MTA Researcher Posted April 20, 2022 Share #1 Posted April 20, 2022 A Theoretical Solution For NYC Subway (Discussion) - 207 - Lefferts: CPW/8 Av/Fulton St Exp (I wonder if Far Rock A and Lefferts E is a better choice?) - BPB - WTC: Concourse Lcl, CPW/8 Av Lcl (50 St upper level is served, Concourse Yard is its home, E merges with A to Express, CPW Local belongs to 8 Av Lcl and Broadway Lcl) - 179 - Far Rockaway: QBL Exp - 53rd St - 8 Av/Fulton St Exp (If E goes to Far Rock, it has to go to 179 St and swap with F in northern queens. I actually am debating putting A to Far Rock and E to Lefferts if E goes to 179 St) - 205 - Coney: Concourse RH Exp, CPW/6 Av Exp, Brighton Local (Here B gives Bronx direct access to Coney Island, also CPW Exp belongs to 8 Av Exp and 6 Av Exp) - JC - Coney: QBL Exp - 53rd St, 6 Av/Culver Lcl (Deinterlines the merge at Queens Plaza bringing F back to that station while Orange Q covers the 63rd Street portion) - 71 Av - Brighton Beach: QBL Lcl - 63rd St, 6 Av/Brighton Exp (Nostalgia, why not?) - Astoria - Coney: Astoria Line - 60 St, Bway/4 Av Exp - Sea Beach (with Broadway Local to CPW local and Queens bound trains on the Broadway Express, N train may now skip 49 Street) - 71 Av - Bay Ridge-95 St: QBL Lcl - 60 St, Bway/4 Av Exp (4 Av Lcl south of 36 St with vanshook’s proposed switches. Also R follows the Broadway Express trend as N) - 168 St - Coney: CPW/Bway Lcl - Montague St - 4 Av Lcl - West End (From 57 St - 7 Av the local tracks could connect to 59 St - Columbus Circle and go local to CPW) - JC - Broad St - Jamaica Lcl - JC - Broad St - Jamaica Exp (Who needs the Z train?) Brown M - Metropolitan Av - Chambers St: Myrtle Av Lcl OR - 96 St - Metropolitan Av: 2 Av Line - 63rd St , 6 Av/Myrtle Av Lcl (This could be our quick fix to fill the void in 2 Av, at least until the T shows up and replaces Orange M thus putting it back to brown.) - 125 St - Euclid Av: 2 Av/Fulton St Lcl - The unused tracks at Hoyt-Schimmerhorn that lead to Court St are connected to Hanover Sq from 2 Av I make this thread with the belief that 2 Av Subway is flawed and should be modified. Food for thought. Agree? Disagree? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Powers Posted April 20, 2022 Share #2 Posted April 20, 2022 5 hours ago, MTA Researcher said: A Theoretical Solution For NYC Subway (Discussion) - 207 - Lefferts: CPW/8 Av/Fulton St Exp (I wonder if Far Rock A and Lefferts E is a better choice?) - BPB - WTC: Concourse Lcl, CPW/8 Av Lcl (50 St upper level is served, Concourse Yard is its home, E merges with A to Express, CPW Local belongs to 8 Av Lcl and Broadway Lcl) - 179 - Far Rockaway: QBL Exp - 53rd St - 8 Av/Fulton St Exp (If E goes to Far Rock, it has to go to 179 St and swap with F in northern queens. I actually am debating putting A to Far Rock and E to Lefferts if E goes to 179 St) - 205 - Coney: Concourse RH Exp, CPW/6 Av Exp, Brighton Local (Here B gives Bronx direct access to Coney Island, also CPW Exp belongs to 8 Av Exp and 6 Av Exp) - JC - Coney: QBL Exp - 53rd St, 6 Av/Culver Lcl (Deinterlines the merge at Queens Plaza bringing F back to that station while Orange Q covers the 63rd Street portion) - 71 Av - Brighton Beach: QBL Lcl - 63rd St, 6 Av/Brighton Exp (Nostalgia, why not?) - Astoria - Coney: Astoria Line - 60 St, Bway/4 Av Exp - Sea Beach (with Broadway Local to CPW local and Queens bound trains on the Broadway Express, N train may now skip 49 Street) - 71 Av - Bay Ridge-95 St: QBL Lcl - 60 St, Bway/4 Av Exp (4 Av Lcl south of 36 St with vanshook’s proposed switches. Also R follows the Broadway Express trend as N) - 168 St - Coney: CPW/Bway Lcl - Montague St - 4 Av Lcl - West End (From 57 St - 7 Av the local tracks could connect to 59 St - Columbus Circle and go local to CPW) - JC - Broad St - Jamaica Lcl - JC - Broad St - Jamaica Exp (Who needs the Z train?) Brown M - Metropolitan Av - Chambers St: Myrtle Av Lcl OR - 96 St - Metropolitan Av: 2 Av Line - 63rd St , 6 Av/Myrtle Av Lcl (This could be our quick fix to fill the void in 2 Av, at least until the T shows up and replaces Orange M thus putting it back to brown.) - 125 St - Euclid Av: 2 Av/Fulton St Lcl - The unused tracks at Hoyt-Schimmerhorn that lead to Court St are connected to Hanover Sq from 2 Av I make this thread with the belief that 2 Av Subway is flawed and should be modified. Food for thought. Agree? Disagree? They will never use those tracks that lead up to court street st for revenue service (aka the transit museum) ever again. Been closed for decades. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulturious Posted April 20, 2022 Share #3 Posted April 20, 2022 10 hours ago, MTA Researcher said: A Theoretical Solution For NYC Subway (Discussion) - 207 - Lefferts: CPW/8 Av/Fulton St Exp (I wonder if Far Rock A and Lefferts E is a better choice?) - BPB - WTC: Concourse Lcl, CPW/8 Av Lcl (50 St upper level is served, Concourse Yard is its home, E merges with A to Express, CPW Local belongs to 8 Av Lcl and Broadway Lcl) - 179 - Far Rockaway: QBL Exp - 53rd St - 8 Av/Fulton St Exp (If E goes to Far Rock, it has to go to 179 St and swap with F in northern queens. I actually am debating putting A to Far Rock and E to Lefferts if E goes to 179 St) - 205 - Coney: Concourse RH Exp, CPW/6 Av Exp, Brighton Local (Here B gives Bronx direct access to Coney Island, also CPW Exp belongs to 8 Av Exp and 6 Av Exp) - JC - Coney: QBL Exp - 53rd St, 6 Av/Culver Lcl (Deinterlines the merge at Queens Plaza bringing F back to that station while Orange Q covers the 63rd Street portion) - 71 Av - Brighton Beach: QBL Lcl - 63rd St, 6 Av/Brighton Exp (Nostalgia, why not?) - Astoria - Coney: Astoria Line - 60 St, Bway/4 Av Exp - Sea Beach (with Broadway Local to CPW local and Queens bound trains on the Broadway Express, N train may now skip 49 Street) - 71 Av - Bay Ridge-95 St: QBL Lcl - 60 St, Bway/4 Av Exp (4 Av Lcl south of 36 St with vanshook’s proposed switches. Also R follows the Broadway Express trend as N) - 168 St - Coney: CPW/Bway Lcl - Montague St - 4 Av Lcl - West End (From 57 St - 7 Av the local tracks could connect to 59 St - Columbus Circle and go local to CPW) - JC - Broad St - Jamaica Lcl - JC - Broad St - Jamaica Exp (Who needs the Z train?) Brown M - Metropolitan Av - Chambers St: Myrtle Av Lcl OR - 96 St - Metropolitan Av: 2 Av Line - 63rd St , 6 Av/Myrtle Av Lcl (This could be our quick fix to fill the void in 2 Av, at least until the T shows up and replaces Orange M thus putting it back to brown.) - 125 St - Euclid Av: 2 Av/Fulton St Lcl - The unused tracks at Hoyt-Schimmerhorn that lead to Court St are connected to Hanover Sq from 2 Av I make this thread with the belief that 2 Av Subway is flawed and should be modified. Food for thought. Agree? Disagree? Swap the and 's southern terminal, let the continue to Far Rockaway which can also serve Rockaway Park while the serves Lefferts as it's already running a fairly long distance. Not exactly sure how well this is going to work mainly because I doubt the will be able to serve Concourse full time instead of rush hour only. There's also the issue of the lack of a 2nd local service so who knows how frequent the is going to be running. The only other issue is that this line most likely cannot serve outside of weekdays Might as well call the a because it's been around longer for full time service. Why are the and 's northern terminal swapped? The only way for the to run is if there is express a 3rd track east of Broadway Junction, unfortunately there isn't. If you were to build a new track that runs directly along Jamaica Av from Broadway Junction leading to Cypress Hills station, this can theoretically work. The only downside is that stations along the Fulton St portion would not get any kind of express service. The and are going to have issues with each other because of the merge between Rockefeller Center and Lexington Av-63 St. The is coming from the local tracks while the is coming from the express tracks with both splitting up immediately after 57 St. Something about this needs to change. Brighton riders also prefer Broadway service over 6 Av service. This last bit doesn't really matter much, but it's definitely a factor the MTA would have to consider nonetheless. As for the Brown M, there's definitely no way that is going to return. The is a revolutionary line that gave Brooklyn-Broadway and Myrtle Av riders direct access going uptown. The Brown M is not going to make a return unless something forces it to return such as a severed connection of the Chrystie St tunnel to Broadway-Lafayette St. No issues with how the and are running. The is definitely going to see an increase in ridership with direct express service north of 36 St all the way into and through Manhattan. The is an interesting case, the new connection from Broadway to CPW is definitely something worth an investment. However, there's no way the is going to have a connection to Columbus Circle station, it's going to be a rather right curve to construct. The only other thing I have to say is that some of these ideas are cool concepts while others being questionable. The SAS is definitely flawed, at least the current layout projected. Although that wasn't an enough reason to go and make a separate thread. That thread already exists here: 5 hours ago, Joel Powers said: They will never use those tracks that lead up to court street st for revenue service (aka the transit museum) ever again. Been closed for decades. You literally cannot know whether or not Court St will be used again. The decision is up to the MTA themselves, just because it's been closed for decades, it doesn't mean they can never again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtatransit Posted April 20, 2022 Share #4 Posted April 20, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Vulturious said: You literally cannot know whether or not Court St will be used again. The decision is up to the MTA themselves, just because it's been closed for decades, it doesn't mean they can never again. Judging from the recent actions made by the MTA (partially walling off the abandoned platforms) its safe to say, it won't be used again in revenue service. Second Avenue subway past Phase II is a pipe dream anyways, We'll be lucky we get phase II done by the end of 2030s Edited April 20, 2022 by Mtatransit 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTA Researcher Posted April 21, 2022 Author Share #5 Posted April 21, 2022 I will copy and paste the OP and 1 other idea into the thread you suggested. Thanks for informing me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienThommy Posted November 28, 2022 Share #6 Posted November 28, 2022 I've made a made of the proposal - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1h2QRmMZ557Vv5JMEDcs0VVA1Qr8aNF7B/view?usp=sharing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienThommy Posted November 28, 2022 Share #7 Posted November 28, 2022 Just now, AlienThommy said: I've made a made of the proposal - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1h2QRmMZ557Vv5JMEDcs0VVA1Qr8aNF7B/view?usp=sharing *map 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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