East New York

20 hours ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

Which should be fixed... Too many ghost buses. People are used to tracking their bus now. It makes life a lot easier.

It’s. It just a simple fix. There are tons of factors as to why a bus may not show up. We have 5,900 buses in the system. A fare box, a destination sign, a put-in, a mechanical malfunction, a hardware malfunction an improper installation, improper set-up a software issue, or even bad weather could cause a ghost bus. There are many different factors. Another common one is a brand new buses. It just hasn’t been uploaded yet. 

Less than 5% of the buses end up being ghosts. That’s an average of about 30 give or take. 

The BusTime GPS can only operate accurately if every system tied to it on the vehicle is functioning properly. It’s just not realistic to think it will work all the time. Human error is the cause most of the time. For example. I went out on a new New XD40 and later a new XDE40 out of Grand. Neither of them showed up. 

The XDE40 wasn’t even supposed to go out yet because it wasn’t set up properly in the system completely or properly. The XD40 didn’t show up because the farebox which had just come out of an RTS the night before wasn’t connected properly. 

Also remember that one change in Destination sign will remove a bus as well. If an operator forgets to change the destination on the farebox the bus will disappear.  

On 12/8/2018 at 4:56 PM, JeremiahC99 said:

Okay. What makes JFK and FR special that FR has to rotate buses from JFK rather than having a dedicated fleet to themselves? Is it because FR is a smaller depot that there is a daily fleet rotation there from JFK?

Far and JK are only an exception because of Sandy. The depot for the most part has been rebuilt. The structure is still the same but the depot has undergone extensive upgrades during the rehabilitation. 

There is only a rotation because the depot is not back to full operating status just yet. Even though there are buses assigned to the depot, the main roster has everything assigned to JK. 

The rehab is just about done. I would expect it to back to full status by summer. 

23 hours ago, Dannyboy876 said:

Where were they transferred from?

JFK Depot via FP

and 5546 to GH if not mentioned.

On 12/9/2018 at 10:37 AM, QM1to6Ave said:

Maybe things have changed, but back in '09 my friend nearly ruined her engine by putting in diesel at a diesel pump. We share a mechanic who confirmed it and laughed his a** off about it. The nozzles are different sizes, but she was in a rush, smashed the nozzle in far enough, and it worked. 

If you google "put diesel in gas engine" there are enough horror stories on there to suggest it is still an issue. 

No nothing changed. Pay attention to what I said in my post. Most modern day diesel pumps. That means now. If the vast majority of stations are still, or the the pump is old then yes. You also have to remember that there are several regular cars that take diesel fuel as well, so I’m sure it still happens to this day. 

In the case here, we are referring to buses, CNG, and diesel. Not regular fueling stations where you may have the problem you mentioned. It’s just not possible at MTA or on any heavy duty buses for that matter. The 2 aren’t compatible. You can’t mess that up. 

For reference, Quill now has 7573-7581, 7585-7591

On 12/8/2018 at 11:08 AM, Transbusfan said:

Huh ? LOL there most be a double or fleet view providing wrong location.. I can guaranty I saw it at GA CMF within the pass 8hrs and past your post time.. I know its assigned to Quill .

I’m not saying you were wrong at all at your time of post. There is a possibility that the GPS was at MQ and the bus was at GA. Even at my time of posting it is still a possibility. When I go back through the yard roster it’s not on GA’s or MQ’s for the 7th. Only assigned to MQ. 🤷🏾‍♂️

6 hours ago, Future ENY OP said:

Ah, gotchu @Cait Sith...

Just noticed that 2 UP buses at East New York. 7558, 7560. Those moves to ENY are temp or those going Ulmer Park bound in the near future.

I like you. You are a good guy. You contribute to the forums and you know your stuff. However, after reviewing your posts I’m seeing that you are one of the main people who are either not reading, or asking the same questions. Everything about the fleet has been answered. Sure things are always subject to change but nothing has been new for quite some time. We know assignments are just projected and nothing is final until after the L train is restored. Nothing has changed since then. Everything that is going on is and was expected. 

However, if you continue with these general fleet discussions in this thread I’m going to find you and strangle you for Christmas. (Just joking of course). Seriously tho, I haven’t been trying to publicly call anyone out but, this is far from your first time. Hit the + button that you would use to multi-quote, go over to the appropriate forum and reply there. 

As far as what’s going on with the XD40’s, Y’all are driving me crazy with these bus moves, all the speculation, and the questions. Although everything has been answered and has been according to what has been posted for a while now, that does not mean things may but change. Until then please keep up people. No one should be surprised about any XD40’s going to any random depots at this point. The only thing I need to update is the delivery schedule.

On 12/6/2018 at 11:17 PM, QM1to6Ave said:

Even with different nozzles, I know sone dumb dumbs who ruined their cars by pitting diesel in their combustion sedans lol

Not possible. Diesel and CNG pumps are “Dummy Proof”

You can’t put one in the other. Similar to how most modern diesel nossels and all high pressure diesel nossels are a bit too wide for gas tanks as well. 

On 12/7/2018 at 10:51 AM, KingNas said:

It CAN in fact go down as an accident. 

IF, you struck an object such as the sidewalk causing the rim to bend and then in turn causing the air to leak out. So yeah depending on the circumstances, it can be considered an accident. 

True. 

7 hours ago, Transbusfan said:

Its still at GA CMF repainted with the rear A/C cowl painted black...

It’s actually at Quill in the shop continuing its restoration to like-new status. 

1. As a reminder, we should not be having whole conversations in Moves and Transfers.

2. I’ve said 75 times at least that these XD40’s are going to be all over the place. 

ALL deliveries are to bolster fleets for the subway shuttles. In the process these buses can be used anywhere needed. You all need to keep up with the first page of the Fleet & Depots. For those who are keeping up, and those that ask the same questions over again, are confusing me. How many times do we have to go over the same things and you all act like you were never aware of any of it.

We have been going over all this for months on in. It should be quite obvious how things are going if you all READ. 

7 hours ago, Cait Sith said:

7557, 7558, 7559, 7562, 7563 are at the vendor waiting delivery to depots.

Unless anything changed, Quill is the last depot for regular fleet increases and all new XD40's coming in are for L train service. However, everyone please note that the depots that have them already will be getting more and may or may not be the actual buses planned for that depot when this is all done.

Again see the first page of Fleet & Depots to get a better understanding of the Xd40 fleet delivery. The lower section delivery schedule is being updated soon.

5 hours ago, XcelsiorBoii4888 said:

You didn't misread bro, earlier it said an entire borough was not included, referring to all of S.I,  and Yukon was NOT listed as a part of the delivery. He updated the list, and his post after. But yeah Yukon is back on track to receive 77. 

He sort of misread. I did edit the post, however Yukon was definitely listed on the first page for delivery as it has been for nearly a year now. That hasn't changed, and I posted that they would be getting them almost 6 months before we even saw the first bus. That was the only depot in SI that I had been able to confirm from the beginning.

4 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

So then when is the Q70 slated for new buses?

2022.

7 hours ago, King Transit said:

Speaking of that, I've never thought about before was the 2015-16 LFS Yukon has. These buses should've turned +SBS units to knock out the NGs to local. 

 

We've talked about this multiple times actually. MTA wants ALL older buses off of SBS service. All SBS running older buses will be replaced by the buses in the new "Cuomo scheme"  as everyone calls it. Thats why Yukon is now the only SI depot getting them.

I will go over all the updates, changes, and the fleet review later today. 

Please check the first page of this thread as it has been updated extensively. The new delivery schedule will be complete later this afternoon as well. Please note the XD40 assignments have been updated, and special notes have been added. The operational delivery will be complete in December. All depots accept Quill and West Farms (their assignments are now posted) have received all the buses they will be allotted until spring 2019, when Jamaica Depot resumes delivery. 

As Quill and WF are wrapping up preliminary delivery, we will now begin delivery of  shuttle buses immediately. 

Please note that the assignments for the new LFS options have changed yet again, and with the acception of one depot, an entire borough has been removed from that roster. 🧐 I am awaiting details on the reasons for the changes now. Please hold your questions until I am able to gather more information. 

Because the XDE60 order plans were scrapped, and we will not have articulated electric buses (XE60) delivered in time for  service, MTA has decided to divert 47 of Flatbush's 57 new XD60's to MQ Depot for the M14+ and  Train Shuttle. Flatbush will however get 10 in the meanwhile which may or may not be used for expansion. The could displace 10 LFSA's or be implemented on the B46+. I am still waiting on the details of this as this develops.

As far as the new LFSA's go, someone dropped the ball. We should have an addition 11 buses (which are already built) on property by the end of the week, but they are working overtime to change numbers in system and on the D60's. Gun Hill is supposed to wrap up delivery in December, and  shuttle bus delivery will also commence simultaneously.

The current Shuttle dedicated fleet of 171 buses is as follows:

New Flyer XD40 7763-7850 (88)

New Flyer XD60 47 buses out of the 6126-6233 batch (47)

NovaBus LFSA 5567-5602 (36)

On 11/20/2018 at 7:35 PM, DueceDrives said:

These RTS 😣 Whats the deal with FB still holding onto a few batch?..

They are still needed and will be through 2019. You guys have more than a few lol. Almost a quarter of the FB fleet is still RTS. 

On 11/24/2018 at 8:07 AM, JFK Depot said:

smh MCH just keeps getting the short end of the stick smh

1200s are seriously beat up... must come off the M15SBS like yesterday 

No, they aren't getting the short end of the stick. Delivery is only about 2 months later than the original plans. 

On 11/24/2018 at 10:47 AM, Brillant93 said:

Moving this over here. 

I'm assuming the new artic shake up has to do with the new LFSA not being able to make it here in nyc before the L train shutdown, i'm assuming.

I'm quite bummed out myself because the B46 sbs needs artics because it often gets packed before it completes its route. But it is what it is. 

No. This is included in addition to the LFSA's which will be here in time. The delivery schedule hasn't changed. The B46 wasn't going to get artics anytime soon anyway. The B44+ fleet has to be replaced first, or at least increased by 10 buses first.

On 11/24/2018 at 11:08 AM, JeremiahC99 said:

I agree too. I’ve seen the B46 SBS crowds in both directions and it is really crowded between Church Avenue and Eastern Pkwy, and possibly down to Fulton Street, and I’ve seen this every day commuting to and from school. Honestly, they should’ve had articulated buses a long time ago by either siphoning a piece of it off the previous D60HF orders in the 2000s or putting in another order of artics for FB, but as you said, it is what it is. Now the XD60 order for FB, and the dream of artics on the B46, will have to wait even longer.

And speaking of XD60s for Flatbush, I want to ask something here. Let’s say that in the near future, the B41 and the B44 Local also get converted to Artic ops. The B41 has two terminals, one to Kings Plaza Mall, and another to Bergen Beach. Taking that into account, what is the maximum amount of buses needed to cover service on each route between the hours of 5:00 AM to 1:00 AM every day, and how many articulated buses would be used to accommodate that level of service during that same time period?

Lets not even discuss any of this yet, because the B44 isn't going artic anytime soon and most likely not as all. As far as the B41, let's just wait till we at least start the public study on it. That is still a long way off.

On 11/24/2018 at 2:48 PM, Orion6025 said:

<<Referring to ENY's most recent post in Moves & Transfers about the XD60 delivery. Idk how to quote between topics so...>>

With the change in artic order assignments and the delivery schedule as posted in Moves & Transfers, could this mean a life extension for the D60s? Assuming that the L Train Shuttle units are purely for expansion to facilitate local and shuttling services, as well as the old timeline of spring 2019 for D60 retirement, only 36 buses (LFS-A due for Gun Hill) will be coming in as replacement units. Since we have 70something D60s, those ~~40 LFSA will leave 30something D60s left until then the next replacement order arrives, which would be the Flatbush XD60s in November 2019...

Or am I missing something here?

Yes, the retirement of the D60's was pushed back, however this change has been in effect all year. We will be down to 74 by the end of next month. They will be used through 2019, and all will retire next year. Yep, you are missing definitely missing something lol. I think you and everyone are forgetting the fact that we have 48 XD60's due to start returning from Bus Company next year as well. These buses actually belong mostly to OH Depot, which has 14 D60's.

The 1200's will start to displace them as well when Hale begins delivery of their first 32 XD60's starting next summer.  

23 hours ago, XcelsiorBoii4888 said:

I don't get why the L shuttle needs all these new buses. Wouldn't it make sense to give depots whatever they need, and then use all the left over buses for the shuttle? There's gonna be buses from ALL over the system being used, and the spare factor shouldn't be a problem since there's gonna be so much coverage. All these temporary assignments are dumb, unless the MTA is trying to give L riders new buses in accommodation for the shutdown. 

No that wouldn't make sense at all to use left-over buses, and that would defeat the whole purpose of ehat the MTA is trying to do right now. We have been talking about this for quite sometime. The shuttle will last at least 18 months, and MTA has decided they want the majority of the buses to be new. They aren't needed elsewhere immediately. You all want new buses at Hale and Flatbush, but service is not going to suffer if this is delayed until the shuttle is over. No one is getting all that they are supposed to at the moment. The only fleets to be completely replaced with the needed buses are CS and FB. Everyone else has to wait for the rest of their buses.

Updates coming later today in Fleet & Depots. Please remember to go into detailed discussions, or ask questions about moves and transfers in that thread, and thank you all for being conscious of that. 

In the meanwhile, West Farms XD40 assignments are no longer temporary, and they will now be getting at least 8 the foreseeable future. They will likely another depot at some point. WF is likely going to operate on the Shuttle with any of its newer buses when needed. The last 88 buses remain unassigned at this time, and many of them will go to Depots that already operate them.  

The new XD60’s (47 of them) are being diverted from Flatbush to Quill for L train. Hale will be delayed and is not expected take delivery of a training bus until about June 2019, and delivery of its first buses in July. 

Flatbush will begin delivery one year from now in November 2019.

17 hours ago, FLX9304 said:

 

9140-9149 Cummins 11 ✅

M11E to be exact. 😃 I liked them, but maintenance on Cummins equipped RTS' can be a headache, and ultimately the DD lasts longer, and costs less to maintain. I had a feeling that would be the first and last batch, and it definitely was. 

25 minutes ago, RR503 said:

Logically, the 211s should go to lines in descending order of dwell time at their busiest stops. Their wider doors and enhanced customer information systems are frankly a game changer; they can arm commuters with info before they get to the station (minimizing delay-causing confusion) while facilitating the entry/exit process in general. So basically, send them to  first. 

RTO basing the assignments on the equipment that needs to be replaced, and the priority lines are the  and . Nothing else really matters seeing as one day all 75 foot cars will be replaced by 60 foot cars. 

The  and  are the only ones you mentioned that have 60 foot cars already, and could see a slight decrease in dwell times with wider doors. However on the other hand, dwell times will slightly increase on all the other lines you mentioned because they are being replaced by smaller cars with roughly the same sized doors.   

On 6/9/2018 at 8:41 AM, KK 6 Ave Local said:

I wonder what lines those R211s will run on...

Obviously it's too early for that but I'm curious

 , and  have been confirmed.  and  will be up next.

On 11/6/2018 at 6:44 PM, R68OnBroadway said:

So we may end up with only 20 while other cities have had this technology for nearly 10 years? How long will it take until we learn that we need to catch up?

They are only test cars and the options can be converted to OG if requested. MTA never has, and likely never will buy anything in bulk they haven't tested extensively.

On 11/6/2018 at 7:23 PM, R68OnBroadway said:

So the numbers would be like this?

SIR - 75

No OG - about 600 cars

With OG - about 900 cars

We won't know until the OG train undergoes testing. 

On 11/11/2018 at 4:29 PM, Around the Horn said:

Does anyone know if the ten car set will have to do a 30 day passenger service test or will it just do burn in like the production cars?

It's the same train, just a different number of cars. They only have to burn in. 

On 11/11/2018 at 4:36 PM, NoHacksJustKhaks said:

I don't think anyone knows for now... Personally, I'd prefer burn in since the individual R179 cars themselves have already been in service for a while now. But again, we'll have to see once future time comes closer.

This is the standard norm. Anyone in RTO would actually know this. 

17 minutes ago, Just New York said:

Definitely was longer then a fleet shortage some never went back to ENY, power trip is crazy on here lol.

That is definitely NOT true. They ALL went back. You didn't even have your numbers correct of the actual loaners. Since I am East New York, (name given to me by MTA personnel) I've been all through that depot more than 200 times since they all went back. 

Since the MTA central roster only goes back 5 years I cant check a digital copy beyond that. I do however have hard copies dating back to 1981, and prove you to be wrong. Power trip? Not at all. You just think you know it all and you don't. This wouldn't be the first time you challenged me here without your facts. Can I see some receipts please? I surely have plenty. 🤔

You also may want to check the historic rosters here as well. I just looked through them, and my hard copies just to double check that I'm not pushing false information and realize they ALL paint a picture that matches my words 100%.....

Brush up on your MTA history please before you come for me. 

-Next Bus Please

22 hours ago, Just New York said:

The 86xx did leave ENY for UP, MJQ’s never left.

No they didn't. They were loaners, and that is all.  UP was going through a fleet shortage, so for you to say that you rode them regularly may have been true but they were still ENY buses. EN also had several trippers and put-ins on FP and UP routes back then. They were NEVER permanently assigned to UP though. They had 23 loaners during the 2004 shortage, that lasted until rebuilds came back and things could rotate around. And it was 8671-8693 to be exact since you want to get all technical.

So you may need to actually check your facts sir. You tried that...... 🤨

15 hours ago, Just New York said:

http://gallery.bustalk.info/displayimage.php?pos=-16627

8611 on the Q35

 

http://gallery.bustalk.info/displayimage.php?pos=-19515

That is 8651 on the Q60 I remember that as well.

These don't count as I said and mentioned over the years. These were just bus company supplements as they were retired from Transit.

6 hours ago, FLX9304 said:

Since 9/7/1998. 8600-8639 originally the old OH before the depot closed for rebuilding. 8640-8670 originally Amsterdam before said date. 8671-8703 ENY since day 1. 8600-8670 combined assigned to Westside, the forerunner to the current Quill. All other RTS came and left said depot. IIRC, they was the only RTS buses with the same DD50 engine, never changed. Didn’t need to. 

You are almost spot on. Those were delivery loaners that were always meant for Quill (Westside at the time), very similar to how Bus got brand new loaner XD60's that are meant for Transit. 8600-8671 all went to 100 first. 8640-70 then later moved to AMS, then they all went home to Westside.

And yes every RTS from 8600+ came in with DDs50's, with the exception of the Cummins batch.

20 hours ago, trainfan22 said:

LGA briefly had 8600s before their retirement.

This is true as we have discussed this before, however the few only went to Bus because they were being retired out of TA. So technically this doesn't count. 

16 hours ago, MHV9218 said:

In defense of the rumor, the posted signs do say 9' (I believe) around the far sides of the lane. You could make a case that, as sticklers, only the O5s and RTSes really fit...

This is true, and this is the reason it was so easily implemented.

On 11/18/2018 at 12:31 AM, Melbx15 said:

It’s because the Central Park Transverse the M66 & M72  use require a certain height limit so only certain buses can fit 

Lord knows I probably shouldn't be saying this, but let's finally put the truth out there once and for all.

That was actually something Quill made up a long time ago. Quill and ENY have a love affair that dates back to first delivery.

The Governor said he wanted all the RTS gone a couple years ago. The TA started the retirement, but when Quill and ENY were up there was a major problem. ENY lost all of theirs, then told TA they needed them back or they couldn't promise reliable service, and went from 0 to 60 in 3 days. Quill told TA they couldn't afford to lose them because they were the only buses that could safely operate on the M66 and M72, as no new bus had been approved yet.  

Yeah.... Ok... I never commented on any of this till today because I am a die-hard RTS fan myself, so I just went along with all the grand legendary stories as well. I have just been amazed that for all these years the "height restriction" really worked seeing as express buses travel crosstown 7 days a week. lmao

And ENY not being able to make service if they don't have RTS'. That was even more funny that the M66/72! They basically said they need one on standby for every route in the depot. 😂

Or what about this one.... The best RTS fleet the city ever saw were arguably 8600-8703. They ended up being the ONLY non-specialized fleet (i.e CNG) in history to never be rotated through the city or even to 1 other depot.

EN and Quill got together and said "well this is the smallest batch of RTS buses we have gotten, so they need special attention." 

As an RTS fan, I find it hilarious that no one ever challenged any of these facts, and personally I'm glad no-one did. They would have been retired years ago. 

~Let that sink in.......

On 11/10/2018 at 9:06 PM, UTC Bus Roster said:

Please explain bus op. only unit

A swing bus is just for depot use, operator transport, or swing location bus. 4934 and 5000 are now “Swing Buses” out of ENY.

In additional I need everyone to read my last post in random thought. 

I need everyone to go read my last post in random thoughts immediately. 

On 11/16/2018 at 5:16 PM, Brillant93 said:

I’ve seen the pictures and my god how bad it was. They said they were equipped with all weathered tires but I don’t think they had much effect. On top of that would you say that nova artics don’t do well in the snow? 

As Cait said I’m general artics, should not be out in the snow. However there is a VERY little known fact that I will point out for the first time. 

New Flyer artics have 10 tires. 

Nova artics have 8 which provides for a much smoother ride and this will over all make the bus last longer. However, you couldn’t pay me to drive one in the snow. The center axel had 1 tire on each side that is wider than a standard tire. This automatically reduces traction to near 0. On turns, pulling in and out of stops is going to disable these twice as fast as a New Flyer which has a lot more rubber trying to contact the pavement. 

On 11/16/2018 at 8:07 PM, JeremiahC99 said:

Also first Cuomo-schemed bus to get in a REALLY BAD ACCIDENT and first bus in general to suffer MAJOR DAMAGE since 7430 was involved in last years collision in Flushing Chinatown. According to the daily news, here is the damage to the front:

And you would think that these LFSA "Smart" buses would be able to withstand frontal collisions after claiming to exceed APTA's White Book crash worthiness requirements, but I guess not. Looks like the Smart bus name was a little bit exaggerated. Time to redo the crash-worthiness test APTA.

Boy If you don’t sit your ass down somewhere! Like really? I’ve had it. You are getting out of hand, and what you are doing is considered slander. You are speaking on something which you know nothing of. Prelim reports say the frame is fine.

Excuse my language again everyone, but no one asked for your damn non-factor ass OPINION.  I however am a mechanic, Transit Consultant, bus owner and business owner. Leave this shit to us professionals please. You don’t even need to comment other than an apology to Novabus and APTA. How dare you. 

And in the words of the MTA, “It is under investigation.” 

Carry on and again, excuse my language but I’m done being nice and politically correct. Final warning. Suspension is next. And you will NOT be notified. 

As far as 9505 I’m sick and tired of those rumors too. Stop with the assumptions people. You all are NOT reading either. I commented on 5477 and 9505 in more than one thread. Who TF started the rumor it was totaled???? I’ve have pics forever, as in from the moment it happened. Several angles, day and night. I just decided to watch, read, take notes, to look at you people make shit up. It stops NOW! 

On 10/28/2018 at 10:28 PM, trainfan22 said:

Wow, I saw 9505 on the B38 on the tracker and could have rode it (me and that bus was in Downtown BK at the same time) but decided to ride a RTS on the B41 instead, don't regret it though as I enjoyed my RTS ride lol.

 

 

Hopefully 9506 exists and they can use that as the pilot bus for the BAE hybrid system instead.

9500-9504 are all Allison pilot buses, and 9505-9509 are all BAE Systems pilot buses. 

On 11/3/2018 at 3:57 PM, MysteriousBtrain said:

Just saw a picture. It's not scrapped. Just the front window and some of the right side damaged. And as I said before, not as major as 9505. 

Negative. The damage to 5477 is much more extensive than that of 9505. I don’t know where these widespread rumors about this bus have come about. The bus has minor damage. 5477 has major damage and is pending a frame inspection to determine its fate. As it appears the frame is not bent

On 11/3/2018 at 9:18 PM, MysteriousBtrain said:

5249 retired but preserved as a museum bus.

This is correct. 5249 is the last RTS Model designation T80-206 ever built. I’ve actually mentioned several times over the last decade that it would one day become a museum bus. I’ve been waiting about 20 years for this day as I knew it would happen before MTA did. The actually didn’t know it was the last -206 ever until I notified them of this some years back.