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Planned - Part Suspended

In Brooklyn, no between Kings Hwy and Coney Island-Stillwell Av

Apr 26 - 29, Fri 11:30 PM to Mon 5:00 AM

runs between 96 St and Kings Hwy, the last stop. 

Planned - Part Suspended

In Brooklyn, no between Kings Hwy and Coney Island-Stillwell Av

Apr 27 - 29, Sat 12:15 AM to Mon 5:00 AM

trains run between Jamaica-179 St and Kings Hwy, the last stop.  

Both the  and  cut south of Kings Highway on the same weekend??? This is a first and it’s not great at all…

13 hours ago, BrooklynBus said:

Because the MTA knows it would be very successful and they would rather people use the subways than the buses because they are cheaper to operate. They know if they start 20 or 30 minute service, the buses would be jammed and they would have to triple the service. 

I guess this makes sense given we do have a precedent with the B51 (former route over the Manhattan Bridge between City Hall and Downtown Brooklyn) getting axed in 2010. So, it totally could be a possibility but I doubt any service through the tunnel or similar would return.

Every time I scroll through almost any social media post involving the , whether about the R211s, other system improvements or minor changes, or the fare increases, the comments almost always have the same alarming narrative. Something like hopping the turnstiles, not paying, or complaining that we pay too much and that $2.90 (or even $2.75) is too expensive for a (insert negative word) service like the . This is the average rider on social media's thought process now regarding the MTA. Many ordinary riders that I talk to that are my friends share the same question: why are we paying and why are we paying more (especially for something that doesn't seem to get better)? It just doesn't seem like there is visible serious action being done to improve customer opinion, and this social media mob mentality will also put a dent in fare collection.

P.S. Another can of worms is that evading the fare is a social media trend of its own, whether with people hopping, going in directly behind someone else, or grabbing the emergency door open, and there is absolutely nothing done about it.

Additionally, the  decided to start running weekend buses to replace Culver service… which hasn’t had a bus since pre-pandemic. Saw an “F1” bus with my own eyes, and seems like they’re getting a BusTime route as well.

5 hours ago, CenSin said:

If your mentality is that the glass is half empty, then you could say the pause on the bridge effectively added 3 local stops worth of commute time to the . It didn’t help people much going to Church Avenue (since the  is rarely fast enough to catch up that early) and the to Kings Highway is just up a minute or two ahead of the . On the rare occasion that the  pulled into Church Avenue with the , it’s usually because of a really crappy train operator and/or conductor on the .

Regularly commuting from Downtown Brooklyn, I can confirm that if the  comes in directly behind a  on the PM rush, most of the time, both come in at the same time at Newkirk, and the rest of the time the  narrowly misses the Newkirk connection. I have yet to see a Church Avenue connection, the  would have to be unbearably slow for that. I view this as it buys me 3 extra minutes in case I missed my , living near a local stop. Also, the likelihood of an earlier connection is greater when the  is an R68/A rather than an R46… not sure why.

This is a random thought but it has to do with proposals, so I'll bring it up here:
Has there ever been a consideration to swap the  with the  below Church Avenue on Culver?
The  below church has very low ridership as it is and it may be more efficient to cut the off at Church and leave the   to points south (and maybe a rush hour  extension). 

In addition, we could consider a minor but significant Culver Express segment taken by either the  or the  from 4th Avenue-9th Street (preferably with a switch built right after 4th Avenue/before 7th Avenue for expresses to be able to serve 4th Avenue). The stops between 7th Avenue and Church Avenue have historically lower ridership than their express counterparts (unlike Carroll and Bergen) which could make this express segment more viable, whether taken by the  or . This express segment also has the functional benefit of eliminating a bottleneck at Church Avenue, which I repeatedly experience firsthand with  trains being stuck behind terminating/starting  trains.

Edit: Yes, riders to/from Manhattan would have to transfer at Church, but it would be cross-platform and preferably scheduled. Timing at Church would also ease merging after 7th Avenue/4th Avenue.

Thoughts?

There'd be no way for the media to know unless the MTA did a press release (meaning we'd also know outside of this forum), so there'll probably be no media involved just like the R179 first runs.

Is there any reason as to why Prince Street  hasn't been connected to the Broadway-Lafayette  and Bleecker Street  complex? Seems like a relatively simple addition to me just looking at the station positions on the map.

Why are trains going over bridges (e.g., B/D/N/Q on the Manhattan Bridge) severely limited by their speed? Other systems (e.g., PATCO in Philadelphia) have no problems running their trains over bridges at high speeds. I figured someone on here might know a concrete answer.

5 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

Something I don't like is that gap in service on Cropsey Ave.

Now I proposed to have the B35 LTD replace the B15 to JFK Airport, but folks here told me that would never work. The way how they have it now misses a big chunk of the ridership from the  and .

They basically ate a big chunk of the B103? What about people who actually ride the entire route into Downtown Brooklyn?

Shore Road needs to have some type of local service like the B9 being extended southward to 86th St to fill in that coverage gap.

The Cropsey Avenue gap is being filled by a rerouted B64, which is a win.

Extending the B55 XT down 39th Street doesn’t make sense, it makes the already-really-long route even longer, and the optimized B35 should do the trick anyway ( to  or  is still faster to Church Avenue than the B35 would be).

Speaking from personal experience, the B103 LTD portion from Flatbush to Downtown Brooklyn is a pathetic crap-shoot, even with the express Prospect Expressway segment. I’ve used it a couple of times to get to/from Downtown Brooklyn when the  we’re having issues and boy was it freaking horrible, especially trying to make it down 3rd/4th Avenue, taking at the very least 40 minutes to get from Church Avenue to Downtown unless traffic is spotless. People are better off transferring to the  to get downtown anyway. Even then, the new proposed B81 knocks down three issues in one: being an (albeit more local) B103 alternative with a more streamlined route, being somewhat of a B21 comeback (the pre-2010 cuts Cortelyou Road route), and connecting Red Hook.

As for a Shore Road local, I can see how a B9 extension would work, but I don’t think there’s enough demand for travel within the area, there is more outward demand, and that’s already also covered with the B4 and B16.

22 hours ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

Instead I would try to connect the  at Fulton Street to Atlantic Ave/Barclay Center. That would be beneficial to way more riders than connect Dekalb & Nevins St or 7th Ave & Grand Army Plaza.

This is an idea that I still don’t understand why the MTA hasn’t considered… Even if no direct connection/passage is built, at least making an OOS transfer could be useful. The transfer between the and  at 4th Avenue/9th Street doesn’t help much, and for any riders riders going between Brooklyn and Queens or northern and southern Brooklyn, even with the small walk, going from the Atlantic complex to Fulton St  shaves at least 5 minutes off of commutes (Google Maps displays this well if you set the start location to Atlantic-Barclays and the end location to any station you can transfer to the G with).

How hard would it be to connect the platforms/stations on 7th Avenue  and Grand Army Plaza , as well as connecting DeKalb Avenue  and Nevins St ? They're absurdly close together and seem like very promising connections, and these connections could relieve the not-so-close-together Atlantic Avenue platforms at least a little.

9 hours ago, RestrictOnTheHanger said:

Has anyone else noticed missing trips on their OMNY account? I've had 2 missing in the past 2 days, one subway one bus, and a few others that come to mind. I used a mix of physical cards and google pay.

I’ve had this happen before, but those missing trips did eventually pop up 2-5 days after they happened (which is still strange)

5 hours ago, CenSin said:

Riding it this weekend, it seems most of the are NTTs once again. I’ve seen a few R46s, but I’ve boarded trains at random times and it’s been a consecutive string of NTTs.

I headed to Midtown on the  on Wednesday and nearly all of the trains I saw on the  and even  on Broadway (I saw ~12 total trains) were R160 (and of course, none on the )... I still don't understand what happened to sharing R160s with the  like there was before circa December 2020 (with the  sharing a pool) because living along the Brighton line, I see none at all (except for maybe one during the AM rush, but even that technically didn't come from a real  due to rush-hour put-ins, if that makes sense), just almost entirely R46s with a few R68/As sprinkled in.

27 minutes ago, Armandito said:

I absolutely disagree with routing the back to Nassau Street. Ridgewood commuters would indeed be furious about losing their current one-seat ride to Midtown, and commuters living along the  line would NOT want to lose daily access to Manhattan, either. A more realistic scenario would be eliminating / skip-stop service while still maintaining the full routing to Broad Street, not the outlandish proposal you envisioned there.

Good point, the M and J routing I proposed is on the radical side. How about an  to 96th but a  to Bay Ridge? If that’s also too outlandish then I guess  routing should be unchanged, the  only runs to 96th (or Forest Hills rush hours only), and the  runs standard routing.

The Subway Post-COVID: The Cuts
Here is my proposed plan for how the MTA could have up to an overall 40% service reduction and still run as effectively as possible.
For reference, current weekend service is equal to around a 25% service reduction from the weekday variants.
Stated reductions are compared to current service.

ROUTES
 
All Times: 207th Street to Mott Avenue
Same route and service pattern except the Lefferts branch is covered by the  or the Lefferts , full local at
night, and Fulton Street local when  is not running, no Rockaway Park rush-hour trips. Service reduced by 30%.
 
Rush Hours Only: 145th Street to Brighton Beach
Same route and operation as the current non-rush-hour variant, service reduced by 30%.
 
Weekdays Only: 168th Street to Lefferts Boulevard
Route lengthened to Lefferts Boulevard to streamline  service, no weekend service, 20% service reduction.
 
All Times: Norwood-205th Street to Coney Island
Same route, 30% service reduction. Local on Central Park West weekends.
 
All Times: World Trade Center to Jamaica Center
Same route, no rush-hour runs to 179th Street, 30% service reduction.
 
All Times: Jamaica - 179th Street to Coney Island
Same route, no rush-hour express service in Brooklyn, 30% service reduction.
 
All Times: Court Square - Smith-9th Streets
Truncated from Church Avenue, 30% service reduction.
 
All Times except Rush Hours: Myrtle Avenue-Broadway - Jamaica Center
Same route as the current non-rush-hour variant truncated from Broad Street, runs to Chambers Street rush
hours, 30% reduction in service. Rest of non-rush-hour route covered by the .

All Times: 8th Avenue-14th Street to Rockaway Parkway
Same route, 25% reduction in service.

All Times Except Nights: Metropolitan Avenue - Bay Ridge-95th Street
Same route as the former , except it runs all the way down 4th Avenue (as a local), replacing Brooklyn  
service. Same nightly shuttle as currently, and a second shuttle between 95th and 36th Streets in Brooklyn.

All Times: Astoria-Ditmars Boulevard to Coney Island
Same as the weekend routing (Broadway Local via Bridge, except nights via tunnel), similar service levels,
no rush-hour trips to 96th Street.
 
All Times: 96th Street to Coney Island
Same route, 20% service reduction.
 
All Times Except Nights: Whitehall Street to Forest Hills-71st Avenue
Route truncated from Bay Ridge-95th Street, service to Brooklyn replaced by the  and , 20% service
increase (to accommodate for lost QBL local service from the ), no rush-hour service to 96th Street.
 
(Franklin Avenue)
Reduced to a single train.
 
(Rockaway Park)
Reduced to a single train.
 
(Lefferts Boulevard)
Runs from Euclid Avenue to Lefferts Boulevard when the  doesn't run, operates with a single train.
 
(42nd Street)
Runs a single train or is suspended.

All Times: 242nd Street to South Ferry
Same route, 30% service reduction.

All Times: Wakefield-241st Street to Flatbush Avenue
Same route, 30% service reduction.

Weekdays Only: Harlem-148th Street to New Lots Avenue
Same route weekdays only, a single-train 5-car shuttle between 148th Street and 135th Street other times,
30% weekday service reduction.

Weekdays: Woodlawn to Utica Avenue
Same route weekdays, runs nightly service pattern (Lex Av Local nights only) to New Lots Avenue as a Brooklyn 
local to replace the  at all other times, 30% service reduction.

Weekdays Only: Eastchester-Dyre Avenue to Bowling Green
Same route as weekends, runs as a shuttle from Dyre Avenue to East 180th Street all other times (2 trains).
30% weekday service reduction.

All Times: Pelham Bay Park to Brooklyn Bridge
Same route, express service rush-hours only, 30% service reduction.

All Times: 34th Street-Hudson Yards to Flushing-Main Street
Same route, no express service, 20% local service reduction.

Suspended: *

*Replaced by

Thoughts?
I am willing to make edits to this plan to make it as effective as possible.

55 minutes ago, Bklyn Bound 2 Local said:

I get that the R188s on the  are shorter than the R142/As on the , but 11 cars per train seems like such a random number!

The R188s are the exact same size as the R142As... (In fact, many are just converted R142As) The  just has the extra platform length left over in order to run an 11th car as opposed to the other lines.

This is kind of strange... over the past 20 minutes, I’ve seen 2 R160s in a row on the , heading Coney Island-bound, and 1 R160 deadheading vía the express tracks on Brighton (Couldn’t see any of their numbers), also towards Coney Island... are any of those actually transfers to Coney Island Yard right now?

3 hours ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said:

Gray and Orange  

 

Pop-Quiz Question: What model did these roll signs show up on and for what reason? 

The R110B, and for the possible 1991/92 (?) budget cuts/service changes

On 3/31/2020 at 11:40 AM, Snowblock said:

Why Kings Highway instead of Brighton Beach?

If the  would end at Brighton Beach, that would be longer distance and time-wise than to Kings Highway, and those s would be carrying air going further.

Pat Foye has the coronavirus.
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/coronavirus/2020/03/28/mta-chairman-patrick-foye-tests-positive-for-coronavirus

REHABILITATION AND TRACK WORK                                                                              
WEEKENDS FROM JUNE TO SEPTEMBER 2020

 service is suspended between Manhattan and Brooklyn.
 service is suspended in Lower Manhattan.
 and replaces  service in Manhattan and Queens.
There is extended  service between Manhattan and Brooklyn.

 trains run between Woodlawn and Bowling Green, last stop.

There is no  service between Canal Street and Whitehall Street.

Special  service runs between Bay Ridge, 95th Street and Court Street,
then making all  stops in lower Manhattan to Essex Street, last stop.

Enhanced local  service replaces  local service in Manhattan.

Enhanced  service replaces  service in Brooklyn.

Special  service runs between Metropolitan Avenue and Forest Hills,
running regular weekday service and replacing the  in Queens.

Special  service runs between Jamaica Center and Broad Street, then
via the  line to/from DeKalb Avenue, and via the  express line
to/from Kings Highway, last stop.

For  service to Queens from Brooklyn, take the modified  to Essex Street and
transfer to the  or .
For  service to Midtown Manhattan from Brooklyn, take the .
For  service in Lower Manhattan, use the , ,  or modified .
For  service between Manhattan and Brooklyn, use the , , or modified .
For  service via 2nd Avenue, use .

 

13 hours ago, SubwayFan3000 said:

has 22 rolling stock trains not 12

I counted only for the time I was on the line, it doesn't mean I had the time to get to all of the trains as I stated (there obviously were more trains) in my last post.

3 hours ago, verygary said:

so many R68's on the brighton line today

literally full of them, jam packed, on a weekend

2 hours ago, trainfan22 said:

Must be an beautiful sight. Just like the 90s and early to mid 2000s! R46 and train recently became a thing of the past but 68s on the Brighton Local is back.. at least one aspect of my childhood is back lol

It really did feel kind of like a mid 2000s throwback, really more like 2007 when the R160s only first began to sprinkle the  fleet... except for the R46s.
This is what I counted in total today (There obviously might have been more than I counted) on the :
7 R46 (Including the single train that ran as a shuttle from Brighton to Coney Island due to a GO)
3 R68 (2 in a row even...)
2 R160B

I got on one R46 to Brighton, and back on an R68. Feels weird to think that this is the new norm again.

18 minutes ago, Snorunts said:

You are probably used to hearing the Siemens propulsion. Alstom sounds better IMO.

Nah, Siemens sounds better IMO lol, but really, as a daily Brighton rider as well, I'd say the change to R46s is almost seamless. Riders are pretty much used to it by now, and ride times aren't affected so there's no reason to fuss over it. At this point, the  fleet is almost a flip of a coin (almost 50/50 with a small third party of R68s), R46s on one end, and R160s on the other.