coverage routes in Eastern Queens (Springfield/Bell and Francis Lewis/120). 

19 minutes ago, bobtehpanda said:

An important thing to keep in mind is that each connection is another transfer penalty. If every route is running 10 minutes, that's potentially 20 minutes of waiting time for two transfers. If every route is running every 15, that's a potential 30 minutes. And I've been in many scenarios where due to bad luck with bus stop placements across intersections and crosswalks, I've just missed a bus. If your total time on the bus is only around 40 minutes you've nearly doubled your travel time, and such variability is so intolerable that pretty much everyone making this kind of trip is doing it by car. 

Depends on how far the Q27 goes south.

If you were to stop Q27s somewhere between Union or Jamaica, I would say you could run it every 15 peak and every 30 off-peak. If you were stopping at HHE every 10 peak and every 20 off-peak. As someone who did ride the Q27, Cambria Heights has an insane amount of service and most of those people aren't going all the way into Flushing as it is. Though the only caveat is, I've only ever ridden on weekends, holidays, and summer weekdays.

If I had to guess, as based on the map we have seen so far, the current Q27 will operate from Flushing to QCC, most likely with reduced service compared to now. The Queens bus map shows the Q27 frequency at 3 min (AM), 7 min (NOON), 4 min (PM/EVE), and 60 min (NITE), along with limited service at 8, 11, and 9 minute frequencies during the AM, PM, and EVE times, with afternoons being onto to 120 Ave. I would guess that the Q27, which would share frequencies since the Q26 looks to be extended to QCC, would lose a couple buses an hour, since the route will no longer be heading down Springfield. The current Springfield corridor is over served, especially between 73 Ave and Queens Village LIRR. I would guess that the new Springfield/Bell Blvd bus would run every 10 (AM), 15 (NOON), 10 (PM), 15 (EVE) on weekdays, with service every 15 to 30 minutes on weekends with no late night service, based on how over saturated the corridor is now, combined with the MTA using the redesigns to cut costs.

9 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

Since we are only two days away from the plan being released, should we continue to use this thread or make a new one?

I would say a new one should be made once the plan is released, just to separate the speculation done here from the reactions to the revealed plan.

6 minutes ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said:

According to the map. The Q101 looks like it’s heading straight down Jackson Avenue to Hunters Point. That’s at least how I see it.

I think that is the Q102. Another question would be where do the Q101 and Q102 terminate after they reach 20 Ave? The loop by Hazen St is not on the map for the Q101.

2 hours ago, Union Tpke said:

I still have several questions about routes on the map.

• Where does the green route on Northern Boulevard end? I cannot tell what happens after Bell Boulevard.
• @checkmatechamp13 If the Q80 (Linden Boulevard route) is going to Gateway, where does the Q52 end?
• What does the Yellowstone Boulevard route connect to?
• Does the Western Northern Boulevard route connect with the orange route via Parsons Boulevard ending at the CIP Service Road and Francis Lewis?
• Do the colors seem to mean anything? If not, they did a great job of making it illegible for no reason.

 

Thoughts:

• Is it me, or does it seem like they are through-running the new Q65 with the Q42?
• The Q100, with the closing of Rikers might be cut back, or might not, depending on what happens with the island.

Some more observations:

• The Q55 will be through run with the Q110, like @B35 via Church feared. I looked at the Existing Conditions Report (P.70) and this journey was one of the difficult trips to make with the most riders.
• The Q54 does not run via Cooper anymore, it runs straight on Metropolitan. It also goes from Metropolitan to Hillside, not to Jamaica Avenue.
• Q30/Q31 service via 169th/170th south of Hillside is discontinued.
• Roosevelt Island Q102 service is being cut entirely at the north and south ends of the island in favor of the RIOC bus service, and a shorter and more direct Q66.
• A street redesign will be needed at the Horace Harding and Hollis Court Boulevard to allow for the new Q26 routing. Anyone notice any other necessary redesigns to accommodate the new layout?

Bus lane guesses:

• Hillside Avenue
• Northern Boulevard
• Merrick Boulevard
• Guy R Brewer Boulevard
• Union Turnpike
• Downtown Flushing
• Short segment on Parsons?

I would assume that it would head up to Bay Terrace, but wouldn’t be surprised if it heads down to QCC, since the MTA looks to be trying to make it the local hub of sorts, or if it just ends right at Bell/Northern Blvds, since some of these ideas aren’t the most obvious.

I would assume that the Q52 ends in Elmhurst, as at the area of the Belt and Cross Bay, there looks to be a little blue heading straight, underneath the green line.

Would have assumed the Yellowstone bus was the Q73 (73 Ave) and the Ascan Ave bus would have been the new Q20.

If the Q66 does that it would miss the connection in Flushing, so I don’t think so. If I had to guess it would be similar to the pre-1990s service pattern from Flushing to Woodside-51 St.

Originally I figured the colors might have to do with level of service, like how the MTA had divided service into frequent, semi-frequent, local, and coverage categories. But in the Existing Conditions report, coverage wasn’t colored. Also the routes in blue seem to be random, as they look to be Select Bus Service, but also the Linden Blvd route has it, which I would say local service would be enough.

To me the Q42 looks to head up to 165 St Terminal, so I don’t think the would, as the only turns southbound at Hillside from 164 St are to Parsons. 

The Q26 near Horace Harding isn’t bad, just a right on Francis Lewis and a left on 58 Ave to get back to Hollis Court heading north. 

2 hours ago, 67thAve said:

Inspired by what the MTA did in regards to Queens, as well as by a university project I worked on this semester, I decided to come up with my own (probably shoddy) redesign for the Manhattan bus network.

Feel free to roast me.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1cnrGwH4jgXU9KeiFLqCTcyXatcMTfq7y&usp=sharing

The M100 and M125 were included in the Bronx Redesign plan as the are in a Bronx depot.

Only differences are that the M100 stays on Broadway and terminates at Amsterdam Ave/125 St instead of looping around by the M104 terminal, and that the M125 continues to the 3 Ave-149 St station to cover the former Bx15 route.

I kind of feel that the M100 (in the MTA’s Bronx Plan) should either turn onto 125 St and terminate where the Bx15 does at 12 Ave, or should you around via LaSalle St and Broadway because the buses will need to turn around to head back to Inwood anyway, so why not directly connect to the  train at the end.

Also you have quite a few routes doing the M104 loop at 129 St. 

4 minutes ago, limitednyc said:

how is it going to run through flushing

 

It’s going to follow the current Q25 to 130 St and 23 Ave and then continue up 130 St to 20 Ave and head right on 20th to Francis Lewis. 

I personally think that the Q20 will be ending in Flushing and the Francis Lewis bus will be following this route to Flushing to connect with the 7, but the map isn’t too clear.

3 minutes ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

They did something on Jewel Avenue. One thing for sure is that the Q64 corridor will be greatly "expanded".

The Q64 is my home route. Its either perfect or something causes massive delays that utterly destroy all resemblance of a schedule. I remember last winter heading home from work, the line at Queens Blvd was around the block and bus time was showing one bus in total for either direction. Walked to Kissena before a bus drove by.  

They also have to do something about the stop spacing. I know the blocks aren’t the generic short city blocks, but they aren’t long ones either. To have a stop at every intersection from 164 St to Park Drive East except for 137 St is ridiculous.

Any ideas of what is going on in Forest Hills? There looks to be a Yellowstone route and a route on Ascan.

If I had to guess, the 73 Ave route heads up Jewel, serves the subway and head over to one of the two. Not sure which one.

Also the fact that the Q64 and 108 St routes are both orange, but not all the way to the subway make me feel that the MTA combined the Q64 and Q23. Notice how there is no line on Jewel between 108 St and Queens Blvd, where the Q64 turns back towards 164 St.

If you look closely, there is also a little orange line under the green on Queens Blvd between Kew Gardens and 71 Ave.

14 minutes ago, NY1635 said:

I was going to say that I found the map in this thread and looked at it. Hewlett at Grant Park is the only location that I can think of that would be used as a layover spot for buses since it's right in near a Police Station. Hewlett Broadway is also used as a transfer point between the n1 and n31/32. 

Also noticed the Q85 running down Guy R Brewer and Baisley to reach Bedell Street, then ending at Rosedale LIRR.

Still trying to figure out why the map shows the Q88 going to Great Neck Plaza to serve North Shore University Hospital.

The map looks like it has the Q111 terminating in Rosedale, maybe by Hook Creek Blvd and 149 Rd, just south of its full time terminal today. 

The bus to North Shore University Hospital isn’t the Q88. It comes up Winchester Blvd from Hillside Ave.

https://www.qchron.com/editions/queenswide/pol-we-re-really-depending-on-you/article_71314280-2329-5dd6-a452-7feacb4bc3d1.html

Things mentioned in the article that you wouldn’t get from the map that has be shown:

Q44 extended to Fordham Plaza

Q50 extended to LaGuardia Airport (I get that the Bronx wants a airport route, but why this?)

Q58 split into two routes, but they have the same terminals?

More buses to Lower Manhattan from Eastern Queens including Bayside, Springfield Gardens, Queens Village

Average stop spacing from 850 feet to 1,400 feet

3 minutes ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

But wth is QT though? At least QU or QN would make more sense.

 

Don't even get me started on the express routes. Its already a handful to display SIM33C on prevosts and we supposed to expect the QMT133 would fit perfectly on a 2004-07 D4500CL?

On JimRockaway’s twitter, it looks like he said that the T stands for temporary as to differentiate the proposals from existing routes when they post the trip planner online

Looks like the Queens Redesign Draft Plan will be released later today. Article says there will be a public meeting today at 5:30 PM at Queens Borough Hall.

https://queenscountypolitics.com/2019/12/16/queens-lawmakers-on-the-move-dec-16-2019/

I have a feeling that the MTA wont be releasing the Draft Plan for Queens by the end of November, as they changed the project timeline chart on the site from monthly to quarterly, instead having a Q4 release date. Probably going to be early to mid-December instead.