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9 hours ago, Kingsbridgeviewer382 said:

5993-5994 to Casey Stengel from LaGuardia.

7 hours ago, Calvin said:

6083 returned to Quill after spending the summer on the Q44-SBS at CS

Don't forget to look back a few days before you post fellas. The LG moves are over a week old, and 6083 went to MQ Monday night.

On 9/12/2018 at 7:26 AM, RR503 said:

See page 437 of the July financial plan (which, to be fair, is not the Nov. FP so is not binding yet).

Not saying you're wrong, just saying this bears more explanation...

That's definitely incorrect because the M14 SBS is nowhere to be found on it. What I stated was accurate, but everyone is reading into it too much. Some lines are already planned, others are proposed. Confirmation on some route numbers are also unconfirmed, yet the corridors are.

However, next up on the list are the B82, North Brooklyn, and North Shore routes. I never mentioned anything about a timeline other than what will not be happening through 2021. Since 2019 is knocking at the door, you only have real time to implement the B82, and the M14 which should have been on that list even at the time of printing. There's 2019 in a nutshell. In 2019 and 2020 we could see the introduction of North Shore and North Brooklyn if there are suitable designs by then. There is no timeline for those 2 routes because of the planning and design that still needs to be done, so I would understand why they would not show up anywhere on the books yet. Shortly thereafter, the  train will resume operation, buses will be redeployed and reassigned at that time, and MTA can then get back to the next routes up on the list.

On 9/12/2018 at 9:11 AM, P3F said:

Several weeks ago, there was a discussion about B44 select buses being scheduled for an hour between WBP and Knapp, but in reality taking about two hours to make the trip.

On 9/12/2018 at 10:00 AM, Around the Horn said:

That schedule was extremely hopeful in the first place...

I guess it depends on the time of day and other factors because It's been done, and I've seen it done all the time. This time of night the runtime is less than an hour. During rush it averages 1 hour 20 minutes, and is scheduled for approximately 1 hour 10 minutes

I've evaluated the route end to end and the most it ever took me with a major delay was 1 hour 32 minutes at rush. We were 24 minutes behind schedule.

On 9/12/2018 at 2:38 PM, Brillant93 said:

It’s quite odd that the Q10 isn’t on the planned routes for sbs. I think a queens link to jfk would work because it’s a straight forward route. 

Touching on the subject with why our buses are stuck in traffic especially here in nyc is because of our culture here. In other places where bus lanes are people often respect them more so than people here do. Whenever I tell people from other places that people here park in bus stops and lanes they are baffled because in places where they came from that is a direct tow. Here we have more so a corrupt culture when it comes down enforcement. NYPD won’t enforce bus lanes a much as they should and they even too park in them. People in nyc know they’ll get a slap on the wrist and this is also why fare envision is also high since the MTA won’t harsley punish those who do fare envade. So if sbs buses are just as slow as the limit is because our nypd won’t enforce the lanes. To add on Brooklyn is the most populated borough and we have certain communities that have a suburban mentality in populated dense areas. So you have a neighborhood not built around cars but the people who have families have about two to three cars per household there’s bound to be congestion. Then you have trucks and freight trucks delievering to businesses at sparetic times which leads to excessive double parking, especially in areas with lack of loading zones. 

Sorry to off topic but I just wanted to put my say into why our bus lanes aren’t enforced because it goes into much deeper than just no one is enforcing them. If we really want better sbs we have to change the culture in nyc. Our city wasn’t built around for cars. 

The Q10 doesn't need it until off-board payment is expanded systemwide. The Limited run is an average of 39-45 minutes at rush.

On 9/12/2018 at 7:55 PM, BrooklynBus said:

If a problem is ever going to be solved all the affected agencies have to learn to work together, not just blame each other. We should not be creating an new exclusive bus lanes if there is no intention to keep them clear. 

 

Very true, but when no one is willing to work together what do you do? It's the sole responsibility of the NYCDOT (which has not come up with an effective plan) to implement a plan with the help of the NYPD. MTA isn't an enforcement agency for anything other than SBS fare evasion.

On 9/13/2018 at 2:50 PM, Union Tpke said:

@East New YorkWill these changes be reflected in the STIP any time soon? Thanks.

That I do not know.

6 hours ago, Union Tpke said:

Is the Q66 SBS to Columbus Circle still planned?

NYCDOT X77307

NORTHERN BOULEVARD FLUSHING-MANHATTAN CORRIDOR SELECT BUS SERVICE FROM NORTHERN BOULEVARD AND MAIN STREET, IN QUEENS COUNTY TO COLUMBUS CIRCLE, MANHATTAN, NEW YORK COUNTY TO REDUCE TRAVEL TIMES AT BOTH COUNTIES

Thank you for pointing that out. Was an error on my behalf, and yes the Q66 is on that list.

On 9/4/2018 at 10:01 AM, Lawrence St said:

The M60SBS is worse.

I don't understand how there can be 2 buses arriving at the same time and then the next one is 35 minutes away. And this happens EVERY. SINGLE. DAY.

On 9/4/2018 at 10:21 AM, BrooklynBus said:

Exactly. The MTA would have you believe that something like that is totally out of their control and it is not. Bus travel in this city is too much of a crap shoot. Sometimes it works great, sometimes it's passable, and sometimes it is pure shit. 

If the MTA can ignore the fact that it routinely takes up to two hours when the schedule calls for only one hour (B44), something is very wrong in Denmark. Maybe we have the same problem with the M60. 

Worse yet, I heard Byford state that he doesn't believe you just add runtime when a bus can't meet its schedule. I guess he was saying you attack the problem  in other ways so that the bus can go faster. But until you can do that, you must change the schedule or the buses will always be delayed and proper service will be impossible. 

To a certain extent, part of it is actually out of there control. We have several issues at play here. The #1 issue is the traffic patterns. At certain times of the day it is quite common for buses to either catch up to each other or pass them all together. I have been evaluating the M60+ for 3 years now. One of my friends and a few other associates had that line regularly.

The second major issue is that the route timing needs to be adjusted. This is the root to all the other issues, and this is definitely something that can be blamed on the MTA. 

Not only have assignments for the XD40's changed, but so have the totals for some depots as well. Waiting on the new assignments now.

Gleason and WF may switch back to the second assignment as well for the XN60's.

14 hours ago, Brillant93 said:

So it must be sooner than we think. Even though they said they said they won’t have anymore sbs until 2021.

No they did not say that. Where do you guys keep getting this from??? Why are you all commenting and not even bothering to read. I've also talked about this route well before it even made black and white.

B38 is ONLY the placeholder for the route which as I have said a dozen times is supposed to be a new route fellas. Some of you are getting carried away with these questions about every little detail. 

18 hours ago, BrooklynBus said:

The MTA cannot continue to blame DOT for lack of enforcement of bus lanes with DOT blaming the NYPD. Travel times cannot continue to be twice what the schedule states if there is to be any semblance of reliability. 

Actually they can continue to blame both the DOT and the NYPD. it's not the job of the MTA to enforce bus lanes. The DOT and NYPD clearly are not doing anything which is a MAJOR problem citywide, but it's 10 times worse in Brooklyn.

I have no knowledge of any bus trips in the city being twice the scheduled run time..... Not only that, it's virtually impossible for 5,900 buses to always be reliable. There are unplanned incidents 365 days a years. 

19 hours ago, Brillant93 said:

What’s the point for having one artic at GA if it wasn’t going to be on a route? Unless they’re driving it around a potential route from north Brooklyn to downtown? 

The M14 is supposed to be temporary but I still could see it being permanent. Also aren’t they trying to make the old north shore rail line a busway of some sort? 

So the B15 isn’t going artic or sbs but another route will? Weren’t the XD60 from the Bronx 4700s supposed to go to Brooklyn for this? 

The B41 would be interesting because it’s my neighborhood bus. But are they goin mg to plan two routes since the b41 is two branches? 

They have an artic for the purposes of logistics and planning. This happens with all depots when when articulated buses are implemented. Gleason had one bus for a while prior to conversion, and they had an XD60 earlier in the year.

Yes, we've talked about North Shore, and as I said, the complete plans are still under development so let's just wait until more details are available.

We have discussed the 4700's countless times. That was put on hold in favor of new buses. Theoretically, if the route was to go artic before SBS, 4700's could be uses. However, this is not in the plans. The B15 is going articulated. The new SBS routing is what is not confirmed. It could end up being the B15. 

On 9/7/2018 at 7:13 PM, Axis said:

Bike racks on Q50 buses? This is new...

Its going on 2 months now if I recall correctly.

1 hour ago, Calvin said:

Noting this: With the B35 using XN40s/60s CNGs, the C40LFs don't pop up on the B35 often

 

I live off Church and can’t remeber the last time I saw a C40 on the line. 

1 hour ago, JeremiahC99 said:

Is that for all 110 buses for the XN60 order or only for the 16 units for the Bx6 SBS?

I explained it very clear. The B35 is going select also. No need to ask that question. I didn’t say 16 of them did I? 

6085 CS to MQ

8 hours ago, DueceDrives said:

So now we know the sbs82 suppose to start next month. What might be the next route in brooklyn to become sbs after the 82 or will they go to another borough first before returning back to Brooklyb establishment?......

North Brooklyn Crosstown is the next Brooklyn route as of right now. I never addressed it because I wanted to wait until this thread. Notice how whenever an Artic goes back to GA, I don't comment on it. Well, now you all know why Grand had continuously had at least 1 artic since even before the train Shutdown.

The M14 However is the next route overall to my knowledge. North Shore SBS is still under preliminary design, and will likely have standard buses at start.  

7 hours ago, Future ENY OP said:

Here’s the thing with the B6. Yes UP have excellent drivers who handle the line. However, the 6 is suffering with traffic woes on Avenue J and Bay Parkway. Some stops can use elimination in favor of the local. Right now. Too early to tell for the B6! 

Off board payment is reason #1 for this line. Dwell times are nerve wracking. 

7 hours ago, Future ENY OP said:

I like the Brooklyn, Manhattan and Staten Island Division proposals for SBS. Concerns i have are following. 

1)  Will Staten Island Division finally jump on the artic bandwagon for the S90?

2) Although it is too early to tell. How will the B15 be evaluated because if it’s the current route for airport they better scrap it and create a new route.

3) M96- Quill or MHV for the SBS?

4) and finally B41 should of been SBS way before the 44/46. Glad that 41 will get SBS. Just a matter of time. 

1.) No time soon because don't have any. It is however possible in the future. Electric Artics would be nice. I think that would be a great line to evaluate them on. But in my honest and professional opinion, I don't see them doing it unless they actually continue forward with a plan that combines a portion of the S96 (which is likely) . I edited the the route to reflect.

2-3.) Way too early for any details, but it (JFK Link) will likely remain an almost identical version of the current B15, which is scheduled to be the 7th articulated line in Brooklyn by the time it goes online.

4.) B46 Should have been 1st. It was the heaviest used bus line in the Country until SBS was introduced. It's now #3

I definitely don't think the B41 should have been first. This line is going to be a headache because of the lack of space along most all of the route. This one needs to be thought outa and planned well. dollar cabs, and double parkers have no regard for bus lanes whatsoever along Utica and Nostrand Avenues. Of the top 15 TA routes, Brooklyn has 3, 4, 5, 7, 13, and 14. In my opinion as I said, 46 should have been first. By the time they get to the 41 they will have had enough experience to plan something that will hopefully work. This won't be easy at all, and back then SBS planning was based solely around artics, and the least amount of turns possible. That's how the 44 came into the picture, even though the 6, 35, and 46 all had higher ridership. The 41 then falls behind all of those.

5 hours ago, checkmatechamp13 said:

He probably means reactivating the North Shore Rail Line as a busway (the original plans had it replace the S40/90 entirrly AND the S46/96 west of Morningstar which was rather ridiculous)

Those two lines together would created the largest on the island. There are many ideas on the tabee, and I am interested in how this all plays out.

On another note can you all please not quote a whole post, but only the section you want to discuss. If you aren't discussing anything specific there is no need to quote the whole post if it's part of the most recent discussion. Thank you in advance. Posts have been edited, and quotes deleted to save space.

Just a note to clear up some confusion about the new CNG paint scheme. 

XN40 - Standard Blue base paint with SBS Blue wrap.

XN60 - SBS Blue base with Standard Blue wrap.

Major items coming up on the agenda for next week including the finalized deal for 53 XD60's for MTA. We will get into the discussion about express buses, my predictions, and the introduction of Double-Decker buses.

I will also be starting a thread on the pending bus network redesigns, and the future of the remaining X-numbered routes.

In the meanwhile, I completed the entire list of the future planned and pending SBS routes through 2025 roughly.

This thread will be to discuss all pending and planned SBS routes throughout the 5 boroughs. Planning calls for these routes to be rolled out through the next decade. For discussion about current SBS service, please refer to the existing, and recently renamed General SBS Discussion Thread.

Listed below are all the planned SBS routes as of September 9, 2018. Current priority is B82, M14, and S90. Please remember all information is subject to change without notice. 

Bronx Division

Bx3, Bx9, Bx15, Bx19, Bx28/38, Bx36, Bx40/42

Brooklyn Division

B6, B15, B35, B38*, B41, B82

*New Brooklyn Crosstown SBS may end up being some version of the B38 SBS vs an all new route.

Manhattan Division

M14, M96

Queens Division**

Q6, Q12, Q25, Q27, Q43, Q46, Q58, Q65, Q66 to Manhattan, Q85, Q113/114

** Please note Queens will be the last borough to undergo bus redesign. All planned SBS services for this borough will be put on hold until 2021. 

Staten Island

S90 or Some new SBS form of it.

5991 JK to CS

6112 JK to EN for maintenance training and depot maneuvering.

3112, 3119, 3224, 3236, 3241, 3247, 3324 FR to JK 

5019 GA to EN

7627 NFI to FB

7502, 7505 NFI to JA

7503 ZA to JA

101 to KB (not sure what unit it was)

5596, 5673 reactivated to KB

5851 MQ to OF

5881, 5888 MQ to OH

3932 OF to OH

16 hours ago, Calvin said:

Isn't it just JFK? FR houses the MCIs and pooled VII Hybrids. 

FR houses artics as well sometimes during the overnight hours. As of right now they don't have any. I haven't seen in in since fall pick. I saw them many times this summer however.

I also think it's interesting that they have majority of the 6500's now. 6501, 6534, 6537, 6539-6545

S5991 was actually on the list to go back to CS, however they still need buses and LG, JK, and FR are now short for SBS. It’s still at LG for the time being. Cait Sith was actually right when he poste, however plans were changed at the last minute and the bus is still at LG as of right now. 

7503 NFI to JA (but the bus is actually at ZA as I type.)

Things are getting weird again. Assignments are changing yet again. 

7615 NFI to FB 

7572 back to NFI from the service center and no longer assigned to FB

7643 Was briefly at UP for Familiarization last week. 

1030, 1035-1037 WF to JG

1096, 1098, 1099 NFI to JG

2 hours ago, Jdog14 said:

 

You made it seem like the conjestion would hinder artic operations when that isn't the case lol. 

Facts! Nothing along Church Avenue was modified for artics. Not 1 bus stop. Double parking and dollar cabs are the absolute worse, and there isn't enough room to park them at the terminals either. 

It's working out so far though! lol

On 8/25/2018 at 12:20 AM, Melbx15 said:

I just feel the bx15 limited needs to stay at west farms 

seeing kingbridge buses going past 149st to west Harlem would be to weird for me 

also I don’t think adding SBS service to the bx19 would be a good idea especially as the buses run directly under the elevated 2&5 trains from westchester ave to 174st. They should add limited service to the bx19 that looks like a better idea. 

Limited service is dead and within the next 22 years all routes will introduce off board, and/or all door boarding.

I will actually be going over the next 20 routes planned to be converted to SBS or introduced as all new SBS service over the next decade.

1 hour ago, WestFarms36 said:

So with the a limited amount of artics at this point, is there an option order for the XN60's and will the Bx36 be able to have just enough to be fully articulated?

Sorry for bothering.

That really depends on how they shift things. They only need about 8-9 Artics on the Bx6 so it's not that much of a change, however it does cut into the spare factor a bit. Thus, having diesels on standby. With the Bx6, as well as the Bx36, they can use any existing artic on the line. The 36 was already factored into the order from the beginning. The only addition will be the handful for the 6. So they need to have about 10 extra artics on hand to cover any incidents or road calls.

On 8/18/2018 at 2:40 AM, WestFarms36 said:

There will be enough. The XN60 Order will have WF with more artics than prior, and the Bx6 local wouldn't need any more than 10-11 Buses during peak hours, especially with the frequencies being split with the Bx6 +SBS+, mind that the Bx6 is a short 4 mile route requiring less buses than the Bx36. You may also note that WF will still keep their LFSA's and be receiving a few more from a couple of Manhattan depot's to kill off the remaining D60HF fleet.

There won’t be enough. ALL of WF’s XN60’s were direct replacements for the Orion VII CNG’s. With the Bx6 local being added, there is a further requirement for additional attics, this causing WF to reactivate D60’s.  This also means that WF will not be an all CNG depot as originally expected. 

On 8/22/2018 at 8:13 PM, EastFlatbushLarry said:

i currently work at KB. leaving work a few days ago, a union rep mentioned that the bx15 limited to KB could be a reality down the line. anything else listed here regarding bronx division is "news" to me

This is all news to me as well. The Bx19 however is definitely on the list for SBS. 

We have changed all across the board when it comes to assignments including the reactivation of a few D60’s, so stay tuned for those, and let’s start with these.

1025, 1026, 1031-1034 WF to JG 

Yes 7572 is assigned to Flatbush, however it is at the Vender and this will likely change. This particular bus is also showing up in the system as a special unit and is registered as a 2019 Model. Details on that coming soon as well. This is supposed to be a Quill bus. However I have been hearing that the assignments may change once again as Flatbush also wants new local buses. 

14 hours ago, MHV9218 said:

Anybody have a read on how many RTSes are in active service at JA? Between the new arrivals and the usual summer holds, it's definitely less than the 63 theoretically assigned. I'm aware of 23 that ran today, while on the weekends it's even more restricted. On Saturday 11 RTSes ran in service, while on Sunday there was only one.

From what I can see, 24 went out yesterday.

Roster updated this morning, including 6123 from MQ to GA lol

http://www.ttmg.org/transitwiki/Insider's_Guide:_Metropolitan_Transportation_Authority_Bus_Operations_-_Depot_Summary

Gleason XN60 fleet review: 1073-1086, 1090, 1091

Slightly off topic, but I can see MTA leaving some B35 Limited runs interlined with the local when full service begins in the winter. I could also see them making a move to rush hour and increased artic service in the future like the Bx6. 

 I got some shots of 1074 testing on the hawk (Local) all night. She's going to pull in about 10 minutes from now, then go back out later this afternoon.

I thought he was referring to the SBS. That was my misunderstanding. I would have to check the number.