MysteriousBtrain

5 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

Lack of yard space? What???

Clifton is right down the road and you have all of the unused platform space at St. George for more storage.

Idk how you manage to propose some of the most absurd things, but I doubt we can squeeze LRT onto a small mainline rail yard (by FRA regulations).

Another thing I also failed to see you note is how would there be access to Clifton if the only way to access it is by street operations (where traffic is beyond flooded with buses) or sharing track with SIR (which you gotta figure out how to connect HRV with LRV safely, not even mentioning the power source we plan on using, as third rail is almost impossible for LRV use).

Jeez I knew there was a reason I stay away from the subway side of the forums. Now I feel obligated to point out the difference between the pilot and prototype trains.

Pilot: testing out a brand new model to make sure there are not any faults in the production models that would delay delivery of the train

Prototype: testing BRAND NEW FEATURES that were never introduced before, specifically to the public, getting feedback, and incorporating it to a future design.

Common sense would also indicate that there is no need for a 30 day test for a train that only consists of one or two full length train.

54 minutes ago, Gotham Bus Co. said:

 

I see the NYC Ferry system eventually becoming the MTA Boat Company.

Trust me, we don't need MBTA over there.

It should be noted that as of today's bus committee presentation, it's said that the 60 AEBs (4965-5024) is underway for acceptance for 4 depots. That means there is another cut besides Jamaica depot. Most likely the cut depot is Charleston or ENY as the other 3 have tested a kind of XE bus, the latter I'm going with bc I'm not sure ENY finished with construction with their own projects there yet.

6 minutes ago, Ex696 said:

Also, should they have tried expanding the B49 Limited before it's likely impending discontinuation from this redesign?

Besides towards kbcc, it's largely useless. Nearly half of the (uptown) route is already duplicated by the B44-SBS

5 hours ago, Iron Valiant said:

Can we only post if we’re certain a bus is retired?

And not speculation and what you think should be retired please. It's fine to go off topic every once in awhile but also I don't need to come here to see what I need to put in my scrap list and there's nothing relevant at all for any of us.

For that just use the random thoughts thread:

https://www.nyctransitforums.com/topic/26457-bus-random-thoughts-thread/

Most I seen in this "update" is that they'll be done with outreach by the end of spring 2024.

25 minutes ago, 40 to 241st said:

Thanks for letting me know anyways we have the Bx15 we can extend that. 

Since the Bx15 somehow became even shorter than the Bx41 it would be a good candidate to go into LaGuardia. Needs to be a little bit more useful than being a "Third Avenue bus"

1 hour ago, SevenEleven said:

2416 is at UP, never went to LaGuardia. GPS bugged out. 

This is exactly why we keep telling people don't rely on bots or trackers and see it in person.

Not mentioned but 1204 KB->WF. Official transfer as of the last couple days 

2 hours ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

I am not a fan of the QM5 staying on Union Turnpike. Instead of it looping around 64th Ave to head back to Union Turnpike the route should continue north on 188th street and make a left on the Horace Harding and I would have the QM5 serve a new area that doesn’t have express service. My QM5 would stop at Utopia Parkway, 164th street, Parsons Blvd, Kissena Blvd, 150th Street and Main Street then it will continue onto the L.I.E to Midtown. The QM1 would pick up the slack on Union Turnpike between 188th street and Main Street along with the QM6. 

As long as we're on this topic, the QM Union Tpke routes in the new plan was actually the one good exp proposal. Imo should have kept it like that. 

Another thing I would change is giving the QM63/64/68 direct access to Bellevue during AM hours. It's easy access from FDR and idk why it would be skipped if the stop is retained during PM hrs. (Although 2 Av is the added, I don't see this stop being a suitable replacement if there's enough Bellevue riders that complain.)

22 minutes ago, RSMG106 said:

4951, 4962: Michael J. Quill to Grand Avenue. 

Bold is currently on the M86

2 hours ago, danielhg121 said:

Having visited the ECH scrap lot recently. It looks like they may preserve 3667 or 3750 but probably too early to tell. 

On a side note, the buses listed on the front page of the scrapped equipment, may still be preserved for one reason or another so how does one know if they're "scrapped" so to speak? For example, 1205 is still there on hold but a lot of those NGs are gone. 

Scrapped is another word for retired until it's official the MTA Is saving that unit 

2 minutes ago, JoshTheScrub said:

It's sad, a lot of people I see on the bus usually don't pay their fares and bus drivers don't say anything. I see they implementing congestion pricing to gain back their revenue lost from fare evasion but idk, this is gonna keep happening unless they make the bus free or lower the fare price.

The main problem is fare evasion is pushed to us so rare nearly everyone said f**k it and dosent pay. If the MTA isn't gonna make you pay why bother. Even NYPD doesn't always give tickets and let people through. And when the authorities are challenged it's never anyone staying "up to 7 years in prison". If the policies were pushed it wouldn't be as big a problem as today but crime is at a point where NYPD can't keep up and it's clearly not hidden.

37 minutes ago, Gotham Bus Co. said:

 

I like that idea, too, but the NIMBYs along 73rd Avenue (west of 188th) don't like it at all.

 

I might have made this Q75 an extension of the  (via Jewel, 164th, Horace Harding). 

The first part, I felt NIMBYs had a huge play in the Q73 not being a factor in the final plan.

The second part, idk I thought that too bit if it was gonna go further east I would give it a LTD variant. But the current eastern terminal is good as is

What I may be more interested in is if the Q64 was able to be extended west connecting Glendale Mall to Forest Hills for easier connections of the mall and the . (One could argue or won't really do much but it's also a way to take ease from the long ride to Victor Moore so I feel 50/50 on this).

2 hours ago, Nonaggression said:

What happened to the XD40/Conehead Deliveries I know it’s the first day of 2024 but they those Old Gens should NOT be alive anymore 

If you have to ask why the OGs are still alive, you don't know how retirement/delivery works

The NG units are beat up bad, and MTA is just getting to retire the remainder of the OGs. Be patient.

4 hours ago, IAlam said:

The Q75 really should be going to Forest Hills, Forest Hills and Fresh Meadows are both destinations, and Q88 passengers having to ride a long haul for a local stop are just getting shafted at this point. Forest Hills would be a better destination and can supplement the Q64 which is ridiculously crowded.

Hmm, the Q75 via 73 Av to Forest Hills sounds ok. 

Or basically, a Q73/75 combo.

I never read up on anything about NYCT getting another CNG order after the XN60s. Only AEB, Diesel, and/or Diesel Hybrid. 

I have 110 CNGs for MTA in my latest update, but the last time I did an update was months ago, around the MTA LFS and Xcelsior options were exercised. These buses were not included in the 2020-24 or 2025-29 plans iirc, just proposals.

15 minutes ago, RSMG106 said:

Apparently, the decided to cancel the 155 CNG order for New York City Transit. As for Bus, the 228 CNG order has been reduced to 110. The reason for this is because they wanted to fund the Bus XD40s and LFSes.

It is very disappointing to hear because they are confident in buying more electrics then to add one last CNG order into their fleet. Originally they were to get 383 CNGs. 155 for NYCT, and 228 for Bus Co. Now this is not the case, as Bus Co. will only have 110 CNGs to replace most C40LFs. Spring Creek will get the bulk of that order, while College Point will get some. If the gets awarded with more electrics, then College Point will get the bulk of it to replace their remaining C40LFs.

That's info from the latest committee book or something?

I did remember hearing about a proposal for 200+ cngs for MTA, don't remember about NYCT; thought they were gonna be phased out by AEBs (specifically, the WF batch)

49 minutes ago, xD4nn said:

Kew Gardens doesn't make any sense either. They aren't going to change jack after this final plan since they claim that west of QCC has "greater ridership". My guess for them rerouting it to Briarwood is so that it can still be based out of JA. It would be horrible to base it out of QV. QV is way too far and they can't do street reliefs since it goes nowhere near QV. Jamaica is the better option and schedules have decreased on the Q75 in favor of greater service on the Q30 so I don't see why it can't be based out of JA.

There may still be changes here and there similar to the Bx28/34. Remember this is a proposed final plan as there may still be a bit of pushback, especially at Floral Park.

8 minutes ago, Q43LTD said:

I have a feeling may not do the same for Manhattan or Staten Island. This whole rush, LTD, local and SBS/crosstown bit

I feel for Staten Island, it won't be (exactly) the same, just most limiteds turning into rush routes if that makes sense. Most route basically run in that matter, but the S93 may stay a Limited for stops sake.

6 minutes ago, Q43LTD said:

Overall, I'm half disappointed, half relieved at this proposed final plan. 

That's basically how I feel

Also I'm not saying this should happen, but the Q17 being rush along Kissena and Horace Harding feels like a missed opportunity. Guess it's because of the high ridership in both areas so I can't be mad.

As the Queens redesign gets closer to implementation, one thing I thought would be interesting is the idea of how much different the Bronx redesign might be if they was the ones to implement Rush routes first. Here's the changes in the system I had in mind in the style of the Queens and Brooklyn Bus redesign:

Bx1 Limited: all current stops; but added Sunday Limited service from 10AM-6PM similar to Saturday service, evening local service

Bx7 Rush: limited stops south of 225 St (requires expanded Bx20 or M100 extension) or 207 St, stopping only at 191 St, 181 St, GWB bus terminal and 168 St. Local replacement: M100 and/or Bx20

Bx21 Rush: Selected stops on 3 Av only, stopping at 138 St, 148 St, Westchester Av/150 St, and 163 St. Local replacement: Bx2/15

Bx22 Rush: it can either be nonstop from Bronx Park East or Southern Blvd all the way to 3 Av. Local replacement: Bx12

Bx26 Rush: service would be provided at least during peak hours on Allerton Av, evening and weekend service all stops. Nonstop between Bartow Av and Boston Rd, with only one stop at Eastchester Rd. Local replacement: Bx25

Bx28 Limited: would be only making select stops on Gun Hill Road during weekdays, evening and weekend service all stops. Limited stops between Bainbridge Av and Bartow Av, including Webster Av, White Plains Rd, Bronxwood Av, Boston Rd, Gun Hill Road , and Eastchester Rd. Local replacement: Bx38

Bx40 Limited: Daily limited stops from approximately 6AM-9PM weekdays and 7:30AM-8PM weekends between Grand concourse and Bruckner Blvd. Limited stops include Webster Av, 3 Av, Crotona Av, Southern Blvd, Morris Park, Unionport Rd, Castle Hill Av, and Westchester Av. Local replacement: Bx42

Other proposals that require significant changes:

Bx11 Rush: Requires an extension of the Bx18 to freeman St to be used as a local variant of the Bx11, not including any chance that would need to be done due to the Bx18A/B split. Service could also be under a new separate Bx51 local between 170 St and Freeman St. Bx11 rush stops would be between St Nicholas Av and 174 St , including 170 St and , Webster Av, 3 Av, Crotona Av, and Louis None Bl/Boston Rd. Local replacements: Bx35, Bx18/51, Bx21

Bx12 service split: This would turn the Bx12 into 3 separate routes from the current 4 branches (including the Orchard branch). The Bx12 SBS would remain unchanged, a new Bx14 designation would be introduced replacing the Bx12 Local (mimicking the proposed Q5/115), and a new Bx52 rush route would be introduced to supplement the Bx12 SBS. The Bx52 would make all stops west of Jerome Av. East of Jerome Av, stops would only be at Fordham Plaza, White Plains Rd, Eastchester Rd/Jacobi Medical, and Pelham Bay. All missed stops would be served by the Bx12/14. During summer months, service would be extended to Orchard Beach. Service to Orchard Beach could possibly be supplemented by the Bx14, but to simplify designations, it makes more sense for orchard beach to only use the Bx52. 

Bx19 Local/Bx49 Rush: a proposed Bx19 split, with the Bx19 ending at Bronx terminal Market instead of going to Manhattan and the Bx49 Rush operating between Riverbank Park and West Farms at Southern Blvd/Westchester Av or near Whitlock Av . Bx49 makes all stop in Manhattan, with proposed Bronx Stops at Grand Concourse, 3 Av, Prospect Av/Southern Blvd, Hunts Point Av, and the above West Farms stops

Bx9 Local/Bx59 SBS: another proposed split route, with no Bx19 east of Fordham Plaza and the Bx59 making select stops between Marble Hill and West Farms. Stops include Marble Hill Av/W 230 St, W 225 St/Broadway, Jerome Av, 3 Av/Fordham Plaza, Southern Blvd/E 183 St, E 180 St/Crotona Pkwy, and West Farms .  Local service would be available via the Bx9, Bx12, Bx19, and Bx42.

This got me thinking, if Nova Bus isn't gonna be compatible with the Buy America Act, is the 5 LFSe+ still on their way to delivery? Iirc the 5 buses were to be delivered 4th quarter 2023/early 2024 but plans may have shifted after the fact of no more American operations.

14 minutes ago, RSMG106 said:

The upcoming battery electric order for the will go to New Flyer. The base order calls for 187 XE40s and 18 XE60s. The first option order would include 193 XE40s and 72 XE60s. The second option order would add up to 950 more buses. This brings up to 1,420 buses.

The pilot for the base order will be delivered in January 2025. The XE40 order will start in September of that year, and be completed by July 2027. The XE60 order will be delivered from September to October 2025.

https://new.mta.info/document/129196 (See pages 75-77).

Seems MTA will go straight NF as Proterra and Nova Bus are shifting operations to a point where they aren't able to "build buses anymore". Also to note BYD also provided proposals but doesn't seem like they are able to meet MTA qualifications.