MysteriousBtrain

Adding 6028 as well 

43 minutes ago, xD4nn said:

Would the Q45 stay? It wouldn’t be a bad idea to extend the Q75 in your plan to LIRR little neck vía HH and LNP

The routes I don't mention are the routes I believe will not be touched in the new plan, including the Q45.

The Q45 is basically the Q43 to LN LIRR so it'll be mostly mirroring the Q43 west of LN Pkwy.

6004-6006 are also added with bike racks

1 hour ago, Novabus 5000 said:

The XE40 order is delayed 9 months to March 2024. After the situation at CT Transit, MTA requested NFI install a warning device to go off if the batteries are overheating or are experiencing technical issues. NFI is in the development of said tech. MTA requested the entire order to be delayed and the buses to have the tech new from the factory versus delivering the buses now and retrofitting them once the tech is available. NFI said if the order is delayed, MTA has to pay because of “inflationary costs”. The “adjusted inflationary cost” is an additional $79,890 per bus.

I was hoping by chance the pilot would arrive in the fall to at least test out the bus then by March 2024 the tech is ready and we could proceed with the order. Dosent seem like it's the case though.

56 minutes ago, limitednyc said:

I what the b62 extension. And the the Q63 ?

Honestly I believe the B62 not gonna go no further than Court Sq (we'll be lucky if we keep the route to Queens Plaza) and have it replaced by the Q100.

Q63 is one of the few routes from the proposal I see staying in it's proposed form, besides a possible modification of the eastern terminal 

Another route to mention that wasn't already, the Q88. I see it not changing from today's current route.

Here's how I feel the proposed routes would be changed from the new draft to the final draft: 

Q1: will be kept between Braddock Av and Jamaica LIRR, and also replace the Q43 west of Jamaica bus terminal (see Q43)

Q5/86: The Rosedale branch will remain a rush route and the Q86 becomes the local route, similar to today's Q5.

Q6: Q6 will be kept, but go to JFK so the Q7 can serve the entirety of Rockaway Blvd like the current proposal.

Q10: somehow someway, they will merge all services into a "limited", but thankfully will not be merged with the Q64

Q11/21: The Q11 Howard/Hamilton Beach loop will stay, the Q21 stays the way it is with no Elmhurst extension but with added frequency. 

Q14/23: The Q14 I see them keeping somehow that way the Q23 could "remain on 108 St". Besides that the Q23 will go back to it's original route

Q15/19: Will remain their current routes besides the 108 St/Roosevelt Av portion of the Q19. Q15A effectively become the Q15A with the Q20 still serving Beechhurst. 

Q16: I see the Utopia Pkwy branch to Bay Terrace surviving 

Q17/25:  The Q17 will take the northern portion of the Q25 and remain between College Point and around Horace Harding/188 St 

Q25: all services will remain except for the portion north of CP depot. 

Q26/27: only thing I see changing is the Q27 ending at QCC while the Q26 uses HHE instead of 73 Av.

Q29/80: Q29 will effectively remain, but as the Q80 route extended to Elmhurst

Q30: remains, but don't see service east of QCC and outside of weekdays 

Q34/61: see the Q61 remaining but with expanded hrs

Q36/82/110: they will go through with the Q36/110 swap which means they will keep the Q82, not bring back the Q36, and have the Q110 go to LNP/Hillside Av.

Q41: will be brought back due to community opposition

Q43: cut back to Jamaica Bus terminal as justification for having the Q1 be more "useful"

Q46/48: one route will be the local, the other a rush, most likely Q46 local and Q48 rush 

Q52/53: remains as is 

Q62: most likely eliminated and merged into the Q16/28

Q64/73: even though the Q10/64 merger is gone, the MTA will try to do a Q64 extension of some sort, which will result in either a westward extension on the Q23 route to Union Tpke, or an eastward extension to the QCC area using 73 Av, eliminating the need for the Q73

Q65: the new design route will remain between Flushing and 46 Av, and the route will remain the same south of 46 Av

Q68/101/B24/B57: I can see the Q101 remaining, and as a result the B24 will stay but the southern portion will be extended to Jackson Heights, "eliminating the need for the B57 extension". 

Q75: will essentially be the Q30 to LNP, and operate on 188 St instead of Utopia Pkwy. 

Q100: remains

Q102/105: survives as a Roosevelt Island - QBP shuttle, the Q105 remains to the Q101 terminal

Q104: keeps current route. Although if the B24 does not survive, I can see the Q104 being extended to WBP to replace it

Q112: see it remaining with an extension to Euclid Av to replace the Q7. 

To start things off, as bus routes on major bridges become equiped with bike racks, this will be a thread to keep track of all the buses equipped or gonna be equipped with bike racks. Here is a list of buses with racks as of 7/16/2023:

2009 Orion NG: 4020-4021, 4023-4037, 4140-4142, 4247, 4345, 4485-4488,

2011 Orion 3G: 7053-7063

2015-16 NovaBus LFS: 8231-8256

2016-17 NovaBus LFSA: 5463

2016-17 New Flyer XD60: 5991, 6003, 6013, 6016, 6026

2018-19 NovaBus LFS: 8609

27 minutes ago, 40 to 241st said:

I already proved that I made no  lies with what I said and I have no reason to care about you calling one of my comparisons bastadization. I already explained to you why I brought in those bee-line routes and speaking of bad comparisons how come you compare how long a JFK to Bronx route is to running a bus from NYC to Tijuana  lol. But I do see your trying to get me to find the basic point of why a Bronx to JFK route should not exist.
 

 

The real problem here is not that I am mad that you called my comparison a bastardization. It’s that I brought in one that you made and you don’t want to accept what you did wrong even though I should have brought that up in the other thread. I could easily say how your bee-line comparison was like mine with the Bronx to JFK route. 
I honestly can’t care less if I am wrong with something I accepted what I am wrong with and not once did I say there’s no bus to JFK I said in Jamaica where the q44 stops I thought it had no transfer to a bus that goes to JFK I’m not putting this in exact words because  because you didn’t understand what I said in the other post . The fact that you called me “Mr there’s no bus to JFK” shows that your assuming my gender. How do you know that I am a male lol. 

I realized that this Bronx to JFK idea might actually not work you proved a good point but while the proposed Q10 is long and a Bronx to Jfk is even longer but the purpose was to connect the Bronx to JFK this might not work out the way I want that type of route would but why wouldn’t people want making a long route more easy to do by making it a limited stops route. 

 

 

Me trying to read all this: 

Let's say for consumers sake there is demand for a Bronx - JFK bus. That's not the MTA's job. There are other companies that are able to serve the airport. This Bronx - JFK work should go to a private company that makes intermediate stops in busy areas. There's already a handful that go to PABT/Penn station so this is not impossible.

2 hours ago, 40 to 241st said:

But arguing that a route like that should not exist because it would go through a lot queens  is like saying the q44 should not go to Fordham  because it would go through a lot of the Bronx. 

.......

The Q44 dosent even go 6 miles (in the Bronx) with the extension while this proposed route is double the Q44's TOTAL size

Buses equipped with bike racks as of 7/8/2023 (corrections welcome): 

4020-4037, 4140-4142, 4247, 4345, 4485-4488, 5463, 5991, 6003, 6016, 7053-7063, 8231-8256

So I decided to see if there was any updates on recent deliveries according to the MTA and I came across something interesting from the MTA website updated as of July 5, 2023: 

Event #: B40695

Description: Furnish and deliver 250 over-the-road express diesel buses

Manufacturer: Prevost Car (US) Inc

Event #: 404497

Description: Lease of five over-the-road battery electric buses for test and evaluation

Manufacturer: Van Hool/ABC Companies

Source: 

https://new.mta.info/doing-business-with-us/procurement/new-york-city-transit/sole-source

Anyone know about Prevost and Van Hool deliveries for MTA? 

6014 heavily damaged in an accident this morning. Damage indicates retirement/oos

6020 in local scheme 

5991 equipped with bike racks

7 hours ago, MHV9218 said:

I mean, I wish, I want Proterra to succeed, but they're doing terribly. The SEPTA situation was a disaster and pointed to real structural problems with their design. And they only have one design.

We also said Gillig was not gonna come back to NYC (well the area) and in a way they did. Never say never. Also CTA looks like it's trying to shift into a Proterra agency especially now that NovaBus will be out the market so I'm not gonna out rule them at all even with the lemons at SEPTA. 

Remember it's been a couple years and they recently introduced "a new model" so things could definitely change in the future.

3 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

Am I the only one who thinks no bus route should be free?

Try asking that to everyone located in the Bronx, Brooklyn and Staten Island. 

So apparently the Q78 and Q82 are online on MTA bus time but without any official stops. Only the neighborhood terminals and main street corridor are listed, which are Springfield Blvd and Hillside Av respectively.

Update: Originally planned for release at the end of June, the Queens bus redesign final plan release date is delayed to late summer, no later than labor day. This is due to the input from Queens residents being "invaluable in informing the development of the Proposed Final Plan."

The team will be reaching out to every Queens community board with requests to present in September or October, with the MTA holding a public hearing later in the fall.

In case anyone is wondering about assignments, they are as follows:

MTA Bus Novabus LFS order: 8964-9271 

136 JFK

46 BP

100 LGA, 

26 TBD

MTA Bus New Flyer XD40 order: 9282-9387

42 to JFK

34 to ECH

40 to LGA

14 minutes ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

Do we know that for sure because just because BP is currently doing testing doesn’t mean JFK or even LGA can’t get the first units. 

Because that's definitely how deliveries with new bus models exactly works. All MTA bus depots need training on the new units and need a unit to train in before "getting their batch".

6000 spotted in the local scheme at today's Puerto Rican parade 

6010 local scheme 

Update from Capital program meeting as of May 2023: 

126 HEV LFS order: completed

209 Diesel LFS order: 193/209 delivered, expected completion June 2023

23 Prevost X3-45 order: completed 

139 XD40 order: completed 

135 MTAB diesel LFS order: delivery expected June 2023-October 2023

5 BTE LFSe+ order: delivery expected 09/2024, notes a delay due to supply chain issues to the ESS system. Expected completion September 2024

173 MTAB diesel LFS order: delivery expected November 2023-July 2024 

116 MTAB XD40 order: delivery expected July 2023-May 2024 

60 XE40 order: Evaluation is delayed due to testing, force majeure, technical changes (NHTSA recall). Planned completion 3Q2024, a 10‐month slip. Expected completion September 2024

Future orders: 

245 NYCT artic buses

250 MTAB Diesel express buses 

92 NYCT Diesel express buses 

470 Battery electric buses (90 Artic NYCT+355 standard NYCT+25 standard MTAB)

10 NYCT Battery electric buses (noted as 5 new express units and additional 5 buses tbd)

110 MTA standard CNG units 

Other notes: 

Digital Information Screens (Phase II): Phase II consists of 953 buses retrofitted with DIS. By the end of the year, approximately 4,700 buses will have DIS.

Bike Racks:

110 buses are being retrofitted. Expected completion Q3 2023

10 minutes ago, TransitMan0251 said:

135 buses confirmed on order for MTA BUS / NOVA LFS 

• BP - 46 (8964-9009)
• JFK - 89 (9010-9098)

Is this supposed to be the intended assignments as of recent? 

I'm also assuming delivery is intended for over the summer (no later than August)