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Just now, Lawrence St said:

Why is 3520 mismatched?

3520 was always mated with 3891. It was one of the few mismatched pairs.

On 3/24/2024 at 3:16 PM, slantfan4281 said:

Saw a video where some more R32s (12 I think) are sitting in the 65th street yard waiting for scrap. Anyone know what numbers they are?

3384/5, 3472/3, 3520/3891, 3728/9, 3876/7, 3932/3

R62As 1934+2177-2180 have returned into service on the  today. (2177-2180 were involved in the 96 St derailment on January 4)
 

1934 has red 240 St stickers now.

Quite interestingly, R32s 3810/1 were spotted at Coney Island Yard, which were previously linked with 3520/3891 at 38 St Yard.

credits to the person who caught it.

2 hours ago, zacster said:

That's what I'd think.  There are R32s on the track at 37th St and Ft Hamilton Parkway.  3502 was one of them.  They look like they were prepped to be taken off property.  I was going to see what was there but there wasn't any place to do pull my car over. 

 

You mean 3520/3891? It’s been linked with 3810/1 at 38th since right after Christmas. Surprised they’re still there tbh.

There’s currently a R32 train running in the Rockaways.

Consisted of cars 3646-7, 3828-9, 3888-9, 3894-5 (All cars from the final run).

Also this week, a train from Concourse was sent to Coney most likely for scrap.

Eight more R32’s headed to 36-38 St Yard for scrapping. Consisted of 3471/3658, 3642/3, 3694/5, 3786/7.

Seems this might be the more appropriate thread for this.

Earlier this week 3642/3 and other former R32 work service units (first of many) were being prepped to leave the system.
 

Additionally it seems that 3354/5, 3471/3658, 3514/5, 3518/9, 3896/7 were heading to Coney to get scrapped.

1 hour ago, Bill from Maspeth said:

 

By smashing it with a blunt object or a hard kick with heavy boots.  There is a bit of hollow behind those seatbacks so that's how they were able to kick it in.  That damage is something that cannot be repaired.  Either they replaced the damage with a seatback from an out of service car, or 3840/41 were the 2 cars removed from the train.  The other car from that pair had a damaged light fixture.  Supposedly the train is 8 cars today, which I can verify when I show up later.

It was 3888/9 that was removed from the consist. 3840/1 is in-service today.

31 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

Don't we still have the R32 cars that ran on Metro North during the acceptance?

Yeah, 3360/1.
 

I think Bill meant the first train to run on NYCT property which was an entirely different consist, as per nycsubway.org. The 9/14/64 consist have all been scrapped.

240th St R62A set: 2241-5/2411-5 are running on the .

2 hours ago, Storm said:

Lol I think the person that made this position doesn't know:

1. Kawasaki has already started making the R211's and if they scrap everything, that would be a few month's work down the drain

2. It would take an additional few years to design the new cars, which will push back the R211 and the r262 order back a few years. 

3. The R46's are suffering enough. The ones in coney Island are about to die. My prediction is those things will last until 2025.

4. Which brings me to my next question:

I personally think that the base should go to C.I because those ones are being overworked. I understand that they're meant for 8th Ave, but the C.I lines are gonna be in serious car debt soon.

What this person REALLY doesn’t know is the  spent a lot of money on new cars and they aren’t going to “scrap them” just because someone railfan made some petition. Also, open-gangway is a standard design around the world, and has proven very successful.

6 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

If Pitkin can't transfer the r46's to CI, then those r46's will retire first.

If anything, they can shuffle the R46s around. The worst performing CI R46s can be swapped with Pitkin R46s or be indirectly replaced by a new R211 set, while a decent Pitkin set gets pushed to CI.

5 minutes ago, R68ACTrain said:

Not a fan of this. The R211s are better off to indirectly replace the R46s of the  and . Since August 17, 2006, Coney Island has been operating R160s since they debuted on the . It's better to keep the trains as is, but give R211s to the  because of the high ridership on those lines. If more 4 car sets are exercised, they're more than welcome to run the . Instead of doing all that R179 goes here this and that, how about we keep the train assignments as is, give CI  440 R211s, and give Coney Island  all Siemens'  and 180 Alstoms, or in that case 90 because Coney has 90 Alstoms. 

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Here's my agenda:

Rock   R211, R160 >R46, R179

 R160, R68/A

 R160, R211>R46, R68/A,  

: Share R211, R143, 160

 : R211>R160B Siemens, R160A/B Alstom

 

It is better off for 207th Street to keep their R179s, and have the  run full length with every fleet at Coney Island. No need to have R179s go to Coney Island foamers.

I actually agree with the R211s going to the  as long as it’s full length, although we’ll see if the  actually does that. As for the , why can’t it just be 100% full length. It’s already at 50% with the R46. When the R211s come, they should displace any four-car sets that are on the .

Some of you guys are suggesting that the base order will go to various yards, but we have to remember, as of right now the entire order (except 20 R211T) consist of close-end cars, as the open gangways haven’t been tested yet. For all we know the gangways can fail and we’ll just get close-ended cars for the whole order. Also, the R211s are coming with CBTC and are supposed to assist with 8th Avenue CBTC, which means the  need to be CBTC-ready. This is why I think Pitkin/207 should get the entire base order, and any additional cars from Option I.

1 hour ago, Stormxx said:

The difference between R160A's and R160B's are the doors, right? The A's make a whirring sound and the B's are silent.

For the R160C's (cuomo), are they all Alstom built?

To your first question, yes the door motors are slightly different. The R160A door motors tend to be the more quiet ones than the R160B ones. There may be other small differences that no ones pointed out yet.

As for the Cuomo R160s, 70 R160Bs and 30 R160As were used for Jamaica. There’s also 8 more R160As that are used in ENY. 

4 hours ago, Stormxx said:

I thought all 660 Kawasaki Built had siemens propulsion, so some Alstom built cars had the siemens SITRAC propulsion and some Kawasaki built cars had the alstom ONIX propulsion? Also I'd think (change of plans) 750 cars should go back because of the 's return. 

All the R160As (built by Alstom) have Alstom Onix propulsion. 400/660 R160Bs (built by Kawasaki) have Alstom Onix as well. Only 8843-9102 (260 cars) have Siemens SITRAC.

You can read about the R160 specifics here:

https://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/New_Technology_Trains_-_B_Division

1 hour ago, Stormxx said:

Here was my original plan: 

If both options are exercised and the R211T test goes well, the order would be mostly open gangway. We could see C.I getting the all of the R211A's and their siemens and some alstom units coming back. If C.I were to get 70% of their r160's back, then we could see about 1,200/1,662 cars returning. That would be enough for the .

There were 580 R160s for the  before the swap, and 490 were swapped out. 70% of that would be about 340. If it were up to me, I’d send all 1,290 R160 five-car sets to Jamaica for fleet uniformity, but let’s see what happens.

17 minutes ago, Stormxx said:

C.I- 10% of the 5 car order

Jamaica: 50% of the 5 car order

Pitkin: 30% of the 5 car order

Concourse: 10% of the 5 car order

ENY: 70% of the four car order

207th St: 20% of the four car order

Fresh pond: 10% of the four car order

R179's:

ALL R179's from 207th would go to the .

R160's:

207th St: 250 Siemens

C.I- 800 cars: Siemens and Alstoms

If Jamaica has a car shortage, I'd say that the 10% to concourse would go to Jamaica instead.

There’s going to be a really small amount of four-car sets R211s, only 32 of them (subject to change). So you’re going to split four 8-car trains between 2-3 yards? There’s also 260 R160 Siemens, it’s best to keep them in one yard.

7 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

possible work service as these didn't pop up on the yet (3938/3939 also didn't pop up on the )

3522/3523
3876/3877
 

 

3876/7 has been in-service for at least a week now. Not so sure about 3522/3.

On 7/16/2020 at 12:30 AM, Calvin said:

3404-5, 3430-1, 3628/3669, 3872-3, and 3419/3471, 3688-3689, 3471/3658, 3590-1 at ENY making the total to 11 8-car trains w. a 4-car spare. 

 

ENY has all their 4-car R160A units except 8649-8652 that's CBTC testing (8313-8648, 9943-9974)

3548/3593 and 3896/7 also at ENY. They were seen on the  this week.

Add 3404/5, 3430/1, 3628/3669, and 3872/3 to ENY.

I'll throw in some predictions while we're at it. 

Personally, I can see the base order and a chunk of option 1 going to Pitkin/207 Street, while the rest of the order to CI. The R160s at CI can be bumped to Jamaica, and surplus R68s can go to Concourse, in order to make the yards as uniform as possible.

The MTA is now planning to install CBTC equipment on the ENTIRE R160 fleet. Smart move.

@R32 3838 Seems like someone already posted the move on YouTube:

1 hour ago, Coney Island Av said:

do you happen to know the numbers for those R32s? i already know the numbers for the ten already in work service (3494-95, 3510-11, 3552-53, 3642-43, 3694-95) 

3414/15, 3430/31, 3614/15, 3780/81, 3798/99, 3804/05