Jemorie

8 hours ago, Coney Island Av said:

I beat you to it @Jemorie. 

 

Ain't like you gonna get a reward anyway. Grow up.

1 minute ago, LGA Link N train said:

Well, the thread was "HOT" so I kinda got scared for a moment 

But we actually were talking about the 179s this whole time though... 

Just now, subwaycommuter1983 said:

 I agree. The W is a part time line and it has NTT. 

History has proven to us that the MTA has the tendency of dumping the oldest and most unreliable fleet to the A and C.

I think it's time that the MTA show some love toward A and C train riders, who pay the same fare as everyone else, by putting these 12 10 car trains on one or both lines.

 

 

Huh? The and share the same yard and northern terminal. That's why the latter has NTTs. 

3 minutes ago, LTA1992 said:

Things always change. This IS the MTA. Nothing is ever truly decided.

Until we hear word from those who matter, none of this means a thing to me.

Oh, and why not? Because the has always been stuck with the oldest cars so therefore it should be given first priority? Sorry, you and I know damn well that the ain't a full-time here, bud. It is just a secondary supplemental local counterpart to the .

"Things always change"

You just contradicted yourself. Therefore, I can equally say that putting new cars on either line isn't truly decided either.

1 minute ago, U-BahnNYC said:

The will be full-length, all the way. That's been decided.

Also, I can't see the getting all the R179 5-car sets before the because the is waaay more crowded than the . People flock to the express because, psychologically, they think it will be faster (that's why the express, not the , was routed via 63rd street back in 2001 btw). That's just my logical take on it, but I'm open to constructive argument.

Coney Island keeps on whining that the R32s will head for Coney Island. But in a way, if they do, you can certainly see more NTTs to 207th Street for the and . I agree with you that the is not only just a full-time line, but also one of the system's most important core routes. It shouldn't be given secondary treatment compared to the .

Coney Island Av, I never once stated that the R179s cannot go on the and lines. I said only the five-car sets can, but having the vast majority of trains as 480 feet long units is all honestly...I don't know...but this 2018 now, not 2008. We need full-length trains on the line and while the R46s and R32s are the oldest cars in the system that need replacing no matter what, the entire subway system's ridership will continue to grow for like what? The rest of our lives. Maybe a few full-length trains is a start, but just because the "promised" to have new cars on those two lines to displace the R32s doesn't necessarily mean it will happen. Far we know, they could just take most of Jamaica's R46s and put them on the or or use the Coney Island R160s instead. Who knows.

Just now, Coney Island Av said:

@Jemorie can you stop increasing you're post counter for no reason. Are you only here to name-call instead of actually contribute by saying, "Oh I have a suggestion about the R179s," instead of calling me "You’re so petulant and annoying lol." You mainly name-call more, and only sometimes you actually contribute to the discussion.

At the end of the day, the plans could be finalized, and either of us could be wrong. And why wouldn't the R179's go to the  if they were intended to be on those lines and displace the 32s. 

How am I increasing my post counter? I post what's on my mind. Lately, all these threads have consisted of nothing but whiny complaints about where the R179s should go and you're not a moderator btw lol. Have a seat.

2 minutes ago, U-BahnNYC said:

It is sorta a big deal because, you know what, when you pay that $2.75 fare, and you get a rusted, screeching old beat-up tin can for your ride while you see certain lines (cough, *Broadway* cough), always equipped with brand new, shiny, well maintained trains, you feel like you're getting less of a BANG FOR YOUR BUCK.

The fare is already ridiculously high as is, at least make it justifiably high. TRY to give all the riders a good quality ride, if at least by introducing better equipment where possible.

That's why.

 

I understand what you're saying but I still doubt they'll assign most of the R179s to the unless they are five-car sets. Subway ridership grows yearly.

1 minute ago, LTA1992 said:

The deal is that almost since Day 1, way back in 2010, these cars were going to go to 8th Avenue. Because their original intent was to replace the R44.

With the life extension of the R32, and transfers of R46 to the  due to R160s going to Jamaica, the order was modified for the  .

Again, where else can they go? Instead of being a smartass, you can provide a thought. Whether or not you be eviscerated is TBD.

Lol you blowing a fit I see. The now wants the to be full-length now. Subway ridership grows yearly and there's no reason why most of the R179s should be on the (C). The five-car sets? Sure, but not the four-car sets. And the rest of the fleet can be R46s or full 600 feet R32s lol.

1 minute ago, LTA1992 said:

You DO know that, historically, the has never, ever, gotten its own fleet of brand new cars right? This fleet was always intended to be mostly for the .

We can care less about opinions. Facts are Facts. And the facts are that the  needs new trains. And there's really nowhere else for the R179 to go. So I'll wait for someone like East New York or TheReal to break the news. 

They are some of the most reliable people on here, after all.

So? Big deal lol.

2 hours ago, Coney Island Av said:

Transit actually means way more than you think. It doesn't come from JUST the chairman.

The whole organization includes the chairman, employees, operators, conductors, motormans, and finally Car Equipment/Ops Planning.

@Dj Hammers IS an MTA employee, and part of transit. So when you say "it's transit's final decision" that means that it's Car Equipment's final decision, Ops Planning's final decision, the chairman's final decision, the MTA president's final decision, and EVERYONE who works in MTA is part of the final decision. 

 

You're very naïve lol.

2 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

Why must they go there?

Because certain railfans on here wanna catch their titties in a knot whenever the and continue to be stuck with the oldest cars in the system lol. Even DJ Hammers has stated that subway car breakdowns are the least of the 's problems. It's the aging of the tracks and signals themselves that plague the subway continuously due to their age, not car fleets. I personally couldn't give two cents as long as we still have trains making service and nothing more. These railfans act like the subway is a limo or Hollywood or something lol. By the time all SMEEs retire for good, the and will then get tech trains anyway lol.

Wouldn't this entire R211 order be enough to retire the R68/68As as well?

7 minutes ago, Coney Island Av said:

Only 220 R32s are in service. 10 of them are used for work service at 207 and 36-38 Sts. 

I only think about 160 of them will remain for the shutdown, while the rest get replaced by the 211's. 

222 in passenger service.

10 in work service.

232 cars total.

Although originally 240 as there was another 8 stored at Fresh Pond Yard/East New York Yard in 2011 and 2012, but it's gone now unfortunately. Would have been better if they had kept it since the B Division was short on cars at the time.

@Coney Island Av, I know. But it's not like I'm yelling at you, am I lol. We're behind a computer screen.

3 hours ago, Daniel The Cool said:

Actually the Train is the 2nd largest. It beats it by 2 miles.

https://www.nysenate.gov/sites/default/files/flinereport_0.pdf

20 minutes ago, S78 via Hylan said:

The  also has a connection to JFK airport which the  does not.

Even then, the is the second longest line in the system after the and it's not like the Culver Line itself isn't that busy, at least, during rush hours in the peak direction to be exact. I've been on a handful of overcrowded trains from Brooklyn during the morning peak. Sure, most of the crowds clear up by Jay St. But when an or are across the platform for a connection, forget it, and the crowds become even worst than before by Delancey St but then the train finally breathes out as soon as we reach Midtown and it's comfortable in terms of seating/space from then on. I frequently hear that the should run 18 tph or 20 tph instead of the current 15 tph while the drops to 12 tph or 10 tph, which I don't think will sell well with Culver Line riders. People also seem to forget that WTC can't even handle the huge amount of trains that they keep on proposing due to lack of tail tracks at the station. In short, I'm just saying that people need to focus on an entire line first-hand before jumping to conclusions rather than only a portion of a line like they always do.

6 hours ago, biGC323232 said:

I think it's evenly the same in terms of passengers ......

Yeah...all lines are full to the brim during rush hour, even the secondary lines like the , , , , , and ...

People just keep looking way too deep into certain lines they ride just because.

36 minutes ago, N6 Limited said:

I believe it's because the  connects a lot of busy locations and connects to more buses in Jamaica.

The  is the 8th Ave local (I call it the backup) many times it provides frequent service when the  are no where to be found. It connects to Penn Station and the Port Authority, then provides crosstown service to the  train.  (A couple of times I was on the WTC bound  during evening peak, the train got SUPER PACKED at Lexington Ave, (there wasn't even room to sway) and the relief happened at Port Authority and mostly Penn Station.)

In Queens it connects to the  and provides express Service between Queens Plaza (which is getting more development) and Jamaica where there are connections to the LIRR, JFK Airtrain and tons of bus routes.

The  doesn't have as many high demand destinations although 6th Ave is busy also with Rockefeller Center and Herald Square.

That's true... 

Can anyone here tell me why do people say the is busier than the that the former should run more frequently than the latter? What is it about the that makes it more attractive than the ?

11 minutes ago, S78 via Hylan said:

Rode the  today. It’s good to see that they’re running the R46’s on the line during weekends.

How many? The same 4-5 sets like Joe Korner indicated?

24 minutes ago, D to 96 St said:

When I mean by foamer, it means people just keep arguing about R32's endlessly EVEN after credible sources came in and provided us with info. 

And yes this "parody" was stupid, I CALLED IT STUPID for a reason. But all I gotta say is why even bother anymore? If no one can make a point, if we keep discussing, we just get divided after all of this. Even after I say, let's just stop and move on, it's still debated over R32's for NO reason. 

Lol, Lawrence St posted an idea and several people including me disagreed and gave actual facts of why his idea won’t really work out. Don’t see the issue with disagreeing as long as it’s done generally constructive. You’re acting overly dramatic for no reason lol. Step away from the forums for a little while and let us continue to rationally talk about the effects of how the R179s along with the  shutdown will impact riders and their line’s equipment.

13 minutes ago, D to 96 St said:

I understand...these foamers just take this R32 assignments to another level, when it's just a train. Be grateful you even get to ride the R32's ANYWHERE, as they'll be retired after the shutdown. I'm gonna stay out of this "R32  and  thingy" until all of us can calm down.

I don’t know who are you referring to with the typical word “foamer” that you often use over and over, but I also literally said the same thing in my most recent post. And, if anything, you should also apply this to yourself as well and speak for yourself while you’re at it. For example, the “we’ll miss you” comment should be rephrased to “I’ll miss you” instead. The way you came  off repeatedly venting on those, myself included, who just didn’t agree with you about DJ Hammers was atrocious. That’s all I gotta say.

45 minutes ago, Art Vandelay said:

The Franklin R68s are all singles. 

(I don't disagree with your main point.)

Ah, I see. Thanks. And no problem.

4 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

We need all the non 50 year old cars we can get, both trains can give up their 46 and 68 cars for the L shuttle temp.

You’re a joke lol. The Franklin Avenue Shuttle’s R68s are all in two-car sets. They are not going to run anywhere else. The Rockaway  is keeping its R46s as well.

11 hours ago, U-BahnNYC said:

Speaking of R32s, putting them on the , the longest line, is a very big mistake because of their low MDBF. The , like I said, is short and lacks any significant stretch of shared track (besides the , and even there it's only a few stations with an express track) to have much of a cascading effect. Besides, having the old clankers based at the robust CIY should prove to be helpful in maintaining them.  

As usual, the MTA yet again has a brewing mess in its hands.

It’s not a big deal. The R32s are just trains and that’s that. A train is a train. The amount of breakdown rates is minimum compared to the amount of track and signal issues plaguing the subway due to their age.

And no, they won’t do “fine” on the  either because the line is almost entirely underground. The R32s will have problems no matter where they put them.

9 hours ago, N6 Limited said:

Are those trains from Far Rockaway or Lefferts?

All.