Coney Island Av

I made a few updates to my fantasy nyc subway map, and I really want more ppl to critique it so I can get suggestions for making maps. Link- http://app.enmodal.co/?id=8b1c3d7330d9a94f The and would be extended to Voorhies in order to better serve South Brooklyn, and possibly take relief off of the . The will be extended to Bedford Park Blvd on the Jerome line to provide adequate service near the west Bronx. It will also be extended to Kings Plaza to provide transit access in a large desert called East Flatbush. The will run as the Jerome Av Express from BPB to 125 St rush hrs. Now I know that many Jerome Av line stops have high ridership but the would cover those stops and the would stop at BPB anyways. It would also take over the New Lots line and be extended to Lefferts Blvd, replacing service there. I might remove this at some point and have it go to Spring Creek. service will be permanently rerouted to Wakefield-241 St and be extended to the aforementioned destination. This eliminates the need to have branching, and also the need to run it late nights. service extended to Co-op-City to connect with the . service will be extended to Bayside-Bell Blvd to serve the aforementioned neighborhood. A new service would take over Dyre and connect to the Pelham line and run via Lex Av local to Brooklyn Bridge. is revived, express north of 96 St and goes to Red Hook. This would better serve a developing neighborhood, and also provide Battery Park City and Governors Island a one-seat ride to the rest of Manhattan. serves the Rockaways only to provide increased service to the casino and JFK Airport. is extended to Gun Hill Rd and also rerouted to the Culver line. It would curve down Ft Hamilton Pkwy to 68 St and go into SI. This would solve the F express issue and link SI with a one-seat ride to Midtown. is extended to Fort Lee, NJ and runs via Fulton St Exp to Cambria Hts. This would involve relocating the bus terminal and better serving SE Queens. is extended to Co-op City and is rerouted to the Brighton Line to replace service. This would provide the Bronx with a good crosstown line at a cheap cost. is extended to Laurelton-Springfield Blvd to serve SE Queens. This would shift LIRR service to St. Albans in return. is extended to Springfield Blvd and I'm also thinking about extending the line further to Little Neck Pkwy & Jamaica Av. is re-extended to Forest Hills-71 Av. service is extended to Hollis, and will run via 4 Av Local to Bay Ridge-95 St. A new service will run as a "branch" of the . This would bring the up a new Lafayette extension to the Myrtle EL, and also will serve Dyker Heights and Boro Park since those are underserved. is extended to College Point-127 St via 10 Av-86 St-Northern. is extended via the RBB to Howard Beach and is also extended from its current terminus at Metropolitan to Flushing-Main. While many think RBB is useless, I still feel it will improve access. This won't really overload the because service can be increased to cope with the passengers. is rerouted to 63 St and Queens Blvd, but will go up the LIE to Springfield. This will serve a large transit desert with more service. A new (P) service is created and runs from Throgs Neck to Broadway Jct. is extended cheaply to Broadway-125 St, acting as another crosstown line. is rerouted to the Astoria line and is extended to LGA. Franklin is extended to Bedford-Nostrand. is extended to Gun Hill Rd, running via 3 Av to make up for the loss of service. It will also be extended down Fulton St to Cambria Heights with the , but acts as a local. service runs on the Queens Bypass from Jamaica-179 St and goes to Coney Island via the West End to replace service. This will provide a very fast route parallel to QB that will reduce crowding. is extended to LGA, and runs via Fulton St Local to Cross Bay Blvd. (X) will act as a crosstown line, running from 145 St to St. George on the proposed RX route. This will be the only line to run thru all 5 boroughs. Last but not least, the will head into Queens via a new subway under Flushing Av in order to provide a quick-one seat ride to Lower Manhattan from Flushing.

Another reason why the 's R160s are going to ENY is because the is slated to be fully NTT during the shutdown. But isn't the supposed to be a mix of R46s and R179s during the shutdown? Would the get R179s as well?

*sigh* we were almost done with revenue testing!

At approx 2:34 I saw 3050-3057 at 14 St-8 Av. I assume a transfer to Pitkin or the Rockaway test track?

After all this RBB vs. Queensway talk I'd like to mention several flaws with the STUPID QUEENSWAY. The thing is, converting the ROW to park, would be more difficult than converting it to train service. The ROW is literally rotting to pieces, of course. But there could be potential infestations of rats, moles, ants, skunks, and more squatting along the ROW. So these clowns would have a rat-infested park. In comparison, the High Line was only in disrepair for a short time, until conversion. It has been taken care of YEAR BY YEAR. The RBB, wasn't even maintained since when? Renovation into subway would cost a lot less since the MTA renovated stations and ENTIRE LINES. After the Lower Montauk, the line is torn up by a parking garage until Forest Park. That section of property would have to be taken by both rail AND park. The area in which the Queensway runs through could potentially have very high crime rates. As a result, there could be misconduct, vandalism, and even shootings in the park. All of this will slowly cause the park to rot. And these clowns can't renovate it forever because 1) they're only low-middle classes, 2) not much attention would even be directed toward the park. The RBB is at-grade, whereas the High Line is ELEVATED. A lot of trees have grown along the RBB, but the High Line has no trees. This means that cutting the trees down would take a lot of time, which is costly. These hipsters claim there are schools near the ROW and could be harmful to students. But seriously, they are barely any near the ROW, and there are a lot near ACTIVE EL'S! So if you take all of this into account, the QUEENSWAY won't last that long as a park. Since crime would be often, vandalism will also be common. Rats would be lurking around as well. This will cause the grass to fade away, and the park to deteriorate. These clowns would eventually run out of funding to keep renovating their petty project. Then all of a sudden, the park would smell like the devil's vulgar. People would begin to leave the park as a result of no maintenance and a horrible smell. The clowns would then abandon the project, leaving it to rot... ...until a corrupt, counterfeit agency called the MTA would purchase the line and reactivate it for subway.

"Honey, where's my R179s?" said a straphanger, waiting for an in-service train to arrive. Another set, another to mess up horribly.

I think an extension of service would cover Forest Hills, because the RBB is a line in waiting. If both are built, nothing will cover 67 Av.

I still support RBB reactivation- but it SHOULD NOT be a number 1 priority. Like others have pointed out- there are many other neighborhoods without transit access. And also, the Queensway clowns should not be allowed to convert it to a park. They should lose and go home and cry. These are extensions that should get higher priority over RBB: Full length SAS from Broadway-125 St to Hanover Square, with branches to the Bronx, Brooklyn, and even a connection to the Nassau St Line. The line will be 4-tracked between 55 St and Grand St. I would include express tracks north of 55 St BENEATH the existing ones- but I don't think it is that important compared to other projects. 3 Av SAS Branch Arguably dense area that needs subway access. This line would replace the old EL. Queens Bypass to 71 Av This is arguably more needed as it will relieve QB, which is notoriously congested. It will also allow a faster commute for eastern Jamaica riders. 10 Av-Northern Blvd Line This line would serve the Far West Side and creates a crosstown route into Queens as an extension of the . It would greatly syphon riders off of the and provide subway access to those in the underserved communities of Jackson Heights, Whitestone, and College Point, all of which are more dense than the neighborhoods in which RBB runs thru. Utica Av Line This part of Bklyn is very dense, moreso than RBB. The B46 SBS is often CRUSH-LOADED as a result. Bringing the down there will be more beneficial to the neighborhood. Nostrand Av Extension This extension would eliminate the inefficient terminal setup at Flatbush and better serve SE Brooklyn. This may relieve crowds off of the as a result. Hillside Extension of the This would serve a dense area in a large transit desert which experience some of the longest commutes in the nation. This will greatly reduce the need for the lots of buses running down Hillside. At Springfield the line will curve down Braddock Av to Little Neck Pkwy. Laurelton Extension SE Queens is very dense and doesn't have a direct one-seat ride to Manhattan considering all LIRR service only goes to Atlantic Terminal. This would be a boon for residents living there and allows LIRR service to be shifted to St. Albans. Triboro RX A very important crosstown route that reduces the need to take slow buses or backtrack on subways. It also provides transit access in East Flatbush and Canarsie. Long Island Expwy Branch A huge transit desert in NE Queens that experiences long commutes to Manhattan, which is mix of low/medium density housing. I would first do it as an extension of the . Throgs Neck branch of SAS This SLIGHTLY beats RBB as a priority. Throgs Neck is miles from the and solely relies on buses. This line would serve it, along with serving Hunts Point and Soundview. So to sum it up, RBB should not be as a high priority, but still be built. I would say RBB should be in a mid or long term expansion plan. Just very low on a mid term plan and very high for the long term.

These constraints for the are: Forest Hills Fumigation Myrtle Av bottleneck Merging with the at 36th?? You eliminate the Forest Hills bottleneck and now the will be relieved of delays since the layups will now have capacity to spare. In fact, this will increase capacity more than decrease it. Well, another purpose is to serve communities just like a Utica extension, and also create the shortcut I mentioned earlier, in other words a crosstown line. In fact, this shares a purpose with one of @Deucey 's proposals: a crosstown line from 125 St to JFK. Have you ever heard of converting Woodhaven? This will really take relief off of Roosevelt. But I wasn't saying that the would necessarily be faster than the . I only said it because you were apparently saying this would take a while, but 40 min is exactly the amount of time the people expect to get to Manhattan. Oh and also, the Q52/53 takes 29 min to get to Woodhaven from Rockaway Blvd as opposed to your 14 min claim for the . But at least there's an EXISTING ROW for RBB! The only tunneling would be underpinning LIRR.

@RR503: Those "Rockawayers" are the SAME people who take the SBS Q52/53 and local routes to Woodhaven for the train.... you literally mentioned "shortcut from the Rockaways" which is one of the main purposes of justifying the line's existence. And @T to Dyre Avenue mentioned earlier this would cost a fraction less than let's say, a Utica Avenue line, which wold have to be tunneled. Also, its 14 stops to 47-50 Sts... and takes only 27 mins from 63 Dr-Rego Park. Add a few more and you'll get 40 mins travel time from the RBB via the . And the , according to Google Maps, takes 50 mins to get from Howard Beach to 42 St-Port Authority. So you'll end up with about the same travel time either way...according to the aforementioned source EXCLUDING things that could go wrong on both lines...

But ya also have to consider the fact Aqueduct is underused...

We were partying then this happened... Welp, y'all can't have AMAZING photos of these cars for a 1000 years!

The current Jamaica line structure on Fulton and Crescent would be replaced with the rerouting of the line down Jamaica Av. This will eliminate the sharp curve at Cypress Hills that could pose serious congestion and slow trains down.

How did this thread get so much posts while I was gone for a day? Welp, this ain't my last post in the thread. The only reason why I agreed to locking this thread was because of this endless arguing and sort-of repetitive posts. Also, I said this earlier: I never said they HAVE to lock this thread, I only said I am WILLING to lock the thread. But I wasn't saying they HAVE to agree with ME. I'm only saying there should be something we can ALL agree on. They don't have to agree with my opinion solely. If you would have this, reroute the line down Jamaica Av from Cypress Hills to Bway Jct. This way, it will allow triple-tracking without severe congestion, besides the Myrtle bottleneck. This also won't require the demolition of buildings. Only stops at Highland Blvd and Arlington Av, compared to 5 closely-spaced stops. The stops east of Crescent are more spread apart.

SMH. I'll leave y'all alone before I repeat myself. This thread started out good till everyone started arguing in a debate over buses vs. trains. Until I can come with a solution everyone can agree to, or if someone else does the same, I'll not be posting in this thread.

I meant to say there would be more demand for it to go to QBL because it connects with OTHER LINES in doing so! If the connects to more subway lines- as evident by its extension to Church Av, it SHOULD go to QBL! I do agree with you about congestion but I pointed out two solutions that could potentially relieve congestion. 1. Make the an express from Jamaica to Canal St. A third track will be constructed after Crescent, OR the line will be relocated to Jamaica Av to eliminate the sharp curve with the third track. 2. The 63 St-Queens Bypass. Now I know this will only happen in the LONG-TERM only after SAS Phase 3 is open but this will actually relieve congestion as it will allow a faster commute for eastern Jamaica riders. It's because the expresses are FASTER THAN THE LOCALS! They will still take the express regardless of time savings. FYI only the will go on the RBB, and the will stay as-is. Firstly, the people there want ANY type of subway service, whether it is a local or express. Expresses DON'T have to be EVERYWHERE. And if riders want an express? Take the or . south of Rockaway Blvd, and at Woodhaven AND Roosevelt. Secondly, it will improve access from the Rockaways, opening up new shortcuts. But you see, the point of it is NOT TO PROVIDE FASTER SERVICE than the or the express bus even. The whole points to serve local neighborhoods as well as the former I mentioned.

Wow. I can't believe this thread turned into a huge argument over bus vs. subways. @BreeddekalbL I would have MOST s terminate at Howard Beach, with a 3 TPH frequency to Rockaway Park. Those trains will terminate at 2 Av during rush hrs, while ones from Howard Beach will go to Metropolitan. The will also be extended to Lefferts. As for the it's purpose is to reduce crowding off of QBL since it is congested. As for the LIE line, I would send the there since the doesn't provide Manhattan service. @BM5 via Woodhaven There could be demand for the to 71 Av because if it went there, ridership would soar. Another reason is because if they build transfers to the at Lorimer, and the at Atlantic Av, there would be more demand for it to go to QB. @Deucey ONLY the EXPRESS TRACKS are at capacity. The local tracks still have capacity to spare. Plus, this reduces congestion at 71 Av and frees up terminal capacity. I'll give you all THREE REASONS why express buses have low ridership. 1. The fare is expensive at $6.50 2. The fare will be wasted since buses get caught in traffic. 3. People will take the subway for a faster ride to Manhattan.

I actually agree with this. It's only across the river from Midtown, but a new platform would have to be constructed to exhibit the old artifacts. Regardless, this location would actually attract more commuters.

I agree that any line on RBB has to go to Manhattan, so the is the best choice. The people in the area DO HAVE LIMITED SUBWAY ACCESS! FYI only the Jamaica Line passes through the area, not the . The is AT THE END of the branch. Plus, this transit desert DOES have limited transit access! Do you really think riders would take an expensive express bus, only to get stuck in traffic! Or even take the Q52/53 SBS, only to stand on impossibly overcrowded subway platforms! They wouldn't be willing to take local service either because buses are slow! Plus, this should be a high-priority project, compared to a petty Red Hook SAS extension or a stupid 125 St-JFK line. Those lines will NEVER produce enough demand, whereas RBB WOULD. A question for VG8, Deucey, and BM5: Do you really think a random park splat out in the middle of nowhere would attract tourists? There are millions of parks around the city and the only ones that are very popular are in Manhattan. And you could say "well the HighLine gets a lot of traffic" but firstly, it's in Manhattan. No one will go to a park that is splat out in the middle of nowhere, not to mention where could potentially be a very high crime rate. These Queensway clowns should LOSE, be forced to deal with it and support a renovation of Forest Park. Plus, the won't necessarily be long if it goes to Howard Beach. If it goes to Rockaway Park yes, but it could run down there with 20 minute headways since most will terminate at Howard Beach. Plus, the Forest Hills layups will finally have capacity to spare and now the could return there with the . If Woodhaven was converted into an express stop, this would greatly take relief off of Roosevelt Av. Another short-term solution to reduce crowding would be to construct a third track on the Jamaica Line east of Broadway Jct, and have the go express to Broad while the becomes the full-time local. This would reduce crowding in the sense that it would allow a faster commute downtown. A long-term solution to reduce overcrowding wold be to construct the 63 St-QB Bypass.

Not bad. Very good, in fact. Except the should go to Springfield, the could run Jerome Av Exp, the (X) cold go to SI, and to Voorhies. Also the should be extended to Hollis, a SAS branch could go to Throgs Neck, and why not extend to Concourse Line to White Plains Rd?

The whole point of turning trains at 2 Av-Houston is because someone pointed out the wold be long, so that is the purpose.

This is a Jamaica-179 St bound express train... Oh wait. This a 160 not a 179! The next and last stop is... Jamaica-179 St. Ding Dong.

I hope everyone agrees with this. service will run to Rockaway Park 24/7, with some rush hr trains turning at 2 Av-Houston. The will be cut back to Whitehall St on weekends, and the will run to 71 Av all times. The Queensway supporters should support the "LowLine" at Essex St and a complete renovation of Forest Park. Bus services will be rerouted to cover the remaining gaps the RBB doesn't cover. The Q52/53 SBS will remain as-is. Now, let's lock the thread.

How does a park have to do with reactivation and especially transportation? There are plenty of parks around Queens and there doesn't need to be another one. Plus, the QUEENSWAY will NEVER SEE the crowds the High Line does. I never said they HAVE to lock this thread, I only said I am WILLING to lock the thread. They could convert the Atlantic Branch to subway use since it will see less traffic after ESA.

Did you see what I said earlier? LET'S LOCK THIS THREAD. This thread was good until you guys bumped in to improve bus service and build the park. If this thread shouldn't be locked, let's get back on topic!