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Car Assignment Sheet & Spare Car List November 14, 1984 - B Division (B.M.T./IND.)


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Credit and thanks to Larry,RedbirdR33 For Posting This Information (at Subchat.com):

 

Car Assignment Sheet November 14, 1984

70(A) R38s - 80; R40s - 90; R44s - 152 Total Cars 70(A) 322

70(AA)/70(:) R32 Brightliners - 32; R40s - 136; R40M/R42 - 88 Total Cars 70(AA)/70(:) 256

70(CC) R10s - 136; R38s 80; Total Cars 70(CC) 216

70(D) R32 Brightliners - 160; R40M/R42 - 170 Total Cars 70(D) 330

70(E) R46s - 200 Total Cars 70(E) 200

70(F) R46s - 312 Total Cars 70(F) 312

70(GG) R10s - 88 Total Cars 70(GG) 88

70(J) R16s - 72; R27/R30s - 40; R40M/R42s -32 Total Cars 70(J) 144

70(LL) R27/R30s - 104; R40M/R42s - 24 Total Cars 70(LL) 128

70(M) R27/R30s - 176; R40M/R42s - 24 Total Cars 70(M) 200

70(N) R32 Brightliners - 152; R46s - 128 Total Cars 70(N) 280

70(RR) R27/R30s 112; R32 Brightliners 120; R40M/R42 72 Total Cars 70(RR) 304

Franklin 70(SS) R27/R30s - 12 Total Cars Franklin 70(SS) 12

(JFK) R46s - 21 Total Cars (JFK) 21

 

I didn't see a listing for 70(QB); I think the 70(QB)'s cars are included with the 70(M) since the 70(QB) was still rush hours in 1984.

 

Car Totals On November 14, 1984:

Requirements + Spares = Total

 

*R10s 224 + 108 = 332 R10s

*R16s 72 + 17 = 89 R16s

*R27/R30s 444 + 100 = 544 R27/R30s

*R32 Brightliners 464 + 134 = 598 R32 Brightliners

*R38s 160 + 36 = 196 R38s

*R40s 226 + 70 = 296 R40s

*R40M/R42s 410 + 90 = 500 R40M/R42s

*R44s 152 + 148 = 300 R44s

*R46s 661 + 93 = 754 R46s

 

Notice that Broadway/Queens Boulevard was mainly R46s with some R32 Brightliners on the 70(N) and R10s on the 70(GG) as 1984 began to end.

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All of the assignments seem accurate; I'm curious as to why half of the R44 fleet were "spares" and not assigned to a line. Was this the time that cracks were found in the undercarriages (yet again)?

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All of the assignments seem accurate; I'm curious as to why half of the R44 fleet were "spares" and not assigned to a line. Was this the time that cracks were found in the undercarriages (yet again)?

Sam: That could be a valid reason for why nearly half of the R44s were used as spares as 1984 began to end.

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My knowledge of the car assignments on some lines I've seen in the mid-to-late 1980s, and early 90s:

 

R46's disappeared from the (N) in November of 1987, at virtually the same time the brown <R> was eliminated and 4th Ave/Nassau St. service was simplified (i.e. cut). I recall seeing the R68 F train many times prior to the (N)/® swap, but never afterwards. R16's did regularly swap between Broadway and Nassau St, I rode one Nassau St. RR from Metropolitan Ave to 95th St and then to Queensboro Plaza on Columbus Day 1986.

 

As far as signage went, the R46's already had (N) to Astoria and (R) to Forest Hills signage installed well before the swap. The last round of signs were installed in late 1988 in time for the Archer Ave. opening.

 

GOH'ed R32's had been running on the (R) and (G) since late 1988. I remember the swap in the autumn of 1990, being shocked to see ANYTHING other than an R46 on the (E) or (F). For a while, both lines were almost entirely R32. When the October 1992 service changes were made (permanently cutting the (R) back to Forest Hills), the current assignments took effect, with R & G trains being all R46 and the E being all R32, the F being almost all R46. After this, the R30's on the (C) began disappearing, FAST. Even without Subtalk/Subchat and NYCTF, I knew they were being retired.

 

The R46's made a strong "comeback" in the autumn of 1987, where about one third of the N fleet was made up of R46's. I rode lots of them that September and October on the Astoria line. R40's didn't REALLY start showing up on the N until 1989.

 

That autumn, the GOH program was in full swing and car assignments got a little weird. I saw red R30's running on the yellow R and even green R10's running on the K and orange B.

 

The only cars left with the old original rollsigns in the autumn of 1987 WERE the R10's. All the R27-R38 cars had modern signage with the 1979 color bullets and single letter designations. All the R16's were gone by then. There WAS one set of pre-GOH R38's which still had old 1967-79 era route color signage (similar to the R16's) in 1987. I recall riding it on the K, though the signage was set to KK. It had to have been the 10 experimental A/C cars. I remember noting that.

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My knowledge of the car assignments on some lines I've seen in the mid-to-late 1980s, and early 90s:

 

R46's disappeared from the (N) in November of 1987, at virtually the same time the brown <R> was eliminated and 4th Ave/Nassau St. service was simplified (i.e. cut). I recall seeing the R68 F train many times prior to the (N)/® swap, but never afterwards. R16's did regularly swap between Broadway and Nassau St, I rode one Nassau St. RR from Metropolitan Ave to 95th St and then to Queensboro Plaza on Columbus Day 1986.

 

As far as signage went, the R46's already had (N) to Astoria and (R) to Forest Hills signage installed well before the swap. The last round of signs were installed in late 1988 in time for the Archer Ave. opening.

 

GOH'ed R32's had been running on the (R) and (G) since late 1988. I remember the swap in the autumn of 1990, being shocked to see ANYTHING other than an R46 on the (E) or (F). For a while, both lines were almost entirely R32. When the October 1992 service changes were made (permanently cutting the (R) back to Forest Hills), the current assignments took effect, with R & G trains being all R46 and the E being all R32, the F being almost all R46. After this, the R30's on the (C) began disappearing, FAST. Even without Subtalk/Subchat and NYCTF, I knew they were being retired.

 

The R46's made a strong "comeback" in the autumn of 1987, where about one third of the N fleet was made up of R46's. I rode lots of them that September and October on the Astoria line. R40's didn't REALLY start showing up on the N until 1989.

 

That autumn, the GOH program was in full swing and car assignments got a little weird. I saw red R30's running on the yellow R and even green R10's running on the K and orange B.

 

The only cars left with the old original rollsigns in the autumn of 1987 WERE the R10's. All the R27-R38 cars had modern signage with the 1979 color bullets and single letter designations. All the R16's were gone by then. There WAS one set of pre-GOH R38's which still had old 1967-79 era route color signage (similar to the R16's) in 1987. I recall riding it on the K, though the signage was set to KK. It had to have been the 10 experimental A/C cars. I remember noting that.

 

 

I rerember when the ®/(G) had nothing but R32's, the (R) had some R46's as well, but the (E)/® did a swap in 1991 where the (E) would be 100% R32's with an occasional R46, the (R) be 90% R46 and 10% R32's and the (G) being 70% R46's and 30% R32's, The (F) had R32's and R46's but the culver residents complained about how they liked the R46's better so the (F) became 100% R46 with an occasional R32 after 1994, when the (V) came in 2001 the (E) remained the same, the (G) became 100% R46, The (R) remained the same but had extra R46's and R32's added( this happend in july of 2001, CI transferd some R32 trainsets to Jamaica for extra (R) service) and the (F) became 70% R46 and 30% R32's while the (V) was 100% R46.

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All of the assignments seem accurate; I'm curious as to why half of the R44 fleet were "spares" and not assigned to a line. Was this the time that cracks were found in the undercarriages (yet again)?

 

Sam: That could be a valid reason for why nearly half of the R44s were used as spares as 1984 began to end.

 

The R46's were the ones that had trouble with cracking trucks, and that was because they used a new and unproven Rockwell truck design. The truck problems never showed up on the R44's. Rather, they had a lot of electrical problems and problems with the P-wire braking.

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