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I’m going to post the redeployments here, as well as in Fleet & Depots. The first page of that thread is about 90% updated. Fleet numbers for the following depots are coming, but in the meanwhile:
XD40
61 to JA
43 to MQ
54 to EN
65 to FP
35 to GA
48 delivered to FB
21 to WF (Permanently for the time being)
40 to UP.
*As for the LFSA’s, Quill will still get the last 36.
*For the XD60’s, we are back to the original assignment with the first 6 still scheduled for delivery to Hale this month. Flatbush is scheduled to get it’s first 10 next month.
*8508 is in on the LFS side. Queensvillage followed by Yukon, will begin to take delivery in short order.
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Coming this evening:
XE60, and new hybrid overview.
NYCT/MTAB System merger updates.
New Fare Payment updates, and the now pending pilot program.
Post L-Train depot assignments, which are complete for now.
Major 1st page Tite Post updates.
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On 1/27/2019 at 2:01 PM, Brillant93 said:
question about the electric Artics. I know you said as the demand for electric buses grow in North America the prices will go down but if the MTA is looking to be all electric in 20 years would that make the MTA spend more money on buses whether it be 40 or 60 footer on tech that isn’t proven much on NYC streets? I know our electric buses are still in testing phase but it would cost over 1 mil for an artic electric bus I think that’s a risky investment for our agency because one there isn’t much gurrantee that these buses will be affordable in 20 years and two it’s just only something in testing phase it’s not proven yet.
Sorry if my question isn’t clear.
That’s why we have a test fleet of 10. Then a production fleet of 60 will follow. 3 years is long enough to test the technology for extensive evaluation purposes. Other agencies have electric buses, so preliminary life-cycle evaluations have taken place. You have to start somewhere. It’s not that risky because it’s not that many buses and as mentioned, the feds are paying for most of it anyway. Not only that, but that’s what warranties are for.
On 1/27/2019 at 7:19 PM, Brillant93 said:Oh okay. I was just wondering because I know electric buses and even artics are still developing tech. To me I feel that I would be smarter to invest in XDE60s until the MTA can fully trust electric vehicles.
Electric buses are still developing and maturing, but articulated buses are not. They are just longer versions as any artic is. Both the Proterra and NFI Electric buses passed Altoona Testing back in 2015.
On 1/28/2019 at 3:18 AM, FLX9304 said:Well the XE60s are 15 of the 60 bus order. If 0011 was sent back to NF, that means that it might come back as a different number for its order. Since I’m seeing that Proterras are having some issues
No. 0011 and it’s status has been discussed several times. Please go back a page or two and rewiew the winter updates.
15 hours ago, FLX9304 said:Actually, I was the one who said the 15 order XE60s. You said, 60 all 40 ftrs. It’s what the statement above said: 45/15 next year
No, the artics are coming this year. Again, please review the fleet updates.
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7 hours ago, King Transit said:
#6123 and #6125 were said to be at ENY in 2020, so these(XD60s) may go back to my work depot after training at FB before transferring to ENY for the B82 +SBS
Yes, these are training buses for 1, and for 2, they could technically go to EN as soon as the depot mods are complete since there is no L train shuttle now. As I said, we have to await the new assignments. Anything could go anywhere right now.
In addition to that, this is not the place for side discussions on the fleet. Those belong in the Fleet & Depot threads.
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On 1/22/2019 at 1:08 PM, Calvin said:
Not to go off-topic but was there a note that the Q52/53 SBS are getting extra XD-60s for service accommodation?
Check the first page of this thread. Outside of a few changes that I need to make, details to add, and assignments to change, most everything else is the same and always current.
On 1/22/2019 at 10:52 PM, Melbx15 said:Wasn’t the Oder supposed to be 6126 - 6286 are they not replacing the woodhaven blvd sbs fleet nomore ?
Check the first page.
11 hours ago, limitednyc said:now that in seems that the L shutdown is off, when will the the last rts be retired?
The entire fleet has to be audited, and when we know it will be posted.
11 hours ago, Brillant93 said:I’m assuming it will be soon enough. They’re trying to get these older buses out so I guess wait till the end of this year to see what is left.
They, as in MTA are not trying to get rid of them. Cuomo is.
1 hour ago, IAlam said:I can understand a couple drops from the emergency exit but the first bus this happened to me it was like it was pouring from the roof. That to me is unacceptable HAVC or not, there is no reason a constant flow of water to be falling off the roof from a bus. If I need an umbrella to ride inside a bus then it is just plain unacceptable.
That’s likely only going to happen on the models at EN and UP that have the “Sunroof Hatches.”
Buses are put together by hand, so this is going to happen to an odd bus here and there where it may leak more than others. It aldepends on how things are sealed up on the assembly line. However, not one bus ever made has not suffered from this problem.
Another note is that roof hatches especially need to be replaced every 6 years. I have this issue myself where mine leak really bad in heavy downpours. Another factor is the manufacturers of roof hatches, window seals, and HVAC units and wiring. Some are more reliable than others.
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6128 is on its way to the city for registration, and configuration testing. (Transit)
6234 is on the assembly line. (Bus)
Lots of assignments are changing. L train cancellation reassignments, and the status of Hale and Flatbush’s delivery schedule and assignment.
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2019 Annual Fleet Review and Major Updates. January 21, 2019
*AEB (All-electric bus) Program. As many who have been keeping up may know, MTA is in the process of a transition to all all-electric bus fleet by 2040. In accordance with this effort, The TA leased 10 standard 40 foot electric buses for a 3 year extensive test and evaluation program. The program will soon enter its 3rd and final year of testing. The evaluation will start to wrap up at then end of this year.
Preliminarily, New Flyer is the current front runner of the competition, and has now been approved as a manufacturer of Electric Buses for MTA. This final yes will test further processes and logistics for where future AEB’s will be deployed. Approximately 2 months ago NFI XE40 #0011 made the trip down to the New Flyer Alabama facility for audit preparation services. I have now been able to confirm that 0011 will now serve as the pilot and configuration audit bus for our first ever electric bus order which will be awarded tomorrow, January 22, 2019. By this time next year MTA should be in the secession process for the first 45 standard electric buses.
At this time, the Proterra buses have passed all initial qualification testing with the exception of the Deceleration (Brake) Testing. Proterra is working with TA Grand Av. Engineering for a solution to this issue by the time qualification testing wraps up at the end of the year.
*ABE Articulated Program. 4 Manufacturers were sought out for planning and potential for the future of the articulated fleet, which like its local 40 foot counterparts will all be replaced by electric buses. At the time of acceptance of all proposals or feedback, it was determined that BYD will work to officially enter the Electric Bus Test and Evaluation Program with both 40 foot and 60 foot models in the not too distant future. NovaBus has not completed its electric artic program and cannot provide buses in the near future. Proterra does not offer an articulated model at this time.
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New York City Transit Authority.
Contract #40640 for the manufacture, furnish, and delivery of 15 New Flyer XE60 articulated electric buses 1110-1124.
These articulated electric buses will serve as the first next generation production order. At a price of $1,338,500 each, we are now able to see the prices of electric buses coming down as the demand begins to pick up across North America.
Now let’s get into the details!
In an effort to accelerate delivery, as well as expand test and evaluation efforts, this order will be very unique, and will not have a pilot bus. As I mentioned a couple months ago, #0011 will serve as a makeshift pilot and configuration audit bus as it is basically the same vehicle with a few changes. 0011 is one at the Alabama facility which is where our buses will be manufactured. The Lead Bus is scheduled for delivery in September, where it will complete 2 months of burn-in testing. At the same time the next couple buses will begin production, and delivery will begin in November. If there needs to be any changes, unlike previous orders MTA and NFI will work to incorporate all of them into the line in order to have all buses delivered by January 2020.
This summer in July, NFI and MTA will install 16 in depot chargers at the Manhattan Division Headquarers, Mike J. Quill depot. The majority of these XE60 buses will operate along the M14 line. A couple of these buses will operate all different types of duty cycles in all 5 boroughs. Yes ladies and gentleman, that means Staten Island as well! MTA will also purchase 1 mobile charging unit to support the buses testing in the outer boroughs, or basically any areas a significant distance away from 42nd Street.
The current (leased) in-route charging systems at the M42 terminals, will also be able to support charging of the articulated buses if and when needed.
This will be a very extensive and rigorous test program and I will be following this one at every turn. We will have more details tomorrow. Or later this afternoon by the time this actually posts.
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Contract #40666 for the manufacture furnish and delivery of 275 Diesel-Electric Hybrid Buses 9510-9784.
MTA will seek board approval for an RFP Authorizing competitive bidding to be impractical, and inappropriate for this upcoming award.
At this time there are 2 qualified manufactures to build hybrid buses for MTA. New Flyer, and NovaBus. To date, MTA deemed the delivery schedule of the Nova offering was not favorable, and the price of each Nova was significantly higher than that of New Flyer, and subsequently awarded them an order for 10 hybrid pilot buses.
It is now time for MTA to plan the next (outside of MTA Bus company) what may very well be the last hybrid order ever.
Because this will not be the standard competitive contract, MTA would like to split the award from what I am being told. They will in fact state in the contract that are open to a split and it wil boil down to evaluation criteria, and the Best And Final offer. MTA could also further split this award between hybrid system manufacturing firms, Allison and BAE.
Final design selection will begin immediately when everyone goes back to work this week. Nova could possibly get up to 110 buses out of this order. Exactly 1 year from now MTA plans to award this contract, with delivery to begin Q3 2020.
As of right now, potential deployment for these buses are as follows:
East New York, Flatbush, Fresh Pond, Grand Avenue, Gun Hill, Jamaica, Kingsbridge, Qill, Manhattanville, Hale, Tuskegee, Queensvillage, and Ulmer Park Depots.
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Pending Delivery status of current awards.
LFS Options (8504-8754) - Production delivery is now pending and buses are scheduled to begin arriving in February. All buses are planned for delivery to Kingsbridge, Gun Hill, Queensvillage and Yukon depots.
LFSA Options (5531-5602) - Balance of buses to be delivered to MQ in standard local scheme. The final disposition of the buses may change as the
Train status updates.
XD40 Options (7484-7850) - Delivery of this buses is now underway, however the assignments are and have been fly by wire. As of right now, some assignments are permanent, but many are not. 88 of the buses were planned for
Train, and as of right now they will have to be reassigned. At this point because of deployment being up in the air, it is possible for West Farms to keep at least 8 of these buses in the future. They currently have 20, and some of these assignments may not be so temporary as we once thought. As this develops this week, we try to shed more light on the situation.
XD60 Options (6126-6233) - Delivery now pending, and I am being told the planned SBS assignments are as folllows.
6126-6176 (51) to Hale
6177-6233 (57) to Flatbush
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Express Bus Award for MTA Bus pending May 2019. Details coming soon.
As always, any and all information subject to change without notice.
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@Future ENY OP A split of both routes can be done with no changes at all. Grand and EN have the largest depots in the borough. EN could easily take on a bit more work if a split was done. The have 2 annex lots as well.
As far as control, ENY is and likely always will be Surface Transit Headquartes. Especially with the brand new Bus Command Center that was recently built. They have the most pull in the city followed by Quill. They have historically always got what they wanted. The got pics of RTS fleets from the very first buses, and they get pics on current fleets now as well.
Originally EN was gonna get the XDE40’s and a batch of electric buses. However, Grand Avenue is now Bus Engineering Headquarters, so it makes since to have the Electric test buses, and the hybrid pilots operate out of Grand.
Complete fleet and depot review, along with a first page update coming this afternoon. It was delayed a bit so I could have time to completely review the Electric Artic contract, which will be awarded to New Flyer tomorrow for the XE60.
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Ok before I post what I am about to below, this will be the absolute last time I ask Veteran members to PLEASE NOT have full discussions about ANYTHING other than Moves and Transfers. This is why we have no many double posts on moved. This is not the place for it and that’s the sole purpose of the Fleet & Depots thread. After today if you are not a new member/user and post in that thread, it will be deleted immediately with no warning and no questions asked. Please, and thank you all very much.
New memebers, I will just move the post and let them know this is not a place for detailed fleet discussions. After I move all these posts out of this thread later on today, that’s the last time I will mention it. So if one day you look up and your post is gone you know why.
On 1/19/2019 at 10:34 AM, trainfan22 said:The B35 is still using only XN60s, was hoping JG would get loaned some RTS or Hybrids, oh well.
Naw, there were a few extra 40’s out on the road. Remember 4 regular runs are 40 foot runs as well. The whole line isn’t artic.
On 1/19/2019 at 1:06 PM, The TransitMan said:Flatbush and Casey Stengel are still running artics on the B44 and Q44 SBS.
Flatbush had quite a few of the XD40’s on the 44+
3 hours ago, WestFarms36 said:Its not possible for NYCT Buses to have MTA Bus codes, because their codes overlap. (e.g. the M14A Code in NYCT is the Q114 Code for MTA Bus)
It is actually possible. Some of the codes just have to be changed. That day is already on the horizon and when the new fareboxes and radios one in the codes will be revised, and any bus can be loaned or transferred at anytime.
On 1/19/2019 at 10:25 PM, aemoreira81 said:Not a move post, BUT, in my opinion, this is why 7615-7684 should have MTA Bus SBS codes in them...especially 7663-7684. JFK Depot was very quick to pull the artics off the Q52 SBS; by 3 PM, all artics were off the road, but because the rigids had chains, buses were delayed only able to go 20-25 down Cross Bay (with a posted and governed speed limit of 40). 7663-84 could have had buses loaned to JFK today for use on the Q52 to start the day to keep the artics off the road.
It’s nowhere as simple as just adding codes. The fareboxes and the radios have to be swapped out as well. The codes are the least of the issues here. Note what I mentioned above. What you are talking about was addressed about 3 years ago and the post-merger MTA will be able to do this. It’s just not possible right now.
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30 minutes ago, EastFlatbushLarry said:
i mean, TECHNICALLY pull ins & pull outs could be done via a Flatbush Avenue - Kings Hwy short-sign (and reliefs at the same intersection.. the B7 for many years did both at that intersection when it ran out of FB) yet i truly don't ever forsee DOB basically chopping the 82SBS (or even the local 82 for that matter) in half at Flatbush avenue. Flatbush for sure would lose the B2 & B31 without a doubt.
That’s just doing waaay too much tho my man. That doesn’t make sense logistically. The 6 and 82+ however need to and should be split out of EN and UP.
44 minutes ago, Future ENY OP said:That is a copy good sir. To my guess and assumption that the XDE order is a no-go right now.
Yikes, that's a shocker right there. So were talking at least 24 mos from now EN could be artic ready?
That was a typo. XE60’s are now confirmed for Quill. ENY for the most part is already artic ready, however the inside of the depot is being redesigned a bit to accommodate them and won’t be ready till next summer.
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14 hours ago, limitednyc said:
the 47 xd60's that are comming this year will do that by converting the 48 xd40's from the b46sbs
57 XD60’s are going to FB. And the B46SBS is only going to be partially converted. Mainly during rush period.
14 hours ago, Future ENY OP said:Everything with the
is subject to change. 12-18 months from now those buses 6109-6125 may end up staying in Manhattan and East New York receiving a new batch of XD60's or hopefully XDE60's. MCH and FB artics are on the way since the shuttle is a no-go.
On 1/19/2019 at 4:28 PM, JeremiahC99 said:2018-19 New Flyer XD60 (57) Numbers to be determined for B44+ and B46+
The numbers have been determined for more than a year bro. You need to keep up with the first page.
@Future ENY OP There are no plans for a new artic order anytime soon other than the 15 XE60’s which are now confirmed for Quill. Numbers pending, but rumor has it they will be 1110-1124. It’s not even possible for EN to get brand new artics by next year. We haven’t even got the option buses. And delivery of those are now about 2-3 weeks from beginning.
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New Bus Assignment Review by depot as of 1/18/19 10:42pm
EN 7558, 7560, 7663-7684, 7686, 7687
FB 7615-7662
FP 7508-7519, 7706-7708, 7710, 7712, 7713
GA 7520-7530, 9500-9503, 9505, 9507-9509
GH 5468-5482, 5531-5538, 5540-5548, 5550, 5552, 5553
JA 7484, 7487-7507, 7557, 7559, 7561, 7562, 7567, 7572, 7686, 7689, 7691, 7693, 7699, 7701-7705
JG 1031, 1073-1109
MQ 5439-5467, 5483-5530, 7573-7592
UP 7531-7543, 7552-7556, 7563-7566
WF 1000-1015, 1021-1030, 1032-1072, 7544-7551, 7568-7571, 7685, 7692, 7694-7698, 7700
(Note XN60 production delivery now complete. Pilot delivery pending)
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As of right now the M14+ is on hold. Indefinitely.
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Full Winter fleet review coming up in Fleet & Depots this evening. Included will be Hybrid order details and preliminary assignments, along with an electric program update, XE60 confirmation, details, and assignments as well.
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6 hours ago, DueceDrives said:
40 footers can complete majority turns if you properly set yourself up and if the road is allowed-able. An artic bus has easy maneuvering due to the center of the bus that bends and thats where the pivot point. But on most turns you need more radius compared to a 40ft. You have to take consideration of the tail of the artic buses follows and if there’s not enough clearence, you will either clip something, someone or the center of the bus will lock up.
So on certain turns the 40ft can make it, where that 60-65 footers can’t and I can name a few local streets and areas.
This is true however there is the exception. All of this holds true for the Nova LFSA, however, the XD60 and D60HF/LF can actually make tighter turns than any 40 footer. The tailswing is just slightly greater.
Another fun fact of the day, the RTS actually has the widest turning radius among 40 footers, and for that reason rookies are most likely to get into accidents or not make wide enough turns with them.
The B35 is proof of this. That has to be the most narrow route with a few sharp turns than any other Artic route I can think of off my head.
Funny story, I was actually training an MTA vet (who only operated hybrids, C40’s and MCI’s) on an RTS a few months ago. A few turns he didn’t take wide enough until I said, “Tien like you are I’m an MCI!”
He nailed every turn after that. Lol
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Didn’t see it mentioned yet, but Orion VII renumbering has begun. 145 now being the first at WF along with 146 and 147 pending. I have to confirm which units they were.
5441 to MQ (if not mentioned)
I’m just coming back from holiday and birthday vacation so I have to catch up a bit guys. Major updates coming this weekend as well.
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On 1/9/2019 at 5:18 PM, XcelsiorBoii4888 said:
Gotcha, it's just so stupid how the base order of R211s are gonna be standard, and then options would have the open gangway. They should've down the real testing with this small order.
I wish I followed up on trains more often.
It’s not really stupid at all. MTA isn’t gonna order trains they haven’t tested so thats why there are 2 open-gangway test trains with the base order.
Not sure what you mean about “this small order” or what you are referring to.
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MTA plans to move forward with
Train upgrades without a full shutdown. This is the preliminary update documents with more to be discussed at next weeks committee meeting.
http://web.mta.info/mta/news/books/docs/Canarsie - Board Presentation 011519 1120 FINAL.pdf
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10 hours ago, DueceDrives said:
FB now receiving the XD60s with Quill patches on them. So far 6117, 6119 is about to go out on service on the 44
Those are maintenance and driver training buses pending delivery of the new XD60’s which ire now due in about 3 weeks or less. The buses are in audit now pending MTA approval.
I actually expected Hale to get u it’s first as they were originally scheduled for delivery in less than 60 days. I should have updated fleet plans, and official
Train updates in about 12 hours.
7 hours ago, DueceDrives said:Yes 6119 is on the 44 right now. After it got fueled up and washed I was trying to see if anything new was changed compared to the new xd40s.
Those aren’t new buses lol. The new XD60’s will be more like the 7484+ batch.
6126+ will be the new buses.
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1 hour ago, UTC Bus Roster said:
4946, 4997 & 5134 are missing from your roster. I have them at GA.
46 and 97 are still at GA, 5134 is at JA.
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Now that 1000 is at WF 1072 will be unwrapped and send to Gleason.
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4 hours ago, TransitMan0251 said:
1000 was delivered. And yes, you are correct about 5500, it is at WSIDE.
36 minutes ago, BigJay0130 said:I am curious. I am hearing rumors from Upper management and other Bus Operators, that the upper echelon of MTA are talking about transferring the M60 SBS to LaGuardia Depot. Does anyone have some insight into this?
Please remember that this thread is only for moves and transfers. Please reserve general discussions for the Fleet & Depots thread.
That is only a rumor. If an when the entire operations are merged the only thing that would take place would be a split. Even though LG would be ideal, it’s way too early to even talk about that and as of right now there is no way on God’s green Earth TA would transfer the M60+ to Bus Co.
32 minutes ago, BigJay0130 said:Also I want to ask that, does anyone know any about the new shipment of New Flyer Artic's that LGA Depot is suppose to get and when its coming?
Please refer to the first page of Fleet & Depots for information on the current and upcoming fleet details, delivery schedules, and assignments.
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2 hours ago, Calvin said:
..It's part of the first page, where it says (currently in the "CUOMO" scheme).
Yes I get that, but as the buses are delivered and posted in the transfers thread, or the roster is updated, they are logged into the first page. No need to post them here because it’s already known what colors they are coming in.
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23 minutes ago, Calvin said:
7686, 7688, 7689, 7691 NEW with CUOMO scheme
Just out of curiosity, why are you posting this?
This thread is for repaints, rewrapped and unwrapped equipment.
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They aren’t bumps. We have been over all of this multiple times. Depots are simply getting what they would have gotten post L train, with the exception of West Farms, which originally would have had enough buses, but due to other reason and the fact that they decided to make the 6 local articulated, they need more buses in the meanwhile.
FB getting Quills artics makes absolutely no sense. Especially after we have discussed what’s going on anytime there is an update.
You answered the last question in your own statement...... That’s the only logical answer along with the M35 isn’t it?
Lets not start with the speculation and a million questions. Let’s just READ and wait. A lot of you are not reading or keeping up with what’s going on. That what the first page of this thread along with my regular updates are for.
They were always planned to come in local scheme but have SBS pain under them anyway. Just like all the XN60’s.