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They need to be taken seriously...

 

See (B35) i replied to his brooklyn bus suggestion honestly. I know he a teen and may disagree with me but i tell the honest not politically correct replies to everyone here on the boards whether they are 35 years old or 15 years old. Plus i been riding the NYC subways/buses before Threxx was even born.

An classic song from the one of the most popular films of the 1990's. The theme to Lion King.

Elton John "Circle of Life."

Q4: Extend to Elmont Road to Connect to N1 & N2/N8 Loop.

Q27. Extend Limited Trips to Q77 Terminal for connections to Q5 & Q85.

 

Agree 100% on the Q4. I think the was on verge about 5-6 years back to do so but i heard the NIMBYS in Valley Stream blocked it. So not sure the discussed "Q4" extension will ever happen not that LI Bus/NICE is not in opeartions any more.

Q7: Buses can just stay on Rockaway Blvd and not detour

Q9: Extended to JFK via 130 Street

Q10: Local via 130 and Pan Am will be limited runs

Q52: When Instituted, makes limited stops for Q53

Q53: Service from Woodhaven, then express to the Bay Refuge only 7 AM-7PM Weekdays

 

The Q53 Super express pre- days is not returning and honestly does need to. If ever the only the Q53x is needed is during a few trips during summer weekends only. The existing Q53 works and if any minor changes is make less stops along Woodhaven/Cross Bay and that it.

I am making serious proposals. Thank you for at least giving me credit for my local routes.

 

Don't bring that racist Robert Moses into the discussion. That's asking for a flame war.

 

Any way, I ride the BM2 often, and it can beneifit from LIMITED Sunday service.

 

The Greenpoint bus will have a express variant via the Queens Midtown Tunnel, and a downtown variant via Battery.

 

Threxx relax. As a teen i give you credit as many new yorkers of all ages have never heard of Robert Moses. With that said, I am sure if the Belt Parkway was able to handle MCI buses they would have created a Bay Ridge/SI-JFK express bus already. The MCI and RTS/ other 40 foot size that you sometimes see on the Belt are only allowed between Knapp Street and the VZ Bridge or BQE merger.

The purpose for express buses is to provide bus service between the outerboros of Brooklyn, Queens, SI and the Bronx and Manhattan in areas far away from a subway or LIRR/Metro North access. Areas in Brooklyn like Park Slope/Red Hook, Greenpoint/Williamsburg only needs a local bus.

As far as a Greenpoint bus IMO they only a need for a weekday route between say the Lorimer/Metro Av station and East Midtown. Not every neighborhood Threexx can have a 1-seat ride to/from Lower and Downtown Manhattan. They can transfer to the Lex, 7th Ave and 8th Ave subway lines from say a Greenpoint-Midtown bus or take the to Hoyt and transfer to/from the .

Also for Red Hook/Park Slope before 2010 the proposed extending the old B71 to South Ferry via the Battery Tunnel. That makes more sense than an express bus.

For Brownsville/East NY/Crown Heights, IMO there no need for a express bus. The will agrue that the is nearby. A better argument is for the B51 to return connecting with the crosstown buses in Downtown Brooklyn mainly the B25, B45, and B65.

Hope this is fair honest reply Threxx.

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I don't think phase 1 on the SAS requires both expresses to up to 96th. What they could do is build tracks on the slope on the 'local' portion section b/w just north of the 57th/7th stop and just before the curve onto 63rd. That way both local and express trains can be split b/w Queens and Manhattan.

 

My idea would be:

96th/2nd-CI via Broadway express

Ditmars-CI via Broadway express*

71st/Continental-Whitehall via Broadway local

96th/2nd-95th/Bay Ridge via Broadway local

 

Because I still think the is more frequent/consistent than the is by itself. service (being a local) might not be as frequent/consistent and works better with the .

 

Not a bad idea. Issue Concourse why it's not likely to happen is fact a tons of riders including riders in the so called "Brooklyn Chinatown" use the to transfer to the Flushing Line. How do you address that Concourse?

That the reason back in the 1980's the and switched Queens terminals. What yards does the 96th & 2nd-Bay Ridge serve? It makes it diffcult for a direct service without backtracking.

®Ideally it should be shortned. The only way this works is for instance create a new Bay Ridge-Chambers Street line that runs 24/7 as the proposal does not work.

Just my takes Concourse.

Threexx i think honestly stick to making proposals to Local Brooklyn bus routes where your ideas are much more better until your ride more of the express buses. You making proposals on express bus routes is like me making a judgement on "Glee" "Jersey Shore" "Justin Briber" or "Rhinna' i am not that hip lol into today's current 2012 songs or teen culture lol. You admit yourself you been on Brooklyn express buses and never on the X29. Trust me if the X29 came back it should as (B35) and couple of guys suggested suggested a few trips to/from Manhattan on rush hours that it.

I don't think the X29 is coming back though as you more likely to see Sunday X27 or X28 BM1, 2, 3 Sunday service.

I much more agree with many of Brooklyn and Queens bus ideas so stick to that IMO. So briefly my replies.

The X29 never had weekend service. Second you be wasting monies i.e you have the train train (weekdays) and train in addition to the BM3 nearby. Second Ridgewood has a MTA express route but it was cancelled due to low ridership during the June '10 Doomsday Cuts. Greenpoint is better off with a proposed local bus since it close to Manhattan. Before the June '10 Doomsday Cuts, the had made a propsal for a Greenpoint-Midtown bus line via the Midtown Tunnel but was cancelled due to "Doomsday."

And Threexx the Belt Parkway can not handle MCI coaches due to design/height restrictions by Robert Moses the designer of that highway and many of NYC Bridges. Threxx do a search on who he is?)and that my honest takes. I am a honest guy and trying to make you smarter.

FYI. There other teenagers on this site who make great ideas IMO so it's not picking on you because of your age. Just a tough teacher lol and hope you understand. Guys if this young man is making serious proposals just provided a real 'adult' reply and sorry if sound rude

I disagree with your S53 proposal... Yes, extending it 59th street is good, but reducing service levels to give the S93 more service is not. Quite frankly I don't think the S53 and S93 should be considered to be connected and also, folks continue to dismiss the ridership on the S53 north of Victory Blvd. That is the one thing that has pissed me with the . They've made getting below Victory Blvd a real PITA be it via the local bus or the express bus with their reductions in service since 2010. They really need to re-think that, as they are shortchanging Forest Avenue in particular. Now having reduced S53 service for a dedicated S83 service I do agree with...

 

I would also have the S66 run on the weekends every 30 minutes because the S61 and S62 have become more crowded. Aside from that it would give the folks in Grymes Hill the service that they should have on the weekends.

 

As for the S54, I would re-instate weekend service, but extend that line to the ferry. I would keep service down to Eltingville to give riders the option of a North South route, which the has steadily cut over the years as well...

 

I also disagree with cutting overnight service on the S46. That would force riders to go to Forest Avenue for the S48 which does get good usage overnight. Buses serving the ferry should be kept when possible.

 

I also disagree with your S40 and S48 swaps as well. The areas that the S48 serve in the western part of SI would be negatively affected.

 

If the S79 would not have local service at certain times, then the S78 would have to be improved that bus runs like absolute sh*t and folks would be pissed.

 

 

 

No on all three questions... I don't see 4th Avenue being that busy quite frankly to create a SBS lane. Also, regarding the shuttle, if anything it should be increased. That train is one of the slowest if not the slowest in the city!!

If anything the should be running at least until 1am(last train leaving Midtown Manhattan)or even ideally running 24/7 the full route between Bay Ridge and Queens via Manhattan.

That why the S53/79/93 could(and should stay at 86th and 4th). I also agree with LRG though on creating hourly-headways(buses running every hour overnights)on both the S79 and S59. Especially with so many new homes/condos being bulit along Richmond Ave in last 10-15 years.

I seen a couple of you suggest the S53/79/93 and a possible S53 limited(my proposed name for now)be extended to 59th/4th? I understand the main purpose is to provide a direct connection to the subway express.

However playing devil advocate some issues to be raised.

1)Should the S53/79/93 use the BQE/Gowanus direct to 59th/4th and bypass the busy and important 92nd and 86th St bus connections?

2)if the SI buses uses 4th Ave, should a SBS lane be created? 4th Avenue especially during the rush hour can be very busy and add at least 20 minutes to the trip?

3)Do you elimante the late night shuttle if the S53/79/93 is created?

Please address those issues guys.

Thank you, very much.

 

 

 

1 hour headways, and if necessary, the headways can be increased to every half/hour.

 

Threxx sorry if before i sound rude to you and not trying to berate you. My point was how could you provide an 'honest' view of a bus route riding it once in that case the X27/28. I rode the X27/28 reguarly(at least 2-3x a month) when i used to live in Sea Gate a decade ago. And even in recent years living now in upstate Dutchess County, before the June '10 cuts, I still use the X28 between Metro North at Grand Central. I would of course walk between GCT 41 and 5th/Madison for that route. The X27/28 on weekends sometimes was a life saver compared to the "GO'S that would often affect subway service.

With that I always said, IMO Saturday X27/28 should have *never been cut.* My point Threxx is ridership was terrible and low on the X27/28 to run Sunday service. The reason Threxx i said to take an economics course to better understand monies dont grow on trees.

I would the use the monies wasted to run X27/28 Sunday service to instead for example restore Weekday B39 and B51 service. That my whole point. Hope Threxx and everyone now understands.

I admit i don't know Queens as well as say my old boro Brooklyn lol. With that said, I did work in Queens (Maspeth)in late 1990's and still have cousins in SE Queens(Springfield Gardens/Rosedale)so i have some knowledge of that boro bus service. So let me reply to couple of these proposals. Replies in red.

From me:

 

Q5: Limited-Stop Service on weekends (at least saturdays). Times from 11:00am-7:30pm.

"Agree." The Former "Dollar Vans" have taken over Merrick/Brewer Blvd and costed the tens of thousands in lost fares.

I would also create "Limited Q5's for Green Acres (most during weekdays still go to Rosedale)and all on Saturdays to Green Acres.

Q17: Add LTD stop service on saturdays 9:00am-7:00pm

Since you already have the nearby "Q44" running limited 7 days a week well into the evening I doubt the "MTA" will agree to it.

Q25: 10-12 minute frequency increase on Saturdays from morning to evenings.

Q30: Add LTD Stop service on weekdays. Eastbound buses from 7:00am-9:00am. Southbound buses 2:30pm-5:00pm

Problem is the Q30 headways during rush hours is every 7-10 minutes not enough to 'qualify' for a limited.

Q36: Eliminate LTD Stop service. Yes, I still stand by this. While I agree the "Q36" does not need a limited"(I would instead had made the Q43 an 'limited' all day weekdays along Hillside)if it doing ok, I would just leave it alone.

Q42: Restore Saturday service. 45-60 minute headways. I doubt weekend service is returning on this line as the MTA will claim that several other bus lines are 'walking distance to most of the Q42 routing.

Q46: Add LTD stop stop service for PM from 3:30pm-6:30pm. I am surprised the Q46 is not an all day 'limited' weekdays including middays? So yes I agree 100% that limited Q46 should have 'express' service along Union Turnpike in both directions rush hours.

Q65: Same as Q25.

Q74: Restored for Rush Hours only from 7:00am-9:30am & 3:00pm-6:30am-I agree with that. It would help out the crushloaded Q64 for Queens Blvd subway (M)/Queens College connection.

Q84: increased frequency to 8-10 Minutes for Rush Hours. No problem with that.

 

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"Sail On" Lionel Ritchie and the Commodores My late Dad loved this R&B/County/Soft Rock classic.

In recent years I have as well.

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Biggest solo hit (from the 5th member of the Beatles) from the late Billy Preston. Man that the biggest afro i ever seen lol.

"Will go around in circles"

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Checkmate I agree with most of your ideas above. Just couple of quick points.

1)There no need for a 24/7 "S89" Newark Airport-SI Bus. IMO it should operated by either (NJT) or one of the private carriers i.e Academy Bus taking Metrocards. IMO it should run every 30 minutes rush hours and every hour all other times appx. 5am-12:30am.

Plus IMO a Newark Airport-SI should be a separte route and use the Gothehals Bridge to not only serve Elizbeth. It should also and provide connections to (NJT) NE Coordior and Jersey Coast line trains.

Leave the "S89" Bayonne-SI line alone(it should be expanded to run at least all day weekdays with 30-minute headways.)

2)IMO running both the S93 and S83 Saturdays as it is 'excessive." I agree with expanding the S93 to all day weekdays (i.e 30 minute headways weekdays)but on Saturdays '1' Bay Ridge-Clove Road limited is enough.

3)If you going to create a "S79A" might as rename IMO the "S77" to avoid confusion.

I got couple of more comments but i am typing this at work so i reply later during the week checkmate.

High . that exactly the well i feel about your comments below. I agree 1,000%(other than i would run the S79 all day weekdays until 8pm though). The only reason IMO the created SBS for the S79 was political and thus SI political leaders wont scream and moan about not having SBS service.

Also the "S93" has enough ridership IMO right now to run 30-minute headways middays as well. However no need for weekend S93 service.

The S89 has gotten busy since It's first day of service.

 

As for ideas... many were said in the old Staten Island bus idea thread, but I'll still list something I got

 

S79

 

I personally don't think it needs SBS. I would just have it run Limited only during rush hours. The S59 and S78 would be local supplements.

The S79 Limited stops would be:

• 86 St/ 4 Av Station
  
• 86 St/ 5 Av
  
• 92 St/ Fort Hamilton Pkwy
  
• Narrows Rd/ Fingerboard Rd
  
• Narrows Rd/ Hylan Blvd
  
• Hylan Blvd/ Clove Rd
  
• Hylan Blvd/ Seaview Av
  
• Hylan Blvd/ Midland Av
  
• Hylan Blvd/ New Dorp Lane
  
• Hylan Blvd/ Tysens Lane
  
• Hylan Blvd/ Nelson Av
  
• Richmond Av/ Hylan Blvd
  
• Richmond Av/ Eltingville SIR station
  
• Eltingville Transit Center
  

Then all stops to the Staten Island Mall

 

 

My only other idea is for the S93

I would have it expanded to a full weekday route. It starts and ends the same hours. Midday headways would 30 minutes.

The route would also stay the same. I felt Aafew members asked for a little too much with all those S93 extensions and S83 this and that.

 

If the S93 ran all day, it would kill two birds with one stone:

• Take some crowding off the S53 and S62
  
• Also give SI it's first Limited route to run during midday hours
  

I have been on the X27/28, on a weekend, and it had a decent amount of people on board.

 

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What day Threxx? I used to ride the X28 'reguarly' when i used to live in Sea Gate/Coney Island during the Stillwell Terminals/Manhattan Bridge closing between 2002-'04. Even Sunday service even then was very low until the end in 2010 with zero riders.

Again Threxx it seems you dont take me serious and are not open to honestly as I am a 39 year old man and you in middle/high school. You seem to be VG8 younger brother lol. Just have to agree to disagree.

Agree to a point S78. Yet Threxx makes some of the proposals and never been on the X27/28 ever. Kid (Threexx)if you want to proposals you should ride the line first before making a suggestion IMO. In case you dont know not trying to being insulting it makes you look like a 'foamer' a slang of transit site members that makes unrealistic ideas without regard to expensives. No offense taken Threxx.

The X27/28 has more ridership on Saturdays than the BM1, BM2, 3 & 4. It should have only lost Sunday service.

I've ridden the X28 on a weekend before. It does NOT need weekend service restored at least in my opinion.

Agree. Yet Threxx makes some of the proposals and never been on the X27/28 ever. Kid (Threexx)if you want to proposals you should ride the line first before making a suggestion.

I did, but just in case, I will again.

 

The BM1, 2, & 5, (with the 5 in paticular) could use Sunday service, just as a pilot. The & B103 get sufficient use on Sundays for me to know that Sunday service is OK to test. As far as I know, Woodhaven Bl has no weekend exp service, so a pilot on the BM5 wouldn't hurt. If VG8 decides to jump in, I know how to stand by my idea. Don't worry.

Ok. what about the X27/28 weekend service? is it saturday only.(which IMO is only they need it)

Why Sunday service Threexx? You admitted yourself you only been on the BM2 and BM5. The X27/28 had close to Zero ridership on sundays before the June 2010 Doomsday Cuts. That why if weekend service is restored it should start only with Saturday service. Plus the X17 only runs on Saturdays. Not sure if the BM1 and 2 even needs Sunday service.

The MTA does not have endless monies. How do you pay for Sunday service Threexx and also VG8 if he jumps in?

Not to mention running empty buses.

 

Threxx yes. You never replied to this comment from a few days back above.

Some last memories of Dick Clark mentioning "Bandstand" or his New Years Eves specials.

1)The Twist

2)Madonna "Holiday"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0JTJc67neY

3)"Boggie Fever"

4)Donna Summer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArOZQ6OPUTA

5)Micheal Jackson

Goji good pick. One of the biggest hits of 2011. Just only couple of months back LRG also put up this song.

The American Bandstand theme of the 1970's/80's by Barry Manilow.

RIP Dick Clark.

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Proposal # 1:

 

Have the M31 absorb the M57. Implement morning peak-period limited-stop service from Yorkville to Midtown only. All Midtown-bound local trips would operate via Sutton Place South and E 55 St.

 

Proposal # 2:

 

M9 - Restore service via Ave B and E 14 St to Union Square. I don't know the M9 that well so i leave for the others to comment.

M22 - After Madison St, operate via Jackson St, Grand St, Pitt St (which would become a two-way street), Avenue C, and the current M9 to Peter Cooper Village.

Too long IMO. Primary purpose for M22 is to connect BPC with the City Hall area and ditto for the Lower East Side-City Hall. The argument could be made to restore late evening weekend service to at least 12 Midnight.

 

 

 

Proposal # 3:

 

M2 - Operate southbound via the current M5 to South Ferry all times except late nights. Return via State St, Battery Pl, Trinity Pl, Church St, Worth St, Centre St, and Lafayette St, then current routing.

Disagree. It would get caught in traffic along Broadway/Church St(including Holland Tunnel)and lose any savings it has as a 5th/Madison Ave limited. A better argument is for the "M1"to restore South Ferry service.

 

M5 - Operate to Houston St. Restore pre-June 2010 routing and stop assignments.- I agree but I don't think the M6 is coming back. A compromise could be to end the M5 at 168th/Broadway. At very least all M5's (except late evenings 10pm-last bus)should run as limited between 14th Street and 72nd/Broadway.

M6 - Restore route. Operates between South Ferry and Central Park South all times except late nights. Northbound would operate via the pre-June 2010 routing of State St, Battery Pl, Trinity Pl, Church St, and 6 Ave. But would operate southbound via Central Pk S, 7 Ave, 7 Ave S, Varick St, Park Pl, Broadway, and State St.-Read above on my M5 comments.

M7 - Cut back to Penn Station when the M6 operates.-For alternative or short trips, i agree.

M20 - Operate southbound via 9 Ave, Bethune St, and Greenwich St (7 Ave service replaced with restored M6).

Buddy I don't think the M6 is coming back. With that said to help the M20, restore full time M10 service to Penn Station.

 

M11 - Reduce service where possible in order to satisfy the Bus Loading Guidelines.-Why? Several other posters have complainedof SRO conditions on this line. Maybe artics along with more short trips between 14th St and 135th/Broadway is needed.

 

 

So, what do you think? I think that Proposals 1 and 3 could easily be implemented, because they would, at the very least, pay for themselves. Proposal # 2 may be a long shot, but could hopefully be implemented when the economy gets healthier.

 

Since this is related to the SAS CDTA suggestion/question is being moved & merged to the SAS thread.

N81 the reason why it doesn't Work is INFREQUENT SERVICE it is a crosstown so it us too infrequent to attract ridership the N80 should be an express variant of N20 going non stop from hicksville to lakeville rd then great neck. In the future it may be able to go to LGA via cross island and 678 I know that part of cross island can support buses. But who knows

 

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