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  1. This is the real reason I don't see that B53 ending up being implemented before whatever they ultimately got cooked up/finalized for Brooklyn's network... ...which I fully expect to happen. Yeah, but this nuance can't be ignored - The M100 change removed a layer of service along most of 125th.... A B53 implementation with the Queens redesign OTOH would be the exact opposite of that - an addition of another layer of service (along Broadway)....
  2. Logic would dictate that, but I still think it's more of a longevity thing than a higher frequency thing (as far as riders growing that much more accustomed to GCT service). In any case, I find that unlike the typical urban commuter, the typical suburban commuter isn't nearly as transit savvy - so they're more apt to latching onto one particular commute/mode/station.....
  3. Parade goers. Legislators don't give two shits about those nuances.
  4. Without going down the political rabbit hole, what we're seeing happen to this city is being incentivized - including the influx of illegal immigrants.... Welcome to the dark side of capitalism.
  5. If you're referring to @Kingsbridgeviewer382's post at the top of the page, the proposal by state lawmakers being referenced is to throw $90 million towards the (bus) system... Half of which is to go towards increasing bus frequencies & the other half to go towards increasing the amt. of fare free routes to "up to" 3 routes per borough (which is where that 15 number comes from).... There were no specifics as to which routes would get service increases, nor which routes would be made fare free in said proposal.
  6. Likely because Nassau/Suffolk patrons are more familiar with Penn than they are with GCT..... It'll take decades for GCT to reach the level of familiarity amongst LIRR riders that Penn currently has.... That parade could've been on 1st av. & I wouldn't doubt for a second that more of the extra service would've still been dedicated to running to/from Penn.
  7. IDK, my guess is that the weekday buses are for whatever mall workers it can conjure up & the weekend buses are for actual mall shoppers.... The #126 - #85 - #772 combination on weekends has grown to be one of my fave's... Demand for the #355 from the mall is VERY hit or miss (most gun for the #85) & I'm surprised it has as many trips as it even does on weekends.... IME's, it's either buses leaving the mall crushloaded, or with less than a handful of people on it... Never seen anything in between..... Usage from PABT OTOH, I couldn't tell you.... So how many garages is that now that's helping out with the #24?
  8. I haven't used HART since they did away with the brown/beige color scheme on their buses... I don't keep up on bus rosters & things like that, but it appears as if their entire fleet are all minibuses.... Anyway, they used to have more of an effect on the S54 at Whitman at least, but for years now, all I see getting off those things (HART buses) at Whitman, are stragglers.... That whole side of the bus area/terminal/whatever you wanna call it (the individual shelters for all the HART buses & the one for the n79) may as well be all one long ass bus shelter - similar to the ones inside Williamsburg Bridge Plaza.... While malls tend to make for ideal/off street bus terminals in the suburbs, I happen to agree with the sentiment regarding de-hubbing (lol) Whitman.... The new network did it with South Shore Mall; literally having nothing terminating there (and only having the one route; the #7, serving it).... There was too much redundancy with the old network b/w Bay Shore - Mechanicsville rd. & South Shore Mall.... The ironic part is that South Shore Mall still attracts the "average" mall shopper & has less bus service to/from it, while Whitman only attracts mall shoppers in a certain income bracket, but has an abundance of bus service.... As for Sunrise, I'm curious to see what NICE does with those routes, because I honestly don't see much of a point to having the n19, n54/55, n71, and n80 all running over to Amityville, Perceptionally, I suppose you could look at it that way if it helps (comparing separate segments of the #4, each to the totality of the #1), but to me it's immaterial.... Even if I were to resort to segmentizing, I still have to get back to the point where I'm analyzing the totality of the route.... I mean, especially here that you convey that the #4 is appx. at 24 miles & the #1 at appx. 15 miles, oh that further solidifies my stance on not ranking the #4 as the most efficient route.... I can't put any less stock at an almost double-digit distance difference between the 2 routes, than for whatever ceiling I'd ultimately have total #4 patronage at... Putting that another way, I don't see the #4 getting nearly that much more usage than the #1 to even break even (as in, to the point where they'd be equal in the ridership/mile category), let alone surpass the #1in that category.... The #4 will beat out the #1 in total ridership, but I don't see it being to the point where it's more efficient than the #1.... The only reason I wouldn't render the upper-third portion of #4 (say, b/w Central Islip & Smith Haven) as weak, is solely because of Smith Haven itself.... Nichols rd. has long been virtually an unofficial nonstop portion b/w Central Islip & Lake Grove on the old #3D for the longest (it was the only part of my former commute b/w LIRR Central Islip & SUNY Stony Brook that I looked forward to.... buses crawled like shit to get to the campus from Smith Haven {which I absolutely despised}, and I seldom took the old #3D to Brentwood on the commute home b/c Suffolk av. was plagued with more traffic b/w LIRR Central Islip & LIRR Brentwood back then, compared to now).... Traffic moves better along Suffolk av. nowadays, but from my few amount of rides on the #4 thus far (four total), there's undoubtedly less people on these #4's, compared to #3D's to/from Smith Haven.... There's a couple reasons I can think of as to why that is, but overall patronage (regardless of route) in/out of Smith Haven I would keep a watchful eye on if I were SCT... Furthermore, while I get that it was done for coverage purposes & connectivity reasons, I'm not as wild about having the #4 running to Amityville (the lower-third of the route basically) - but at least Straight Path will go way more towards aiding in having the #4 eventually accumulate more overall usage than the #1.... If the #4 perhaps ran to Babylon instead, we wouldn't be having this discussion, as such a route would undoubtedly be more robust/compact than the #1.... Those projected percentages you got there, I simply think are too ambitious; I don't see the #4 west of Brentwood garnering appx. 93% of total #1 usage (for starters, unfortunately, I'm still noticing a fair amt. of people taking (WB) trains along the Main Line within the county for short distances), nor see the #4 east of Brentwood garnering appx. 66% of total #1 usage... To sum this up, while the two routes would be within a certain proximity for the top spot in the ridership/mile category, where we differ here is the sheer level/difference of plentifulness of total ridership on the #4, compared to the #1. I've taken the full #6 twice thus far; both towards Whitman.... First time was on 1/20 & the most recent time was this past Wednesday (love this new 4 day work schedule).... The former of the two was on a dreary Saturday (kind of like today, minus the rain); I can safely say that 7-8 total pax. (myself included) didn't embark on that trip... The latter of the two definitely had less than 20 something total people on it.... I'd say it was closer to 15 ppl. than 20 & most people were off the bus after we served the North Complex.... There was only 1 person that boarded along Jericho Tpke (couldve been another dude, but dude needed the #7)... It was only me & some other dude that got off at Whitman... We both got on the Amityville bound#1 - I took it to Amityville, whereas dude got off b/w rt. 109 & the Southern State. At minimum, your trip only illustrates that SCT should have BEEN rolled out with Sunday service.
  9. The part that forms the loop is the "downtown" sector of Yorktown Heights.
  10. 1] The easiest part for me was ranking the 30 min. routes, which I why I ranked them before plugging the hourly routes in to complete the list.... Albeit for different reasons, my expectation of the hourly routes being around the same benchmark when it comes to ridership/mile, is what made ranking them more difficult/challenging.... Specifically, comparing estimations of how long the routes are to one another.... To sum it up, if I had the route mileage of all the routes, I'd have been finished this list - maybe even within minutes of first seeing the post/inquiry.... 2] Out of those 4 routes you list (#2, #6, #7, #51), the #7 to me is the most stable.... "Stable", in the sense that there's no part of the #7 that I'm all that worried about (in the 3 full rides I had thus far on the #7, the portion north of Jericho Tpke. is actually seeing more ridership than I expected) when it comes to potentially waning, or otherwise wishy-washy ridership.... I can't say the same about the #2, #6, or the #51.... I remember @hounddriver made a post referencing how empty the buses are on the north shore.... Even though I hadn't rode any of the routes yet at that time, I nodded my head as if to be like "yeah, I'm not surprised by that at all".... The first thing I said to myself when I first saw the post, was that the old S54 up there significantly fell off years ago (to the point where demand for the S58 was higher than that of the S54 in the north shore - which is quite sad, considering the S58 only went as far west as Huntington Square Mall in that region of the county), so I didn't necessarily think the new network would make things better in that regard.... As for the #2, by revamping the network the way they did, there's less of a need to use it as a conduit to get to other routes (like what used to be the case with the extent it was done with the S40 at Bay Shore & Patchogue)... Couple that with running it to Amityville & the having of nothing running to/from it in a northerly-southerly fashion in that Bohemia, Sayville, etc. part of the county, I am not optimistic for the route at all... NICE bus over at Amityville isn't going to bring near as much people to the route to have me be any more optimistic for it.... To me, the S40 was more than a coverage route... The #2 OTOH to me, just reeks coverage route (which includes for whatever meager amt. of former S20 & S42 riders that would use it) at this point.... They should've gotten rid of the S42 around the time they got rid of the 1B, 5A, 7D/E, etc.... As for the #51, Station Yards will do just as much for the route as Wyandanch Rising has/will do for the #4 & the #12 ... At best, it'll take some people to/from Downtown Patchogue (which just seems so... fake, to me... Walking around there, I feel like I'm in a video game or something - the people congregating in those establishments along Montauk Hwy. there even LOOK like AI renderings... but that's neither here nor there), but I don't even see that happening.... In any event, while IDK exactly how the route mileage compares between the #2 & the #51, I see more potential for the #51 than I do the #2.... I don't see the #6 doing better than either; the whole northern half of the route is a large reason for that.... Cool. I can see the #4 garnering more overall ridership than the #1, but not to the extent where it'd accomplish having a higher ridership/mile ranking than it... The #4 would just about have to run laps (so to speak) in the ridership department for it to be more efficient than the #1.... That's why I asked how much more usage do you see it getting over the #1... As for what you're saying about the #58, while I still despise having it run to Brentwood from Riverhead, I will admit that the demand to/from Brentwood actually exceeds what I thought it would (which was never my concern, as if to say it would yield little usage... I just think the route from end to end is overkill, but just thought I'd point that out).... What I still gotta find out is, just how far east does most of that demand pan... Just to be clear, we're making the same point about the #5, as it relates to the #4's efficiency & I agree with the demand for the #58 b/w Brentwood & Smith Haven being stronger than that of the #5 b/w the same 2 points... I wasn't at all trying to convey that the #5's running to Smith Haven would significantly affect the #4; "chipping in" to the ridership was the only point I was making with that... Speaking of Smith Haven, I'm not sure what's going on, but the place isn't nearly a madhouse with waiting pax. as it used to be - at least not in my experiences.... Still don't think it should be one of the timed connection points... If it's a testament to the new network providing less of a need for more people to be xferring there, I wouldn't know it.... That, and/or the new network being a stark decrease in overall/county-wide coverage compared to the old network, bringing less people to the mall as a result...
  11. 1] I agree with BM5 Woodhaven, where he said something to the effect of the #52a/b (at least the western/shared portion of the 2 routes) having more going for it.... Just like there was a need for a route like the #4 b/w Deer Park & Central Islip along the main line, there's also a bit of a need to connect Central Islip & Ronkonkoma along the main line.... I'd say you're grossly underestimating the #52a/b if you think most of the usage is going to come from Coram & Gordon Heights; those are hardly the folks commuting to/from the rail... The western/shared portion of the #52a/b I undoubtedly see garnering a lot more usage than either of the individual portions of the #52a/b (as in, east of SCCC Selden).... Basically, I see total #17 usage & total (individual) usage of the #52a & #52b being all washes.... The #52a/b isn't that much longer than the #17 for me to have ranked it ahead of them... With the #52a & #52b individually being hourly routes & the #17 being a 30 min. route, for me, that pushes the #17 back even further in the rankings... I can see the case for wanting to rank the #62 below the #17, but I can't ignore having the #17 as a half-hourly route... I think 30 min. service for most of the route is that unwarranted - even for however compact it might be to you or anyone else (while it's shorter than most the routes in the network, I personally don't think it's all that compact, as there's too much of the route I see hardly getting much usage.... North of the main line, usage-wise, I see it being the weakest of the options getting to/from the county offices).... Outside of service to the court complex, I'm beginning to think they made the #17 a 30 min. route, just so that they can interline it with the #11. 2] Oh, I actually do think it'll garner significantly more usage than the #55..... It's more due to the downfall of the old S61, than the potential I (still) see for the totality of the #5 - even with that empty mileage b/w Deer Park av & once it leaves Pilgrim Psych. center (which I see them doing eventually doing something with).... I'd say it started happening before the fact, but it does seem like ever since they fixed up downtown Patchogue, demand for the old S61 in general fell off a cliff... Similar to what happened with the demand for the old S29 north of Deer Park (around Grand Blvd.) falling off a cliff once they "simonized" (as I like to call it) Whitman mall...
  12. Yep, I've experienced this too many times on the & the ... Wouldn't doubt for a second it happens on other lines as well..... Come to think of it, I've seen one dude one night earlier this year shootin up (heroin) on the as well.... I usually don't take the from Manhattan, but I didn't feel like taking the M15 down to Delancey for the to get to WBP.... Hell, I would see them more on the LIRR than I would on the NYC subway.... News to me that they're even at Woodside.... But yeah, they'd randomly ride on Brooklyn/Atlantic terminal trains [LIRR].... Sometimes they'd take main line trains as far east as Hicksville, to then switch over to a WB train & ride back to Jamaica or whatever...
  13. Damn... Just realized I forgot to... actually make the damn map I'll get to it later, after I come back. Yep, I noticed it on my initial ride on the #7... The immediate area looks infinitely tidier & presentable! As for Syosset, well there's always been demand for the more commercial part of Syosset, south of the RR station (as in, along Jericho Tpke, over there by S. Oyster Bay rd. & Underhill rd).... Problem with the old N94 (the route you're referencing) was that it ran in the opposite direction along Jericho Tpke. to serve the business parks... It literally did nothing to address the demand for the part of Syosset people wanted.... Those taxi's at the RR station (Syosset) continue to make a killing because of it. Something's gotta serve it... I guess. Their thought process is likely something along the lines of *everyone can xfer at Brentwood*... Three cheers for.... pulse points? This is the rider navigator page (the page with all the interactive/individual route maps).... If this was the intent, then it isn't working (at least on my end) because I've been checking individual route maps at random throughout these past 2 weeks or so, and all of the maps remain static..... Static, as in, nothing is being shown as being in service/being tracked on any of the individual interactive maps.... Yep, those are ARBOC's - and they even resort to running them on some of the longer routes in the system too... That split sign you saw was likely a 17/11, since they both interline at the county offices in Hauppauge... I've done 3 fantrips out there now & each time I've seen that ARBOC with the 11/17 paper on the windows..... I understand it's going to take a good minute to get a bunch of signs up county-wide & do away with all the shelters that are no longer bus stops, but I'm still of the sentiment that it's been long enough for them to at least do away with these placards for bus stops... For me, it's those very placards that are tacky... Missing bus stop signage is flat out embarrassing (I get miffed at missing signage here in the city, b/c the DOT's damn quick to put up new signage for new routes (and/or for routes that's been altered.... they usually do it days before a new route/altered route change is set to be implemented).... While I'd like to do trip reports for all my fantrips, the reality is that I feel like it's all for naught nowadays.... Hate to sound like the old man yelling at clouds here, but that's the one thing I do miss about the good old days in this online transit community... Of course not everyone, but back then, there was more of an interest from forum users when it came to checking out some fantrip someone did - whether it was in text form and/or picture/video form.... But if I feel compelled enough, I'll still do them from time to time.
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