East New York

You guys have to read my whole posts. I said the other buses aren't going anywhere, so for the time being are the D60's are the only buses that will be moving out. The assignment was swapped so Quill is now getting the bulk of them. Not GH.

On 1/2/2018 at 1:18 AM, MysteriousBtrain said:

3902, 3950 to OH to prepare for the M31/M86 swap.

No, those were the snow loaners. And 3950 is at Zerega even though it's assigned to OH. Official swap assignments Are actually due now.

On 12/30/2017 at 4:59 PM, Orion6025 said:

M79 SBS is mixing 40s and 60s now

The s79 doesn't run 60 footers.

I'm going to go over the whole roster this eve for a update. The lastest roster has been posted at TTMG as of 1/2/18 and I will have the updates through tonight. There have only been a few changes but I will list them.

5180 MQ to JA

5229, 5230 from MQ and pulled from service to System Reserve

56 minutes ago, Brillant93 said:

@East New York congrats on 10 years!!!

Thank you!

Guys I just asked if you could stop with all the questions. As soon as I get final assignments I post them. There's way too much clutter in this thread now. I can't keep track of what moves and transfers have and have not been posted. 

Preliminary was previously posted a few times already and this is a main reason all this excess clutter needs to be kept to a minimum. On another note, please don't quote whole posts unless you absolutely have to. 

Hybrids to MV and possibly EN

7484 was pending Flatbush at last update. However this bus has no official assignment. Everything is also subject to change as always, so try to hold off with some of these questions until the information is posted.

4418, 5696, 8335, 8342 to WF as loans if not mentioned. 

Ok! Lol. Perfect example of everything being subject to change. This is the reason finalized XD60 assignments were not confirmed at the time of my posting. Also many asked what buses would be leaving GH and I have a list of almost none other that D60HF's. Now I know why.  The assignments have been changed yet again. Lol. Quill may not get the XD's from Grand now and may go to EN. GH will keep the 4700 XD60's for the time being, send the new 6000 series XD60 loaners/deposit evaluation buses back to their respective depots, and the new assignment is as follows. 

MQ (77) 

GH (15) 

I don't know who is getting what yet. I'm waiting in delivery confirmation.

It will be either 5439-5515 MQ and 5516-5530 GH.

Or MQ-GH-MQ.

I am also being told that in light of all this the XN60 assignments are on the horizon. Something like 28 to JG and 82 to WF. This would retire some buses and bump Ann the rest (30 Nova LFSA's)  to GH and other depots, while retiring a few and bumping the rest of the 36 D60's to other depots. This would leave WF 16 XN60's for the Bx36 articulated conversion. 

Side note. This week makes my 10th Anniversary at NYCTF and I honestly can't keep up anymore lol. If I take one day off I could miss anything the way the New MTA is set up. Sheesh.

Preliminary base order assignments pending: 

MQ (15) 5439-5453

GH (77) 5454-5530

Preliminary Electric Bus Test and Evaluation: Buses will swap depots after 18 months of service and evaluation. This will enable TA to test the logistics of moving electric fleets, depot chargers, in-route chargers, and maintenance equipment between depots. After another 18 months of revenue service, MTA will evaluate all the data of both fleets, and compare operations out of both depots. They will then make a decision on an order for 50 buses by December 2020.

The lease agreement of 10 all-electric buses.

Phase 1 December 2017 through June 2019

Phase 2 (Fleet and Equipment Swap) June 2019 through January 2021

MQ XE40 0011-0015

GA BE40 0016-0020

As always, anything is subject to change.

9 hours ago, limitednyc said:

could u please put up a link

A link to what?

8 hours ago, Calvin said:

5202 Michael Quill to Jamaica

6 hours ago, Armani said:

What Were The Spec Changes

I have 5202 on the roof at Quill.

Let's wait for all the questions until we have everything posted. If we miss something, then ask away. The details will be on the first page of the Fleet & Depots thread when it is updated. 

Ok guys the official assignments are now said to be complete and I'm just waiting on confirmation. At that time the first post on the first page of this thread will be updated. There are some changes as I expected. Namely with the LFSA fleet. It appears to have been a couple spec changes. The pilots are 5439-5442. 

However, because of said spec change the delivery order has also changed. 

5447 is now at the vendor awaiting final inspection and will be assigned to MQ. This is a 2017 mode and I'm being told at least 10 or more of the buses are aready built and may all start coming back to back. Both base and options have now been combined for a total delivery of 164 buses that will be numbered 5439-5602 with delivery begining immediately and running through 2019. 

So for the record, even though it's not physically there just yet, it is official. 

5447 pending to Quill. The LFSA's are finally in the building!!! 

On 12/26/2017 at 7:52 PM, limitednyc said:

how large is the xd40 order and when will we know how meny busses will go where?

Assignments should be finalized and posed 

367 XD40's

5 Allison XDE40's

5 BAE XDE40's

On 12/26/2017 at 11:46 PM, Cait Sith said:

No one is really bitching but one person.....and even so, he's entitled to his opinion, just like we are.

If it's local, then its the M14....if it's SBS, well, they have three to choose from, and the M23 is honestly the perfect test bed for them.

I agree. But it only makes sense in my opinion for them to split them between depots like any other BTE test. Then maybe have dedicated routes for them. Like the M14, M15, M23, M34, M60, B82

7 hours ago, FLX9304 said:

The LFS that starts with 8504, IIRC

Correct. 1st page of this thread has the info and will be updated soon.

6 hours ago, Dannny said:

WHAT?! So now MJQ has no more 1998 rts? And this was the week i wanted to get a pic of the last one they had.

The 52 remaining RTS will eventually wind down, but they will retire out of Quill and another Depot or two and everyone will know. It will be a semi-public event because of the history of MTA with the RTS. It also holds the record of longest lasting GM platorm ever with the Fishbowl almost tying at #2. It hold the record for easiest maintenance by Altoona, and MTA has already stated they are only getting rid of them because the bulkheads are beginning to crack, they are high floor, and the Governor wants them gone. If it were up to DOB they probably would have rebuilt the 94, 96 and 99 batches. Either way a few should stay around for sytem reserve for a while. The last will likely retire out of Quill and EN.

If anyone have ever taken the "Test Your Bus IQ" currently found on buses with Digital Info Screens, you will have noticed a question being "What does RTS stand for?" 

Moves:

0016 to GA

0021 is a infrastructure, manuvering, engineering, and maintenance test bus. This one will go back to Proterra at some point in the near future.

Everyone note I have not updated the first post in this thread because so much has been going on. Buses are all over the place and now we are finally getting some decisions made about what should be going where.

Assignments are being finalized now and will be posted in short order. 

1 hour ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

They're still better than those damn RTS buses.  They need to go already.  Horrible/non-existent AC, and boarding takes forever since they aren't low floor buses.

I'm pretty sure we are all fully aware that these nearly 2 decade old buses annoy you and many others lol. Relax my man. They make up less than 10% of the fleet systemwide. And contrary to popular belief, they are loved much more than they are hated. 

And I guess I just have good luck. I haven't had one with bad AC in at least 4 years, and I ride them much more ofther than the average passenger.

1 hour ago, trainfan22 said:

I'm bummed Quill is getting hand me down "new" buses. If I was them I'd rather wait a few months and get brand new 40 foot buses than LFSs that are a few years old, yeah quill has those XE40s but those will only run on the M42!

Quill is getting plenty of new buses in the not too distant future. Just give it some time. 

1 hour ago, MHV184 said:

Actually I don't think they will even touch the XDE40 since those orders are meant for ENY and MV.

MV is the only Depot confirmation as of right now. 

210 standard hybrids (10 test pilots included), 10 articulated hybrids, and 5 articulated electric buses are all on the immediate horizon. 

Speculation is surrounding EN, MV, MQ, and QV for standard hybrids, with MQ, and maybe EN, MC, or OH for artics. 

I would also imagine the electric artics would go to a Manhattan crosstown route as previously mentioned.

In 3 years 50 electric buses will be delivered, and and an order for addition artic hybrids would likely go in. 

Word is 1000-1015 could possibly be XDE60's, XE60 or other such as BYD or Nova, and 1 alternative energy bus such as an XHE60 hydrogen-electric hybrid.

As of now Proterra does not have an Electric artic offering, but several agencies are pushing for them to develop one in the near future. BYD and NFI offer them, but none have ended service with any agencies in North America. The first production XE60's are planned for delivery to Boston's MBTA in 2018.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays NYCTF!

0020 to ZA

0021 to GA

MQ summary in case something was missed by anyone. Most if not all were posted at some point. 0011, 0012, 6096, 6098, 6100, 6102, 6104, 6106, 6108, 8073-8075, 8077, 8083.

3878, 6386, 6388, 6390, 6412, 6426, 6635, 6651, 6664, 6668, 6694, 6699, 6717 to OH and currently assigned to the M15, M86+, M101, M102, and M103.🎄

In addition to these assignments, MV is currently operating 50 of it's hybrids on ALL of the OH routes mentioned above.   

The way these orders are set up Staten Island will likely end up in the Xcelsior bunch at some point. If MTA keeps placing orders and exercising option 60% NF and 40% Nova it's inevitable they start moving into new territory. They are already in 4 Boroughs now, so Staten Island is a given at some point in the near future. Official assignments should be in soon. Those of course are subject to change when the Novas come in. The hybrids on the S79 will likely end up being Xcelsiors one day as well. TA wants all the hybrids off the Island. As 7484 is now on property, the remaining pilots 7485-7487 are already built as well and should begin audit testing immediately. 

In other news, post Hurricane Sandy damage, the FR Depot rehab project is coming along really well. The Depot is looking really good now. I've been over a few times in recent weeks to see it for myself. There are more than 65 buses "unofficially" assigned to the Depot. As ifirst mentioned quite some time ago, it does still appear that the Q52+ will be split ops when the Depot goes back online.

In other bus news, Nova LFSA's are due any day now. The MTA bus XD40 order should be finalized I'm the beginning of 2018. 

New Flyer wants to start the evaluation on the XE40's before the in-route charging units are built and installed along the M42 route. Their representatives are saying the bus can go out on the road for a few hours then return to the Depot for fast charging. MTA's introduction plans were to have the BB uses begin service on the route after the line chargers are installed. So at this point we may see them sooner than later if MTA goes with New Flyer's recommendation. We will have to wait and see how this goes.

1016 is reported to be doing well as the other 4 pilots undergo evaluation. This is just a reminder for those that may not remember but this order contains 5 pilots. 1016-1020. The plan is to have all these buses in service by next Fall. This is an accelerated delivery and planned as a super-acccereated pilot testing phase in order to ender the buses into service even faster than the 7000 series Xcelsiors.

6 hours ago, Cait Sith said:

He does this on Facebook....don't take it seriously.

Ok well he's not gonna do it here! Lol

14 hours ago, Wedderburn47 said:

Jamaica Bus Depot rehabilitation in April 2018 
Q3, Q4, Q5, Q17, Q30, Q42, Q77, Q84, Q85 where the bus routes are going to other depots 
Queens Village Q3, Q4, Q30, Q42
CS Q17, College Q30
Rockville Center Q5, Q77, Q84, Q85 X63, X64, X68

 

Please stick to the facts. First off the Depot is not going to be rehabilitated. It's aground up re-build. NYCT and Bus will NOT be merged in Spring of '18, and the final disposition of everything is not yet complete. 

The new depot is set to begin construction before the old one comes down anyway.

Second of all thia has nothing to do with fleet moves, as the fleet roster will be much different by the time routes begin to transfer to other depots. This does not belong here.

Third fun fact of the evening is that you do not have permissions to be posting claims like these on this forum without some sort of source.  

Thank you and carry on.

Starting this coming pick the M31 will go to OH and the M86S will go to Quill.

The LFS transfers to Quill are temporary as of right now until the option orders commended. JA is in line to get the new LFS' first.

It appears that Quill could now be in line for some Xcelsiors. It is still unclear at this time where all 20 of the XDE40/60 hybrid test pilots will go. I'm being told they will all be in Manhattan and assignments are not in stone. However, preliminary word is MQ and MV could split the XDE40's or MV get all of them, and the XDE60's to MQ and/or possibly OF. Again the only thing I'm hearing is final is they will all be in Manhattan. EN would be the only candidate from another borough.

I am also being told these buses will have regular fleet numbers as they will be out pilot buses for the next hybrid order for 200 standard buses. Preliminarily we are looking at 6906-6910, but this could change. The first bus or two should now be complete with a handover scheduled for February. 

On 12/11/2017 at 2:18 PM, Cait Sith said:

It's spec'd the exact same as the rest of the 2015 order, nothing special.

Option order starts at 7484(allegedly). There's gotta be some sort of story behind this one. It was built in August of 2015.

7483 is a replacement bus that we are just now getting. It is in fact a 2015 unit spec'd as Cait Sith mentioned. The option order will now start at 7484 from what I am being told.

Lots of temp moves with this snow so you guys will see buses all over the place this weekend. Bus company is doing Majority of the A shuttle this weekend. Even EC is in on it. I've only seen 4 buses from transit, and every depot from Bus is in the Rockaways.

BP has some NG and OG loans for the Brewer lines. 

It is finally December ladies and gents. That means we have big news coming in fleet transfers and new deliveries. I should be back to normal with things this week. We now have pending delivery schedules for BE40, LFSA, XD40 options, XDE40, XE40, and XN60 fleets. 

Due immediately are BE40, LFSA, XE40, and XD40 pilots. Followed by XDE40 pilots. 

7483 is the lead bus off the option order, and is set to go to Flatbush, with deployment of all buses to the depot’s I stated a few months ago, with the exception of Quill, as they will now get XDE40’s.  

11 hours ago, KingNas said:

When do you guys suppose that the b35 will be changed to articulate ?

When the production buses are delivered.

1 hour ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

Whatever happened to that Nova order that had 5439?  Did they lose the contract or what?  

No, it's just delayed. MTA made a couple spec changes and the last time I checked the wrap wasn't perfected yet. Even though the first bus has not gone into service, MTA has already awarded Nova an option for an additional 72 production buses. 

New fleet number update:

Base 5439-5530 2018 delivery, pilots due any day now.

Options 5531-5766 delivery completion 2019.

20 hours ago, Novabus 5000 said:

 

Nope. Currently at JFK. Units do get rotated until the service starts but as of right now, they only have 6036 and 6042. 

Well when I was at FR it was in the lot... I didn't see if it moved since then but I saw parked along the back gate personally when I was at the Depot. That's why I said to the "pool," not to the Depot.

6030 to FR pool

6101 GH to GA

5566, 5588, 5720, 5721, 6035, and yes 6102 to Quill.

6082 to LG if not mentioned.

5188, and 5190 are now assigned to GA.

5987 now assigned to OH and will be back in NYC from the vendor in short order. 

For the question about why is 6088 at CS. None of the depots have all the buses they will eventually be assigned. Some will be shifted. 6088 is actually an OH bus, and 5987 is actually a CS bus. All Bus Company assigned buses will go back to NYCT. Anything can happen in the meanwhile because assignments don't really need to be finalized untill all the MTA Bus batch goes back to Transit. 

When 6126-6178 come, in the assignments will go back to what they are supposed to be. 

52 minutes ago, James Goodwin said:

While we're on the subject, does anyone know how many buses remain in the system with blackbacks? I know it's all RTS's at this point, for everything else from that era had either been repainted or retired.

I think the fellas keep a record of that in the Repaited/Wrapped buses thread. And if I am not mistaken there are 1 or 2 Bus Co. OG hybrids with black backs. Not sure if they were reported it not. I know I saw one in Brooklyn on the Q35, but that was last summer I think.

Note: As I mentioned the transfers to Far Rock earlier, I want to let everyone know that they are actively reconstructing much of the Depot and therefore decided it was time to start some training out of Far for the Q52 which will now  run out of both FR and JK. However, FR still DOES NOT have an active fleet roster and all buses are assigned to JK. As far as the Q70, that is just one of about 15 routes under evaluation for articulated buses. As of now, evaluation of the B46 is still sketchy and the route really only needs them during rush periods. The Bx6 will now only be converted to Artic ops if service levels pick up.

For those that didn't know JK/FR now have 6112, 6114, 6120, 6122, and 6124. It is still unclear as to exactly when FR will go back on line and have an active roster. Speculation has it as early 2018.

1 hour ago, Around the Horn said:

A friend of mine saw four MTA Bus lettered RTS's on Utica Av this evening. They couldn't get the fleet numbers but that sounds like more 5100's to Flatbush...

Don't forget that Flatbush has several 5100's with MTA Bus titles that haven't been to Bus in quite a while. Example 5126 has Bus titles and still has a Black background as well. Hasn't seen Bus Co. Service at all in 2017.

On 10/26/2017 at 6:43 PM, Future ENY OP said:

I can only guess that the fareboxes with bus company are a bit different from NYCT? 

NYCT, MTAB, BeeLine and NICE all have NYCT spec fareboxes with different programming. So when buses transferred between TA and BC the boxes have to be swapped. When the new fare payment system ramps up in 2019 the programs will be merged together and any bus can be loaned to a Depot at anytime, or transferred without the need to swap fareboxes or program destination signs.

On 10/26/2017 at 11:18 PM, GojiMet86 said:

5080-5104 are 1998 units.

 

5105-5249 are 1999 units.

 

Sources: TTMG roster & CPTDB wiki

On 10/27/2017 at 12:26 AM, MysteriousBtrain said:

 

4900-4901 are 1998 units based off the 9000's from 1998.

4902-5079 are "new" 1998 units.

5080-5104 are 1998 units built in 1999.

5105-5249 are 1999 units.

Correct gentlemen. 

NOTE: 4900-5249 are all 1999 "model year."

Reverse Example. 1016-1125 will ALL be 2018 XN60's even rough 1016-1020 are all 2017 builds. 

MHV is a hybrid only Depot, and will only have other buses as loans. 

Transfers:

5372, 6042, 6124 to FR

Note: 1016-1125 are all 2018 models. JG's unit should be ready in short order.

12 hours ago, paulrivera said:

The could always ask Kawasaki or Alstom to reopen the R160 assembly line, kinda like how they (along with Connecticut) asked Kawasaki to reopen the Metro-North M8 assembly line last year.

Although with Kawasaki in particular being busy with other orders and the R160 assembly line's been closed for over almost 10 years now, even that would take a couple of years, but by the time the cars get delivered there *I would think* there wouldn't be all that much prolonged testing that new models would get.

That would be my suggestion, but they would have to ramp up and that would take at least a year. New contracts would have to be drawn, it would be a R2XX contract which would be wired since the 211's come after. But that's still  probably better than the option we have now. 

4 hours ago, Novabus 5000 said:

 

It didn't make it out there very long. Bus road called around 4AM

Yeah I see! Smh..... There are a few more out here now. I'm in Far Rock.