BrooklynBus Posted December 31, 2012 Share #1 Posted December 31, 2012 http://www.sheepsheadbites.com/2012/12/the-commute-reflecting-on-2012/#more-41099 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted December 31, 2012 Share #2 Posted December 31, 2012 http://www.sheepshea...012/#more-41099 I am curious about your B22 idea do you know when buses can use it past knapp officially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBus Posted December 31, 2012 Author Share #3 Posted December 31, 2012 I am curious about your B22 idea do you know when buses can use it past knapp officially. Once the Belt Parkway bridges are rebuilt, buses should be able to use the entire Belt Parkway, but the MTA would have to get a permit from DOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted December 31, 2012 Share #4 Posted December 31, 2012 Once the Belt Parkway bridges are rebuilt, buses should be able to use the entire Belt Parkway, but the MTA would have to get a permit from DOT. I see but some of them were already rebuilt. are artics too big for the belt? you know just incase the line is too successful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peacemak3r Posted January 1, 2013 Share #5 Posted January 1, 2013 Belt's traffic patterns + Buses in service on them = Disaster waiting to happen. **EDIT** My statement reflects on the Belt between the merge to Gowanus and Erksine Street. And during morning rush, afternoon and evening rush hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBus Posted January 1, 2013 Author Share #6 Posted January 1, 2013 Belt's traffic patterns + Buses in service on them = Disaster waiting to happen. **EDIT** My statement reflects on the Belt between the merge to Gowanus and Erksine Street. And during morning rush, afternoon and evening rush hours. The problem with running buses on the Belt is that traffic jams are very unpredictable. I find that parts of the Belt are actually quicker during rush hours than at certain other times like summer weekends when it is usually jammed. For a bus route to be successful, they would need alternate routes when there are severe traffic jams, otherwise they could get stuck for 45 minutes making the route extremely unreliable. That's what the B110 does now. When the BQE is jammed, they are authorized to use 8th Avenue and Prospect Park West as an alternate. Similarly, an NYCT route on the Belt should have alternate routes like Cropsey Avenue and Flatlands Avenue available for their use. I see but some of them were already rebuilt. are artics too big for the belt? you know just incase the line is too successful? The problem is more with the lane width, so I don't see why bus length should be a problem. But it would be up to DOT if they would want to allow them. It would bus cut travel time from Southern Brooklyn to Gateway Mall and JFK by about two thirds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peacemak3r Posted January 1, 2013 Share #7 Posted January 1, 2013 Since this was posted in the Subways I won't go in depth about buses. But I've told qj in another section of the forum, buses fit on the Belt Pkwy no problem. I've seen, daily. express buses and regular buses (not in service of course) on the Belt as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBus Posted January 1, 2013 Author Share #8 Posted January 1, 2013 Since this was posted in the Subways I won't go in depth about buses. But I've told qj in another section of the forum, buses fit on the Belt Pkwy no problem. I've seen, daily. express buses and regular buses (not in service of course) on the Belt as well. The B83 also operates in service for a short distance to Erskine Street. That was my suggestion that took the MTA five years to study. I am not double posting this in buses, unless the moderator wants to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peacemak3r Posted January 1, 2013 Share #9 Posted January 1, 2013 Well the responses are similar to another post in the Motor Vehicles section of this forum. The traffic patterns will disrupt any bus service on the Belt that stretches more than 1 exit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted January 1, 2013 Share #10 Posted January 1, 2013 Well the responses are similar to another post in the Motor Vehicles section of this forum. The traffic patterns will disrupt any bus service on the Belt that stretches more than 1 exit. you raise interesting points. However this is what I would do 1st B22 is of course not my idea and is from brooklynbus. Another would be a route from the casino to airtrain lefferts to kings plaza via gateway mall and canarsie pier.Extension of Q22 to sheepshead bay subway via belt but one exit to replace B4's segment with a more reliable route and at rush hr Q22 to ceasar's bay. B4 can be truncated at sheepshead bay subway station since it's already unreliable as it is. However this is implemented properly reduces wait times. MTA needs more money for the kings plaza and B22. And another conduit LTD from ridgewood OR broadway jct via conduit to JFK airtrain then via nassau expressway to springfield blvd queens to cambria heights except rush hr due to more frequent Q77s running about. peacemak3r I am grateful for your input and were very helpful. @Brooklynbus So it was you who was responsible for the B83's extension interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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