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IIRC, isn't the supposed to be all R179s eventually? It would make sense as it would reduce the amount of fleets each yard has to deal with. That, and the will get R179s too and the uses 207 Street as well.

 

As for Montague, I believe the reason the R32s are banned is they moved some of the wires that were in the duct banks to the ceiling to protect them from future floods. As a result, all cars after the R42s, with their curved bodies, can clear the wiring, but not the straight-built R32s and R42s.

The A is only getting 5 sets of 179s

 

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I thought got R32s because:

 

a) 8-car consists are run on both; and

b) the was picked because R32 AC units kept failing since the entire runs in tunnels, while the Jamaica Line is above ground for 80% of its journey - lessening the load on the units.

I don't delve that deep but that is plausible.

 

Kinda like the needing to have 8 cars at max. I made a comment speculating about a ten car and I was corrected.

 

AC units are failing on some R62s as well. I reported #2138 last week. It was blowing hot air.

 

https://twitter.com/MassTransitKrow/status/875785498756820992

 

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One of the reasons that the J/Z got the 32s is yes, the A/C systems. Hence why for a few years the J and C did a summer swap. Its become year round because the MDBF of the 32s is the worst and to have them all on the C reduces the reliability of the line. Having a mix of 32s and 160s balances out.

Its not always politics or economic statuses of the neighborhoods.

 

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On the inside.

I know the rollers are different and the front ends look more like what the R62s became.

 

In my eyes, they share the same depressing aesthetic.

 

I think the post-white flight cleanup was awesome, but the tunnels, disused tracks and even substation walls are mired with graffiti.

 

And largely in blighted neighborhoods.

 

This is why the and , which both serve East New York, have the oldest cars in the fleet.

 

That section of town is systematically deprioritized. They got the wrong Moses unfortunately.

 

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The ends were the first of its kind in NYC subways starting with the Modified R40s and becoming common with the R44/46s. The interior was done similar to the 32s during the General Overhaul of the late 80s early 90s.

 

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If I remember, aren't they the second-oldest? Thirty years is a stretch.

It would make them older than the R32s are now or in ten years.

Third oldest. You forget the 42s

 

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Is it just me, or does anyone else think that having all these NTTs looking exactly alike is boring and takes some of the elegance and aesthetic appeal of the subway away?

They do that for ease of maintenance. Its happened over the decades thru generations of cars. Its nothing new. (Arnines, Redbirds, 32s-38s, 40s-42s, 44s-46s, 62s-68s(the New Car Fleet), etc. And the 179s are the last of the NTT fleet. Next is the "next gen" with the 211s

 

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Sheez i just went in on some foamer on yt who said the r46's will stay till 2050 and said they will upgrade the r46's in 2018 saying he read an article.

Lmao!!! I saw that article. It was one of those "channel 45 news" prank articles. It even says on the top of the page its a prank.

 

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I'm just waiting for one of these trainsets to hit the ...

They won't. It'd only four cars per set being tested for each one as far as I know

 

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WHAT IN GOD'S NAME ARE THESE PEOPLE DOING

Wait, they got a third system being tested?

 

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This morning I saw a R68a with a door that wouldn't open.

Thats a "cut out" door. You'll see that from time to time. When a door malfunctions and it doesn't mess up indication then its cut out and the train continues in service.

 

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A quick question about pilots: is it the MTA or the builder who determines the number of pilots and configurations of said pilot cars?

 

(For example, choosing to have one pilot R211S set and one pilot R211A set as opposed to just one R211A pilot set or two R211As)

I would safely assume its the MTA. Look at the previous orders, one pilot per configuration and usually per builder.

 

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What happens if a board falls on an active platform?

The c/r MUST NOT open the doors and contact Control for instructions. (They actually test C/Rs on that)

 

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But all the local trains were delayed anyway.

Fact is, those platforms are closed. The gates are locked. And more importantly, there's no C/R boards. If a c/r were to open doors with no board they are taken out of service. And a move like that doesn't fly in the subway. Simple as that

 

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Hypothetically I was thinking of the train backing up on the local track to where the train originally was waiting, Then crossing over to the express track as usual. And if the trains were held for 15 mins anyway then the the following could have been held at Clinton Washington or something.

Same move pretty much and same problems. And now you're delaying two trains.

 

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The switch is just east of the station how long could it take theoretically?

if the train was held for 15 mins what's the difference? haha

Where do I begin?

One,those platforms are closed. No conductor indication boards. Gates are locked. No proper platform edges. No proper lighting etc.

But here's how a move like that I'm would be done and why it never will:

Train pulls in opens doors. T/o moves to other end of train. Waits for the line up(signal) when a space is available(which it won't). Once clear of the original switch, T/O walks to the original end of the train and waits for the proper line up again.

If you think this is better than a 15 min wait, 1)you have a lot more to learn about operations 2)I got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

 

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It would be cool if in that case the could just pull into Hoyt Schermerhorn on the Local Track, let people cross over to one of the many trains passing, then (reverse back to the switch and proceed to Manhattan when the coast is clear.

Headways are one thing that won't allow that operation. As well as how long that relay would take to pull off. And those platforms are closed. Have been for years. Its actually quicker to just hold the train.

 

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Okay my bad.

Dispatching a railroad is difficult. And certain trains have priority. Do you know that the E has a high priority even on 8th ave? Unfortunately the C isn't high on the totem pole. Look at the B. It gets suspended when a major delay happens. At least with the C they'll adjust, reroute or split it before it gets suspended.

 

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that's completely unfair and i really do not like that statement. just because it is a part-time or local supplement doesn't mean you should have passengers sitting in the train for a good 15 or more minutes just so a full time line can get priority.

Well think of it like this, you have a C train, on time or even a few minutes early. And you have the A, which just had a delay back trains up. Its common practice among railroads. It may seem unfair to you being on that C, but overall, its how a railroad functions. Its it unfair if those express riders on those trains and those waiting for stations up ahead, to have them wait longer. "The needs of the many...."

It happens. Its not every train. But certain lines have priority over others. Fact is the A has more riders and trains than the C. Simple as that. If been on, and worked on, plenty of A trains that were held to allow a C to cross cause that was how the schedule is made. If that C is late, the A will wait (as long as its within a reasonable time or the A is early). Remember, if the A gets delayed northbound, then soon downtown trains will gap. And that will affect other lines it comes across.

Think of it this way too, last week there was a switch problem. A trains had to run local in place of C trains. Was it fair to those A riders to board an express and wind up on a local? For their trips to now take longer? To get more crowded trains that are now serving two lines? I understand your frustration, but that responds was kinda childish (NO disrespect there).

 

 

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R46 and R68 has the same acceleration which very good but R160 has a bit faster acceleration. I like R46 and R68 because of the seating arrangements especially by the window and longer cars.

The NTTs are lighter than the 46/68s (68s being the heaviest in the fleet). This is whybthe NTTs are faster. Weight is always a factor in speed.

Anyone know why the seems to be prioritized over the whenever there are delays? During today's West 4th Street signaling debacle, my Manhattan-bound sat in the tunnel before Hoyt-Schermerhorn for 15 minutes while five (A)s went by, and this happens probably once a week. Is it more efficient to not move the switch back and forth or something?

A trains get priority over the C. The C is a local supplement of the A.

In a similar vein, how do relays at Forest Hills work? Do trains use the lower-level/yard tracks, or cross over the active, express tracks?

There's a lower level with 4 tracks that they use. Those tracks lead to the Jamaica yard.

 

As for Union turnpike, there's tracks on the lower level leading to Jamaica yard from the east and merge with the tracks from the west (Forest Hills).

 

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They do that every summer.

 

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is there a way to where we can know what style of seating will be in all versions of the 211?

Not yet

 

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I could see that for the 211S cars. It I think they're gonna do the same as the did with the 44s- build the same cars but with different operational specs.

 

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Well the original Hudson Terminal platform was probably put as close as possible to the H&M. But the Chambers platform was designed to serve the Chambers St area, leaving the terminal station to serve Hudson Terminal (hence the names).

You're original post was written backwards kinda. The Chambers st platform is actually north of the WTC platform.

 

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I thought WTC (then Hudson Terminal) was arranged like that to provide a direct access to the H&M tubes

 

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How does the platforms at Union Square know when the train arrives at the station?

I would assume track circuit.

 

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Is the car body design the exact same as that of the R160s? Maybe it's just me, but the I think R179s look slightly more angular.

Not the exact same. There's a number of small differences

 

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