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1 hour ago, bobtehpanda said:

Emphasizing your point in bold doesn't make your point a better point. We see your point, we just don't think it's correct, and at the very least it's misguided; you're missing the forest for the trees.

In a perfect world, we'd rebuild all the junctions to be flying junctions. That being said, converting those to flying junctions would easily be months of disruption and a billion dollars a pop. Between the Second Avenue Subway, East Side Access, modernizing the airports, Gateway, and PABT replacement, where is all this money supposed to come from? Tolls and fares are higher than they've ever been, every level of government is sagging under the weight of interest payments and is not in a mood to spend. Junction replacements will be useful in 2040 by the time we can pay the bills and they're done, but what are we supposed to do till then? Sit on our hands and cry about the lack of service?

I'd also like to bring up the point that grade separation does nothing to fix reliability; even when the subways were doing relatively well, delays on the would knockback onto the  , which would then knockback onto the     , which would then affect the   , basically taking down the entire B-Division except for the  . You will almost never get to 90%+ reliability running the current service patterns with current ridership. It's just not going to happen.

As much as I hate to admit this...but you could never be more right about your #3 point. That's dead true. 

My bad Coney Island Av.

10 hours ago, Coney Island Av said:

I would rather have the  to 207,  to 168,  to Bedford, and  to 205 St, but I am not advocating for this. Leave the  alone.

The  is meant to specifically be a short-turn  so that the full  can speed up. Why does it need to go all the way to and from Bedford Park Blvd for anyway? The shops at 207th Street Yard cannot handle more than 480' feet long trains. Either way, the  would be 480' feet long if it is based out of 207th Street Yard in general if it goes to 168 St instead of Bedford Park Blvd. And besides, it's not like the  is maintained at Concourse Yard or any other northernmost yard anyway. So swapping the  and  terminals is pointless and hardly justifiable. As we both know, like how the  and  are both respectively based out of separate yards, the  and  are also both respectively based out of separate yards. Concourse Yard is only meant for the  only; other lines' cars are just stored there, that's it.

7 hours ago, P3F said:

Sometimes I'm glad that most of the people proposing things here don't work for the . It's amazing how many people hate the idea of convenience.

Why don't y'all move to Toronto? Their subway is doing excellently without that pesky interlining.

Because like Trainmaster5 said, more frequent service comes first and everything else comes second. That's the logical with most rail buffs.

5 hours ago, Trainmaster5 said:

After reading some of the proposals I have to question whether or not customer preference is even considered at all.  The Bronx White Plains Road and Dyre service patterns exist because of customer preference.  The and lines swapped terminals because the Dyre line ridership wanted Lexington service overwhelming and not 7th Avenue service. The upper WPR service was strictly East Side service via Lexington or Third Avenue originally. 7th Avenue service started at the old Bronx Park station and later ran out of the Dyre line after the connection was built at East 180th Street. On the Brooklyn end of the line Flatbush Ave and New Lots swapped late night primary terminals for flexibility and customer preference. I'm sure that there are posters out here who actually remember the uproar after the Chrystie connection when the Broadway service was removed from the Brighton line and 6th Avenue service replaced it. It just seems to me that in this quest to streamline service the customer isn't taken into consideration. Two Lexington services on the Woodlawn line and two 7th Avenue services out of Flatbush.  That's really going to be in the rider's wish list? While the theory may make sense to some extent  in some cases I'm betting that NO ONE from Operations and Planning would come out to the communities affected and propose this in a public forum. I recall a proposal where the would replace the as the Bronx express.  Operationally it would speed trains through the East 180th Street area.  The communities who would be most affected told the to  stick the proposal where the sun don't shine.The theoretical may make sense but the customer must be satisfied first and foremost.  Just my opinion. Your opinion is worth as much as mine.  Carry on. 

Thank you. Running more frequent service isn't necessarily the answer to every transit system in the world in general. Every branch needs a direct one-seat ride without the need to transfer. In other words, time, like money, adds up.

Are there crew rooms at both Brooklyn Bridge-City Hall and Bowling Green respectively?

7 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

And you forget coney island yard needs some R32's as well for the (G), there isn't gonna be enough 8 car ntt trains so they're gonna need some R32's to supplement that line.

Of course there will be enough four-car NTTs to cover the . Remember it runs a total of 13 trains in passenger service and has a total of 5 spare trains. That's 18 trains total.

104 R179s for service + 40 as spares = 144 cars in the  fleet. The last 52 four-car sets in the R179 fleet and the  's R160s can all head for ENY.

Simple.

11 minutes ago, S78 via Hylan said:

I’m not too pleased with that. I was hoping they’d put more 46s on the  .

More R179s have to come for that purpose.

59 minutes ago, 78 via Stew Leonards said:

Whenever I've been at any stop for the  I've always seen more s than s.   I cant think of the last time I remember a  showing up first.

What? That makes no sense. The  showing up immediately after the  has nothing to do with how frequent they run. We're talking about actual headways here. But whatever you say.

2 hours ago, 78 via Stew Leonards said:

Thinking about this for awhile, I don't see any reason why they cant run the  on weekends.  It has better frequencies than the  whenever it runs.

I don't know what you're talking about...the  and  both run the same amount of headways - 10 tph (6 minute headways) during the peak and 6 tph (10 minute headways) during the off-peak...look at the  's printed schedules or the Trip Planner.

30 minutes ago, bobtehpanda said:

Okay, but how you deliver the message also matters. There's no reason to get all shrill and dramatic like a child.

He is actually a child (he admitted this in the chatbox before). But overall, your general point is correct. He has a whole lot to learn when he gets older.

1 hour ago, U-BahnNYC said:

That's interesting - I've always felt the moves much faster between short distances than any other line. That explains it.

Btw does anyone know where, as of right now, trains go fastest? I "feel" like it's the in the 14th street Tube, but inside a tunnel isn't a good measure of speed. There's also that 'dip' on CPW between 103rd and 110th, where the and go noticeably fast.

The and are very slow in that stretch though. The dive after 103rd Street and the rise into 110th Street is where the T/Os often apply the brakes.

9 hours ago, Art Vandelay said:

There are a number of reasons one would prefer the R32s on the A- 
-The AC issue
-R32s handle crowds better than R46s
-Avoiding 2 lengths of the same equipment on the same line helps with regards to proper positioning at stations. 
 

Thank you. Someone gets it.

5 hours ago, Coney Island Av said:

A lot of you think the  is the perfect option for the R32's. You're basically saying, "Yes, the  is long, but that's just about it! Just put them there instead!" Well, the  will have more problems than the  and . Firstly, it is 20 MILES underground, all the way from Inwood to Grant. That's a length that's longer than the , and slightly longer than the 145 St ! Only 10-12 MILES are aboveground, from Grant to the Rockaways. And secondly, before the R46/R32  swap, the R32 s during rush hour usually ONLY RAN TO LEFFERTS. You wanna know why? Because line length is acutally a more severe issue than you think for the R32s.

 

No. Each branch had the same amount of cars.

"More severe issue"

Okay...same can be said for the R46s.

9 hours ago, 4 via Mosholu said:

I think it's due to the former train. The initially ran as ten 60 foot cars from the Grand Concourse Yard while the was only eight 60 foot cars since it was the 168 to WTC service from the 207th Street Overhaul Shop. When the was moved to run in the former train service pattern during the weekend in 1995, that was when it was decided to decrease the car length from ten to eight cars. Therefore, it all comes down to YARDS because some lines cannot accommodate longer train lengths in the car shops.

Thanks for the critical thinking. Appreciate it. It’s really a shame to be honest because subway ridership in general always grows yearly and yet we still have armchair transit experts on social media who say otherwise. Hopefully they’ll do something about the length at the shops at 207th Street real soon. I just find it utterly stupid that the Central Park West, 8th Avenue, and Fulton Street local stations (disregarding the  and ) that they get short-length 480 feet long trains during the daytime and evening hours and full-length 600 feet long trains at night.

Speaking of the , what's the real reason why it has been 480 feet long all these years? Besides the usual vague responses like "eess ridership deem too luu duhhhhh", "dey jus dun hav enough cars, gee ova it duhhhhh" etc?

Will the / go back to making skip-stops between Broadway Junction and Marcy Avenue when the 's Myrtle Avenue Line reopens in April?

Just add a few more trains to the and keep the express throughout the entire rush hour timeframe including during events at Yankee Stadium...simple...

26 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

That is so true. It's a big problem in the Bronx.  Either the MTA adds more trains to be B or the D runs local in the Bronx 24/7. 

25 trains on the B?? I doubt it. 

Why does the need to run local in the Bronx 24/7? Anybody traveling from 205th Street, Bedford Park Boulevard, Kingsbridge Road, Fordham Road, and Tremont Avenue would want an express train during the morning commute to Midtown Manhattan, West 4th Street, Broadway-Lafayette Street, Grand Street, and Downtown Brooklyn (Atlantic Avenue-Barclays Center).

Make the local in the Bronx full-time, and all of the AM Rush Hour riders who live near or by the Grand Concourse express stations will be mad at you.

8 minutes ago, RR503 said:

I was there using that transfer last night. At 11:30 PM, those stairs were choked with people. I don't know if they were actually transferring, or just finding a way to somewhere else in the station, but damn. 'Twas a lot. Regardless, Brooklyn is the fastest growing borough in the city in terms of employment, and with new industrial/commercial development coming on line in Downtown Brooklyn/Industry City/Brooklyn Army Terminal, I think eventually there'll be a need for more trains via Montague. I'd say extend the  though -- goes to midtown, and doesn't require more merging. 

Now I get it!

That's why T to Dyre Avenue was saying all along that there are a huge amount of people switching from a Broad St-bound / to a Brooklyn-bound or . They also could be changing over for a Brooklyn-bound or Whitehall Street-bound as well.

The / skip-stop service may have to last a bit longer too if possible. Maybe I got too carried away when I stated to put all the R179s on the and instead of having some on the eastern division lines as well. Perhaps they can keep the 50 R42s and some R32s in the east so that the eastern division fleet has enough trains for more overall service.

9 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

I go through the station every day on my way to work. I see it with my own two eyes. I’ve crammed my way up that narrow staircase many times, so I experience first-hand what happens there. If you don’t believe me, then that’s fine. I’m not asking you to. But I’m not a statistician and I’m not doing any kind of study for the MTA or any local politician, so no, I won’t be showing you any statistics to prove it. I don’t have to. And you don’t have to believe me either. I’m 100 percent aware that most people transfer for Midtown, but don’t disregard those who don’t. 

For the record, east of where the  diverges from the  is not Williamsburg. It’s Bushwick, bordering on Bed-Stuy. Further east are East New York and Cypress Hills. Even then, wouldn’t it be easier to transfer to the  on the same platform between Myrtle Ave and Essex St for Midtown? 

During the AM Rush, a handle of people on the and from Brooklyn get off at Canal St for Chinatown, leaving some room for some Midtown-bound riders coming off the / to fit onto them; the on the other hand is not only much less frequent than the and but is also already crowded with its own riders going towards its stations between Broadway-Lafayette St and Lex Av-59 St.

But yes, as Around the Horn said, a lot has changed now. More and more people are also going towards Brooklyn on the and lines coming from the / as well, even if it's during off-hours. But still, the Brooklyn-bound Broadway Express trains departing from Canal St have much less people during the off-hours and reverse peak from my experience. It just tells me right there that people are distributing themselves between taking one of the two Broadway Express trains to Brooklyn if they're going to any station along 4th Avenue or Sea Beach or Brighton. It depends, really.

3 hours ago, VIP said:

Anyone else notice that the R42/R32 has painted roofs that are NOT consistent in color?? Why is this being done. Especially for R32’s why does it matter for their roofs to look shiny or new? 

There are quite a handful of R32s that have rusty roofs like the R38s.

This is what happens when the trains themselves are well over their 50s, despite being "pure" stainless steel.

43 minutes ago, RR503 said:

Oh get a room. You’re doing exactly what you’re criticizing each other for doing — degrading threads with holier-than-thou, nonsensical bickering. 

 

On a wholly different note, has adding switches to the exp tracks south of Astoria Boulevard ever been looked at to fluidize Ditmars a bit? Then you could turn trains on the middle track there. 

Oh please. I'm not some kindergarten teacher where I have to sweep everything under the rug and say "Oh okay, sure I will, whatever you want, my bad". Ain't no thread being degraded here. Maybe it's you who needs to open your eyes. Hence the word "proposal". Deal with it.

They can run some trains express on the Astoria Line northbound if the local track gets congested with trains bunching up.

EDIT: Oops. I misread your second sentence. Yes I agree. They really should install one whenever they're ready to. It would ease congestion at Ditmars Blvd during rush hours when trains run more frequently. It's why some trains reroute to or from SAS. That likely won't last long when the comes online and all 's are going to have to head up to and from Astoria. So they need to install a switch south of Astoria Blvd; otherwise Ditmars Blvd would be way too congested.

27 minutes ago, Coney Island Av said:

EDIT: This is a FLEET ASSIGNMENT, not a proposal. A proposal is like an extension of an existing subway line. Like for example, we were talking about a  train extension to South Brooklyn, not fleet assignments. And that goes for every other post in this thread.  And why do you think everything is say makes me a mod?! Current members even say to stop necroposting, even tho they're not a mod. 

Not necessarily though.

This is the proposal thread and the can change things later on. Not everything written in black and white comes true. Big deal. I don't have post this in neither the R179 Thread or the R32 Fleet Swaps Thread if I don't want to anyway. A predicted fleet assignment is still more-or-less a proposed assignment. And anyway, I'll just simply ignore you from now on. You've annoyed me enough.

I'm starting to think you should be banned from the forums for good because you still continue to talk back when Lance, Cait Sith, and Harry said to stop.

1 minute ago, Coney Island Av said:

You posted this in the wrong thread, Take this over to the R179 Discussion or R32 Fleet Swap Thread. 

Oh gee, I didn't know you was a moderator.

I knew exactly what thread I was posting in. This is the proposal thread after all. Hop off my back and move on.

Since everyone was whining endlessly a few days ago that the and riders were "promised" by the to get R179s...

: 80 cars in service + 40 cars as spares = 120 cars total

: 144 cars in service + 52 cars as spares = 196 cars total

316 R179 cars total (196 in four-car sets and 120 in five-car sets).

This means the / will be 100% R160s like the with a few still serving the during the Canarsie Tube Shutdown. The rest of the 's fleet will be R46s (and later, replaced with the R211s in the 2020s era).

All other lines retain the same car assignments as they do today.

Simple.

EDIT: I forgot about the 222 R32s. About half of them will be retired and the rest will be sent to Coney Island to run on the and the only. Some of its R68/As will be moved over to the to make full-length 600 feet long trains for the Canarsie Tube Shutdown. The 50 R42s on the other hand will finally be retired as they would no longer be needed much. 

And that's about it.