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The BxM4C turns a profit even though Metro-North is cheaper and supposedly faster. Apparently those riders don't want to use Metro-North for whatever reason. Even at a $5.50 fare, it would probably have something like a 70% farebox recovery ratio, which is higher than most express routes already running.

 

Checkmate not sure you been along Central Ave in Lower Westchester i.e Yonkers, Scardale and White Plains. Being fair if a resident lives near Central Ave it's could be as much as 3-4 miles from either the Hudson line i.e Yonkers-Getty Sq. or the Harlem line lower westchester stations. Not to mention many of the Lower Westchester MNRR stations have no or limited amount of parking during rush hours. The current Westchester County Exec (their version of a Boro President)want outright to kill the "4c." Only a strong pention saved weekday service. Keep in mind on why some riders use the Bee Line 4c.

I would make the BxM11 stop at the Bronx Zoo by request

 

I think after 3pm weekdays and around 5pm weekends(correct me if i wrong)The BXM11 skips the Bronx Zoo stop Wakefield bound already.

And VG8. The BX12, and couple of bus line travel along Fordham/Pelham Pwy and Boston Rd anyhow to transfer to.

Here we go again. VG8 with his agenda lol. Here are my replies.

I disagree with just about all of these suggestions. I would not increase service on the BxM1 because ridership dipped slightly, but I believe that it will pick up, seeing that the other two Riverdale express buses saw increases in ridership. However, the current service levels on the BxM1 are fine. The BxM2 gets better usage later at night and also is used by a younger crowd at night (both to and from Riverdale), not to mention the attractions (MoMA, Lincoln Center, Museum of Natural History, Central Park, 34th street shopping, Madison Ave/Upper East Side, Upper West Side shopping, Times Square, and list goes on and on), hence why it runs later, as 6th Avenue is more centralized if you may than 3rd Avenue.

 

Reply. I gave to you and agreed that with the Riverdale population increasing (also caused the endless GO's on the (1)train)that the BXM2 should run 7 days a week. Up until 4-5 years ago(long before you moved up there) BXM2 Sunday ridership was very low and thus until recently, I suggested that. Still I suggeted running the BXM1 1 more hour Bronx bound until 2am 6 nights a week. I am surprised at you VG8.

 

The BxM1 tends to be more of an older crowd and 3rd Avenue can be dead after say Murray Hill and thus the later runs usually aren't as crowded. In fact an extra run in the morning was added on the BxM1, so now the first bus to Riverdale is 06:45 in the morning, which I think is pretty fair. I myself have used some of the early buses to Riverdale on both the BxM1 and BxM2 and while they are lightly used, they are needed because many of the folks using them are nurses and such coming to Riverdale to tend to patients. What I would like to see is one more later BxM18 to Downtown in the morning and perhaps a later BxM2 to Riverdale during the week since we have the 01:15 BxM2 Saturday nights to Riverdale. I would run the BxM2 until about 01:30 during the week, with the last bus being spaced one hour from the 00:30 bus this way there wouldn't be any wasted service. I sometimes catch the last BxM18 of the morning and it is pretty crowded, with about 50 - 60% of the riders getting off in Midtown and the rest getting off here and there Downtown. The morning buses are mainly Riverdale riders, so for anyone who says that it shouldn't be for Riverdale, think again. Ridership on the BxM18 increased slightly and is well used overall.

 

I would leave the BxM3 as is. They've pretty much cut just about everything that they can and since it serves Broadway in Riverdale, without it, it would be an even longer schlepp to get to Midtown and even longer to get to Downtown for those who transfer to the subway or whatever after 23rd street.

 

Reply. I just used the BXM3 on a busfanning trip from Midtown-Yonkers(transfer at Getty Sq for MNRR Hudson line trip home)on a Sunday about 2 months ago in April. Both the 9pm and 10pm Manhattan bound buses traveling on the Degan had *zero riders.* Thus why i suggested thos minor cuts. It's only Sunday Night VG8. They still have Metro North and also the BXM 4 on Grand Councourse as alternatives. Also on Sunday Nights the X10 ends Manhattan bound service by 8-9pm so just following the pattern.

 

BxM7 service could be expanded since there is no MetroNorth and the folks do use the BxM7 very well in Co-op City.

Agreed. Ideally when the fiscal crisis is over the X1 and BXM7 both have 1-hour or 90 minute headways overnights.

For now the last bus leaving Manhattan Monday Night(Tues. Morning)-Sat. Night(Sunday Morning)should be extended to 2am.

 

The BxM8 service I would leave as is. With all of the disruptions along the line and Lexington Avenue line in general getting from Pelham Bay would be a real schlepp without the BxM8.

I only called for cutting a couple of last Manhattan bound trips on Sundays to merged with the BXM7. Bruckner Blvd/Pelham Bay express bus riders are not losing service. Rest of BXM8 weekend schedule and all of the weekday schedule remains the same except the last couple of trips on Saturday/Sunday Nights.

 

I would also leave the BxM9 as is. Anyone who lives in Throggs Neck knows what a schlepp it is to get from there to the city due to the limited amount of transportation options in the area. The line is well used overall and the BxM9 is the lifeline of the neighborhood.

This is car central for the Bronx area. If you want to run Manhattan Bound BXM9 with often no riders on Sunday nights then maybe you pay for it VG8. Plus the Rest of BXM9 schedule remains the same including the last trips on Sunday evenings. Not to mention the BXM7/8 is not far on the Bruckner.

 

The BxM4 isn't a bad idea. That line needs some help IMO and it is mainly used in Woodlawn from what I see since some of the other neighborhoods that it goes through simply can't afford the fare. However, I believe that the line may see usage down the line as some areas of the Bronx sllloooowwwlllllyyyyy gentrify...

 

 

Oh and I almost forgot about the BxM6.... You know that line seems to be extremely unreliable and considering that it seems to come whenever it wants, it still gets good usage, so don't be so quick to call for weekend service to be cut. For one, the BxM6 serves a lot of large apartment complexes in Parkchester, and I would imagine that they would go crazy if the little amount of service that they have was cut. Quite frankly, I can't understand why the line is so unreliable considering that Eastchester seems to be pretty decent with running buses on time.

Again if you read carefully the BXM6 plan it would be merged with the BXM10 running to Eastchester on weekends. Plus instead of waiting for a bus every hour, they get a bus every 20 minutes during peak hours Saturday-Sundays and only every hour late evenings weekends. So this benefits Parkchester more. Plus prior to the takeover on sundays, the BXM10 did serve Parkchester while the BXm6 did not run.

 

Oh, FYI, some of the lines that you propose cutting weekend service on are actually growing (i.e. BxM9). You propose ending BxM6 weekend service, but at the same time, BxM10 weekend ridership is up, so you may have to add more BxM10s anyway, so you might as well keep it the way that it is. BxM6 weekend ridership is not that terrible.

 

http://www.mta.info/...MTA_weekend.htm

 

http://www.mta.info/...ship_busMTA.htm

 

And if you read my replies i told you this is minor cuts only on Sunday evenings i.e BXM3 and 9 with light ridership Midtown Bound. Also the cuts on weekend evenings BXM6 and BXM8 in which riders get more service with nearby routes the BXM7 and BXM 10. Plus BXM1 and BXM7 runs about a hour later on Monday-Saturday Nights. That where the ridership is.

Since i been 'quiet" on this boro I offer these suggestions on the manhattan express bus serving the Bronx and parts of City of Yonkers

1)BXM1-expand service until 2am (last bus leaving Manhattan) Monday Night(Tuesday AM)-Saturday Night (Sunday AM).

2)BXM3-End earlier Manhattan-bound express weekend service with last bus leaving Getty Sq. at 9pm Saturdays and 8pm Sundays. Last buses for Yonkers-bound service leaving manhattan remains the same.

3)Extend BXM4 to Yonkers Raceway via McClean and central Aves. Restores direct 1-seat weekend Manhattan express bus service to/from East Side of Yonkers. Also relives overcrowding on the BL-20/21 as well.

4)End Weekend BXM6 service. BXM10 re-routed weekend only to serve Parkchester.

5)BXM7 expands to run 22 hours a day with last bus leaving Mid Manhattan at 2am Monday(Tuesday Morning-Saturday night(early Sunday AM) and last bus leaving Coop City 1am. Sunday service remains the same. The BXM7 is the 2nd busiest NYC express bus routes and thus increase the hours to match the busiest the X1.

6)BXM8 weekend service ends earlier. Last bus leaving Pelham Bay bus Saturdays 8pm and Manhattan at 9pm. On Sundays last bus from Pelham Bay at 7pm and 23rd/Madison at 8pm. Last few BXM7's serves as replacements along the bruckner late evenings weekends.

7)BXM9 sunday service leaves Throgs neck ends earlier at 8pm. Bronx-bound service remains the same.

I am suggesting the changes for BXM3, BXM6 and BXM9 for slight reductions since those trips often has zero ridership on those last trips on weekends. And increasing service on growing routes the BXM1 and BXM7.

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Since i remember the early days of Hip Hop most of you may laugh at this now. However this is a landmark song in both Hip Hop/POP Music history. In Sept. 1990, this became the 1st 'pure" modern (not counting Blondie's "Rapture" in 1981)rap song/single to ever hit #1 on the US charts.

This is something this gentleman can claim that Run DMC, Sugarhill Gang, the Beastie Boys, Grandmaster Flash or even LL Cool J could never made. Famous for sampling David Bowie/Queen's hit single "Under Pressure."

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Cough Cough feel free to place that DJ Khlaed in the music thread. Can we get back to any serious Queens bus proposals please?

Another oldies from a proud AARP member lol on the boards. Here one of my favorite Paul Simon songs of all time with a reggae-type song. Here his 1980 smash hot "Late in the Evening."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57RIlznOpDM

Another early 80's classic. Many hip hop songs post 1992 has sampled this.

Sorry, idk most "older" artists, but I detest pop music.

 

You a teen VMW lol. You dont have to like it but 'respect" it. If you into Hip Hop respect Grandmaster Flash Sugarhill gang etc.

Rock of course the Beatles, Elvis, Chuck Berry, etc. Hip-Hop Pop Justine Beriber, Katy Perry, Rhinna respect Micheal Jackson, Bee Gees, Madonna, Aretha Franklin etc. Honestly where does today music come from thin air? There a history from older artists so you should respect it.

Back to the damn music. Here a old school R&B/Disco classic that was played at many roller skates and BBQ's circa 1979/1980.

I can only respect the Beatles and Dragonforce.

They are the only British musicians I respect. All the others write sap-*ss dime-a-dozen love songs. No Exceptions. Except the Beatles. No Exceptions.

 

You only a teen VWM. Gotta to disagree on stating only '2' good British artists. Heard of the Rolling Stones? Elton John? Traffic/Steve Winwood? Billy Ocean?(though he was born in trindad) Duran Duran? Seal? Just touching the surface.

There been some great UK artists over the years so you and JW are wrong to say that all British performers "suck."

Sure there been some terrible ones.

The point that JW makes on having more English speaking Asian and Indian performers on the US pop charts is another argument than his point that UK is overplayed.

Can we say "British Invansion III" ? First in the mid 1960's then the mid 80's and now again in 2011-'12.

I know someone just posted this recently but what the hell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti3t7MAwaaM

The last one for the night from SL Bus. I am sure NYCtransitfan will like this. A late '80's smash from the band best known for Madonna begining her carrer with before going solo. "Breakfast club"(no not the movie) with "Right on Track."

Still a good song IMO to listen in AM on train going to work or school.

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Speaking of Robert Miles here is biggest hit to date. A smash from summer of 1996. Not much into techno but great song to say listen to drive on the highway or going on a cruise.

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Listening to 103.5 KTU (The Beat Of New York). Now Playing: Madonna- Holiday

 

KTU is still playing '80's music? Wow. Thought they played dance/techo and hip hip pop from 2000 onwards.

Hard to believe next in 2013 will be 30 years since that song debuted ('83)

and was madonna 1st major top 40 hit.

At the moment I'm listening to MIX 104.9 Darwin.

 

What type of music does that station in Melbourne play my friend?

I'm not behind at all... Quite frankly, no one disputes the fact that the 90s produced some of the greatest music... Rap, rock, metal.... It was quality... Today however, most of the stuff coming out is pure garbage, so I don't feel like I'm missing anything.

 

As for nerds listening to rap music.... That was certainly not happening back in the 90s... A sign of the times changing...

 

The 1990's producing some of the greatest music? Since you a hardcore Metal fan, VG8 that true. IMO even though the '90's did produce some good music, it's a bit strong to call it the best. Heard of the `1950's i.e Elvis? '60's i.e Motown and the Beatles '70's Elton John, Springstein, Marley, R&B, Disco and punk rock i.e The clash Police? Or even the 1980's? i.e U2, Micheal Jackson, RUN DMC, Bon Jovi?

Just be a bit more open minded VG8 in your music comments.

Country is 2nd?? Thats a shock. I don't know anyone between the age of 15 and 21 who likes Country. They all like Hip Hop, Spanish music, Pop or Rock lol..

 

Well if you been to the south and midwest you would know country is huge. Places like Nashville has as many 3-4 full time country stations. So there a world outside of NYC lol.

And NYCtrainfan i thought you 55 years of age lol? Joking. Seriously yes there 19 years old who prefer '70's/'80's classics. Just making point that the *average* 19-21 year old in NYC or most of America's bigger cities prefer Hip-Hop according to these stats.

Okay I take back my 67 proposal of discontinuing the 67. However I have another proposal for the 67.

67: Extended to Atlantic City during the summer instead of transfering to the 319 weekends

 

Actually Newark/Journal Sq. riders already has 1-2 daily trips to/from AC on a sub branch of the 319. If you suggesting to add maybe 1-2 more trips on the weekend(right now it's 1 trip each way Saturday/Sundays)then that makes more sense. Plus riders can transfer to either the 559 (Route 9 local) or 319 "express" to/from AC. And why Q23 you refuse to being honest and just admit you never been on that part of NJ Transit? It's no shame you only a teen. My 1st trip to AC was when i was 20 years of age.

Instead of extending the #67 down to AC a better idea during the summer is to extend to nearby Seaside Heights (Hello TV show "Jersey Shore" lol )instead. Currently there very limited service between North Jersey/NYC and Seaside so that a better option imo.

LOL. It's what all the kids are listening to these days...including the nerds. In any case, I did post up a few other songs besides rap music. TBH, I wouldn't have clicked on some of those rap videos in the first place if there weren't good-looking girls on the cover of the video.

 

VG8 little behind the times lol. If you asked teens/young adults ages 15-21, Rap/Hip-Hop is now the #1 prefered music genre in America. Second is country and Third is Rock N Roll. Thus that why in almost all big cities in US, there at least 2 or more "Rap" or Hip Hop Pop i.e Kelly Clarkson, Rhinna, Chris Brown, Katy Perry etc. radio stations. And 20th Century-oriented R&B iand Rock s slowly dying.

That a reason majority of the members on the boards ages 25 and under, White Black and Latino love it.

Only reason i have a "clue" myself is because last few years I been working with teens as a Teaching Asst./Sub Teacher.

A really old school late 1980's classic. From the 1980's this samples an old James Brown song.

Since I can't find the Manhattan Bus Proposals thread, I have to make a new thread.

 

Here is a map of this M19, an eastern version of the M15.

 

https://maps.google....102453,0.154324

 

If a mod sees this, please combine this thread with the Manhattan bus thread.

 

I dont think the(MTA) would appprove since it parrels the M5 and M7 routes. Better off making the M7 a limited. With that this is merged with the Manhattan Bus Proposal Thread.

Hey majority of you guys are on the boards are under 30 so of course many ofyou into either Hip-Hop, Reggeaton or Techno Dance. Remember not everyone is in the NYC 5 boros.

Too bad the music i grew up with mostly R&B/Old School Hip Hop and Rock is slowly fading away.

- 551 to cape may ?? yeah right.... NJT is on the money with a commuter route b/w AC & Philly...... 551 & 553 are NJT's "money" routes out of AC.....

You're severely underestimating the 551's usage out of Avandale p&r.... Your idea would force NJT to dwindle service on the 552 for the sake of getting rid of a seasonal route..... No way would NJT extend a few 551's to cape may from AC AND have 552's running ~ every hour to cape may out of AC....

 

- discontinue the 67? what the hell..... How in the world would Newark (and EWR) riders get to/from route 9?

the 139 does NOTHING for those heading to/from Newark..... the 137 & the 319 out of PABT already go to toms river.... it's asinine to send another route out of PABT (139) to toms river in lieu of getting rid of the 67..... 139 got enough service patterns as it is.....

 

- 317 to sea bright via red bank? clearly you've never rode/drove along route 35 towards red bank.... and then you want to send another route to sea bright; for what..... You are adding another 60-75 mins to an already 4 hour long route.....

 

Bro(B35) and i thought i was tough on Q23 on replying to the #67. Q23 is a teen from Queens and seems to making all of these suggestions from reading a map from his computer lol.

And likely never been of any of the lines he proposing.

At least a good poster checkmate will ask questions while making route proposals even if never been on it.