MysteriousBtrain

Surprised nothing was mentioned about the 90 electric bus order, which would most likely be XE60s. Those buses was supposed to be delivered beginning in 2024.

Ok putting the remaining thoughts I have on the other half of the local routes

Q51: I'm just kinda laughing bc the Q51 is one of the few routes bound to al least have decent ridership. Wonder if simple adjustments to the Q9A/89 and properly ending it at the subway would have saved it up to this moment.

Q52/53: so much tampering only for it to just be left alone. How ironic /s

Q54: how funny it would have been if the Q38 or even the Q14 extended to WBP while the Q54 ended at FP and metropolitan? Feel like it could have made things better using either or.

Q55. So basically a couple blocks extension. Does myrtle Av need an extension this far east? Shortest extension would at least be at Jamaica -Van Wick if so.

Q56: nothing for me to note

Q58/98: only thing I see is division of ridership (in Corona). Q58 could have been it's own idea like in the previous redesign.

Q59: the west portion (in Brooklyn) seems pointless now

Q60: Think if the MTA takes away a few more stops this route could qualify for a conversion to a limited (according to the redesign)?

Q61: all I'm seeing is a relabeled Q34 made to absorb part of the Q16.

Q62: idk what I'm seeing, but if there's something that sounds like a pita, it's a Flushing - Beechurst route via College Point

Q63: literally the Q66 is it not?

Q64: Probably the best if left intact. Got me thinking though, would an extension to Atlas Mall or Queens Center would be worth it (rather the former than the latter)

Q65: Like the cut north of flushing

Q66: so a little reroute and no stops on bs segments make it a rush? You can't tell me Northern Blvd wouldn't want some kind of SBS service. Ridership should be around to at least make qualifications

Q67: nothing to note

Q68: B24 split is ok, just thinking exactly how can you exactly terminate a Q68 in a decent enough area in Queens? Queens plaza? Steinway? The current terminal?

Q69: now it absorbed the Q100. Think it would work out if the MTA monitors this route good (they won't)

Q70: it really needs a comment?

Q72: I don't think it really has business being extended in a Queens Center loop

Q75: LOL I can't believe they made a decent Q75 into some stupid Union Turnpike variant. There was nothing wrong with the Q17/75 plan in the new draft. Pretty sure this is really only around because of the complaints about the Q17 and there was extra left over and needed to make a route for job and union purposes 

Q76: feels indifferent to me

Q77: so since there's no Q78 anymore, an extension south would make everything satisfying for coverage purposes? Might as well make a Bay Terrace-Queens village route with the Q75 money you're pointlessly spending

Q82: I took it as an inside joke and said, how many Q2s can we split to get that Jamaica Av route?

Q83: see they caught me off guard. The proposed Q83 would maintain its existing routing" but they don't mention the Q83 late night service to Queens Village being permanently discontinued. Not that I care for it.

Q84/85: kinda fin having the Q5 do all their Merrick work to make these routes faster. 

Q86/87: so now there the Q5, plus the Q84-87. Well whatever line goes to Rosedale (I don't remember which one) looks like a bit of an improvement 

Q88: one has to wonder if the Q73 survived would it even be in 73 Av before Queens Village?

Q101: well MOST of this route remains. Ik 2 Av is not exactly the routes highest ridership generator so

Q102/104/105: listen I'm just glad Roosevelt Island service isn't "merged with another corridor" and the Q104 is one of those routes I don't mind serving it since it's kind of an unofficial Astoria Shuttle.

Q103: always thought this route should stay, but I am open to a Court Sq reroute 

Q110: Basically a way to straighten Jamaica Av service. as long as it's not the monster of a Q57.

Q111-115: those riders that want straight Far Rockaway - Jamaica service gonna be mad. Only thing I really find interested is the Q111 short turn gets its own route name.

B53: sure but my question is why merge a Broadway (Brooklyn) and Williamsburg West- Queens connector route?

B57: now seeing it cut back to Downtown Brooklyn since the Brooklyn redesign, I'm not gonna say I don't like it as much as before, just wanna say there's something else that many others pointed out that make it feel off

B62: for the love of, why is this the one thing that remains in this redesign?

Since I got to reviewing the map the last couple days I'll give my final thoughts on the proposed changes:

Q1: Glad they did not combine it with the Q6 as well as extended it to the LIRR

Q2: Indifferent about it

Q3: it's funny bc I still feel like they planning on having this jfk route change permanent even if they don't outright say it anymore 

Q4: disappointed with the Elmont cut back

Q5: They turned it into the Q115 of Merrick Blvd. Looks fine to me

Q6: see Q1

Q7: Would have liked it to go at least up to JFK Depot or around there

Q8: you guys thing riders prefer the 3 over the mall? The demand is there, the question is what route?

Q9: baffled how it got one bs extension in favor of the Q37 extension.

Q10: glad it's not being combined with the Q64

Q11: if nobody pointed it out, I would have missed the part where 3 routes are put into 1 (the Q11 branches+ Q21). That said, I'm trying to figure out where exactly it terminates. It looks like it goes via Hamilton Beach, then terminates at Old Howard Beach. If I'm even understanding it correctly. Lord, if I'm confused af about the terminals, imagine the headaches the riders here will feel.

Q12/13: basically swapped western routes, with the Q13 having the rush portion  

Q14: I knew I wasn't bugging when I saw the Q14 end at Fresh Pond (not the station or depot)

Q15: so basically the old 14 is back just "more direct" with the Q62 replacing the remaining segment. Ehh

Q16: it never really made sense why the Q16 had 2 branches but no lettering to reflect it. I did feel the Willets point branch the weakest though.

Q17: one thing I'm starting to notice starting here is how most of the Limited routes are basically just rebranded locals on busy corridors for the most part. Also don't see why the Q17 needs to be a thing sounds of Horace Harding when you (had) the Q75, more in a bit when I get to the Q75

Q18: just straightened out in maspeth

Q19: how easy it would have been to have the Q19 absorbed most of the Q48 bus invuyriders weren't having it

Q20: is 14 Av more served than 20 Av? Seems more like 14 Av is just around for coverage

Q22: we all saw the cut west of 116 coming

Q23: this is a route I'm glad was cut, both in the current stand redesign 

Q24: another route we saw getting cut, but in favor of another bus route

Q25: I kinda liked the idea of a Q25 split at Flushing. But if there's a Q62 that'll mimic some of the route north, I guess there's no need

Q26: speaking of split at Flushing, the Q65 North will be absorbed into the lighter route, which I see as a W

Q27: no more Holly Av is all I care about

Q28: Another rush route barely changed, just "faster service

Q29: no more discontinuation and just basically unchanged

Q30: let's see if there's gonna be any protests about losing Little Neck service

Q31: the straightening seems good on paper, not sure how Bayside residents gonna feel

Q32: is this the only route that's gonna skipping the "Queensboro Plaza segment"? (Just checked slightly before posting and thank God the Q60 doing the same thing)

Q33: welcome back to LGA, but it's the other side instead

Q35: saw coming

Q36: I don't hate that the Q36 stays in this form

Q37: ok, so if the Q37 "needs" to go to JFK, just make a separate branch for it, probably like a Q97 using the Q37 north of Rockaway Blvd and the 130 Av branch of the Q10 south and bypassing Aqueduct. Only reason I see this extension came to be is for interlining with the Q10 and possible conversion to artics

Q38: only the south segment remains 

Q39: nothing I notice changing

Q40: anything changed before beside the rush and the minor reroute no longer happening?

Q41: no more Q109 and the Howard Beach segment remaining

Q42: no more worthless extension to the hospital

Q43: could care less about adding an LIJ segment

Q44: the Fordham segment could be a different route if it even will be a route anymore

Q45/46/48: new routes all for the purpose of tryna divide the Union Tpke ridership. At least that Q23 extension/reroute no longer happening

Q47: basically taking the Q33 to 94 St, but would a longer segment really be worth it?

Q49: could have sworn this route was proposed originally as a LTD, too lazy to check

Q50: has no business going on Roosevelt and 108.

Will cover the remainder of the routes in a later post to reduce clutter, need a break from all this typing anyway 

4965 MQ to GA, currently on B62

Yup, that fake map that the other guy made? I definitely wish that was real.

-Don't know why they made the Q48/50 combination even more of a "combination", as in now the Q50 absorbs the ENTIRE Q48 route

-The Q5/86/87 fantasy plan is a reality, and that I like 

-Extending the Q37 is somehow better than extending the Q9

-Don't hate the Q11/21 combo

-At least the Q31 is straighter

-the Q33 goes to Term A and nb service is on 81 st, replacing the unreliable Q47

-funny how I thought of a similar proposal to the Q36 in this plan, which I referred to as a separate Q86

-no more Q44 to Fordham, which is probably more harm than good

-Q51 is now a LTD and dosent go to BK

-would rather keep the Q58 rerouted up north to Roosevelt

-This new Q63/66 combo? Yeah no. I'm not sure how the Q66 could be a rush when it almost literally could just be a limited route according to the definition of a limited in this plan

-Some of the Q65 is replaced with the Q26, which I like

- I don't know where tf the Q68 ending now (somewhere in Elmhurst not near the subway)

-Not exactly sure how I feel about the new new Q75

-if the Q78 isn't gonna run, might as well just expand Q27 and Q77 service according to the MTA smh

-The Q82 is still here

-I feel the Manhattan portion of the Q101 is the weakest portion of the route and glad it's mostly the same in this plan

-if any route was gonna shuttle through Roosevelt Island, it should be the Q104

-Q105 should just remain as the Q102

-Q110 rerouted to Floral Park. Let's see how this goes

-Q112 extended to Euclid Av to replace the Q7 ig

-the MTA hates the Q113 and is basically absorbed by the Q114, which I saw coming 

-they still TRYING SO HARD to justify the B62 to Astoria 

-Most of the QM routes look untouched, but the QM3 remains discontinued "due to low ridership"

2 minutes ago, 4P3607 said:

Upon downloading the most recently revised draft plan from "November 2023" from multiple sources, it appears it is literally just the March 29, 2022 version being falsely advertised as the most recent update. Not a single change was made since last year. Yet I've been told the newest plan has been released and is publicly available.

Either multiple website have incorrectly linked 2022's version or the most recent update doesn't exist and they're just using last year's version.

The Queens Bus page was not updated as of September 2023. Give it a couple days for it to be officially posted by the MTA.

43 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

Because they refuse to use cars.

Fixed.

You would make your point a lot better if you don't keep bringing up the fact "the old trains need to come back" and just say the trains should be in service. But even so those trains are a safety hazard and outdated both mechanically and modernly. I would not want to keep running in a crowded train every time I have to switch sides when going from a side platform to an island platform or something of that nature.

On 12/7/2023 at 9:59 AM, Lawrence St said:

It's not being wrong, it's being logical.

If you didn't work for the TA, and you missed a job interview while waiting for the  and later find out it's because the MTA refuses to use old train cars, you wouldn't be upset?

No I won't be upset because I'm a sad loser that cares about running older trains. I'll be upset because no service is being provided at all.

Ok this time this appears to be legit information, the proposed final plan should be out by next week. 

FYI please see Final Qns Bus Redesign

________________________________
Hello Everyone,

The next report in the Queens Bus Network Redesign initiative, the Proposed Final Plan (PFP), is scheduled to be published in December. In the PFP we further refine the Queens bus network to address the needs of our stakeholders while balancing trade-offs and using network redesign strategies to achieve our customer priorities: Reliable Service, Faster Travel, Better Connections, and Simplified Service.

Following publication, we are inviting all our stakeholders to series of a virtual briefings where we will provide a borough-wide overview of the Proposed Final Plan and discuss our public outreach timeline and process for customer and community input. There will one high level borough/citywide briefing and four quadrant-based briefings where we will provide the overview and then take a deeper dive into the route proposals in each quadrant. If you cannot attend your quadrant briefing, please consider joining us for our boroughwide overview briefing on December 15th.

  *   Wednesday, Dec 13 from 6:30-8:30PM – Northwest Queens (CDs 1,2,3,4)
  *   Thursday, Dec 14 from 6:30-8:30PM – Southwest Queens (CDs 5,6,9,10)
  *   Friday, Dec 15 from 11:30AM – 1PM – Boroughwide and Citywide Groups
  *   Monday, Dec 18 from 6:30-8:30PM – Northeast Queens (CDs 7,8,11)
  *   Tuesday, Dec 19 from 6:30-8:30PM – Southeast Queens (CDs 12,13,14)

In the new year we will conduct several months of outreach. We will be requesting time to present to all Queens community boards and host a series of MTA outreach events. All events and materials will be published to the project website. Stakeholders will also have several months to review and comment on their trips prior to the MTA holding a public hearing.

1 hour ago, EastFlatbushLarry said:

i was thinking the same thing. i figured it was unofficial, i just wanted a link to a clearer image to assess. i don't know why, but i believe they're not even close to an official "final" draft, and that release date will be pushed back further.

There's a PDF that was released for it that is clearer if you want to look at it:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1O2S3c3NDRbgXfH_oRwAFfIbeSaDuKxXl/view?fbclid=IwAR328_tYcV1MFMv7Hb2Jl-stDhRp0Q5Gp4nccJ41x97tDn-dTtUky2F09M4

I would note that this map is obvious that it's fake but a handful of ideas I do like here

1 minute ago, xD4nn said:

Is this it? If so, I think this is some fantasy proposal made by some random person.

 

Yeah that one. That's why I was like I'm not really gonna say it's real unless someone says it's official. I still feel something like this is better than what is proposed now. 

35 minutes ago, limitednyc said:

It sounds like what happened In the bx just some minor changes  + one new route and back to the future pre 2010.

I think overall a lot of changes originally proposed were reverted back, but were still tweaked a bit to account in things like the nonstop rush portions as well as minor things like a couple reroutes that are unnoticed. 

30 minutes ago, TheNextGen2009 said:

So, maybe the 14, 45, 75 are speculated to lean towards that of the ones proposed in the New Draft Plan?

In regards to those 3, they are all called the Q14, Q45 and Q75 and largely mirror their original route, but the route they take is different. Like say for instance the Q45, since the B57 is proposed to take the Q47 portion on 69 St, there is no reason for the Q45 to run along 69th st, so it'll take a different street when operating between Jackson Heights and Grand Av. 

So apparently there's an unofficial redesign floating around I got hands on and I'm feeling like it's an improvement of the network for the most part. Without giving too much away in case it is real without leaking all the info (remember this is all speculation until an official plan is released), here are some highlights from the plan: 

*Many combined routes from the new draft plan are reverted back to the current route they run today

*Some routes are rerouted to a busy corridor and replaced by another nearby route (Corridors include Northern Blvd, Hillside Av, Archer Av)

*Select corridors may include a local only service, with limited/rush routes replacing the local east of its terminal (similar to the Q115)

*Some current routes are split as well, acting as subway feeder routes (namely the College Point - Jamaica Routes) or to dispute service along the busiest parts of the route (Q60/66)

*Included in the plan is a "revival" of the Q14, Q45, Q75, and Q79, but are all not the same as their previous 2010 route

*The N20G could unofficially be "sent to NYCT" under a different name

*A new route between The Hub, Bronx and Jackson Heights via RFK and Astoria is "in the works", but something may have been sacrificed in the second draft plan to make this route a reality 

10 minutes ago, 40 to 241st said:

Holy shit I don’t think you know this but I must tell you that there are 95 Nabi buses so it will most likely  replace that. I don’t want this because I don’t want the entire bus company to be Newflyer buses. But thanks for the update. I find it interesting that they don’t want to replace the remaining Orion V’s but I want to replace the nabi from 2009

The remaining Vs will re replaced by the 10 XDE35, with no replacement planned for the suburbans as Liberty is trying not to run the BxM4C and quietly discontinue it (subject to change).

Ok so there is a 504 Xcelsior already built and awaiting delivery. It seems the Nabis are on there way out and the Bee Line fleet could be 100% Xcelsiors by the end of 2024 

(If we don't count the BxM4C; their replacements are debatable)

41 minutes ago, MTAFoamer said:

Huh? Then what will happen?

The MTA will order buses like they have since the first part of city takeover in 1947.

Probably should have asked this a while back but thinking about it with around 800 artics planned for the next 5 yrs what other routes need artics? Predictions for the converted fleet will be below (with * being routes that normally mostly use artics on a consistent basis as reference):

1

10

11

13*

25

28

29

39*

70*

80

81

87

119*

123

126*

127

128

153*

154

156*

158

159*

361

375

Not sure what exactly the protocol is for buses with glitched out sighs but 7494's driver (the  to Zerega) took himself oos because his signs do not work at all.

But the vianova signs and tracker is still online and doing it's normal route even though he said he was going to the depot (unless repairs like that are for Zerega to fix)

5 hours ago, Kingsbridgeviewer382 said:

So the bus stop changes made to the Q17, Q48, and Q50 in Flushing are now permanent after the opening of the new staircases on the  Train station.

How is the set up now? Everything gonna remain on Main St (in the case of the Q17, at 38th av?)

2 hours ago, Cait Sith said:

Only the battery business has been purchased.

Bus productions are expected to be awarded/bought out on November 13th

6025: local scheme 

I believe 5466 wasn't mentioned so that's another unit added

So according to a (UlmerPark) operator, 2 out of the 5 Electric mta VanHools were spotted. Not comfirmed as of yet if they were mta but an investigation is going underway on this sighting

5991 seen in the local scheme 

On 10/25/2023 at 2:20 AM, Around the Horn said:

Does anyone know what the routing for this (unused?) version of the Bx23 would have been?

35 minutes ago, NBTA said:

More than likely two scenarios. One, via 5, 3, 4, then via Provost/Peartree Avenue, then 233rd (for the 5 train transfer), then via S5th Avenue. Two, if they wanted to keep it as a loop, it’ll have to skip the east side of Co-Op north of Asch Loop, but it would be 5, 4, 3, 1, and 2 in that order, but the same after section 2 to Mount Vernon (Peartree, 233rd, S5th).

Proposed pre-2010 NYCT bus route between Fordham Plaza and Mt Vernon via Norwood-205 st/Muddy Lane. Believe it was intended to replace parts of the Bx31/16 and possibly the W54.