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Cross Brooklyn would still be in the ball park of the train. But Q66 and M12 can just stay buses? NYC doesn't need to be spending money on a LRT when there's already good bus service there. If you want faster service, propose a busway/bus lane on those lines. if Q66 is being converted to SBS, leave it alone, it's already getting faster, and that line is going to become quicker. M12, does it's job. It serves Chelsea, along with a slew of other buses, like the M14D, M23, and M34 serving the north side of it. M12 goes along the entirety of it and doesn't need faster service. In fact, the M8 is a perfect example. If you don't know the M8 runs every 10-15 minutes. It's not frequent at all. Why? Because not a lot of people take it's bus. Not a lot of people need it. So why run every 5 minutes if it'll have low bus service? It doesn't need to be "faster" when it already does it's job without having any extra expenses like extra buses. The M12 isn't a long route, and it runs every 30 minutes, because it has passengers every 30 minutes. The same reason why M14 buses runs around every 5 minutes because people come every 5 minutes. The point is, we shouldn't waste LRT on routes that wouldn't be worth the cost of creating said route. It shouldn't be replacing routes that exist, instead it should be serving (like you said) undeserved communities and taking them to the train/bus faster. Replacing a bus wouldn't be worth it.

How about walking 3 blocks to the station? Or taking the bus to 96 St/94 St and Columbus Yeah, It belongs on the New Jersey Transit side of the forum.

Mid-90s Columbus has M7 and M11 bus service, 86 St and 96 St stations on CPW, and with this plan they'd also have Amsterdam Av. Why does Mid 90s/Columbus need service? It's fine as it is. And if you want Mid-90s service, you can just make 94 St exits on 96 St/Amsterdam. And the exit would've been made anyways. I'll be honest, most buses in Midtown do their job. M31 and M57 buses run 20-25 BPH as you say. I'll restate this: That's 1 bus every 4 minutes. That's not a long wait. If you want better bus service, you might as well go with a busway, but there's no intense need for it.

Broadway - 11th St And I think that 86/Amsterdam and rather 96 St - Amsterdam with a free transfer to Bway would actually be better than 91/Columbus and 96/Bway

yes, however mine would be the following: 41 Av 36 Av 11 St York Av/79 St 2 Av/86 St Lexington Av/86 St 5th Av/86 St CPW/86 St Amsterdam Av/86 St Broadway/96 St

North Roosevelt Island would probably be the station with the least amount of Ridership simply because nobody is over there. It should stop at 11th York/79 St, 2nd/86 St, Lexington 86 St, 5th/86 St, CPW/86 St, Amsterdam/86 St, Broadway/96 St, and end it there.

For this to happen we'd have to extend G-Trains, and they'd have to run more frequently, but yeah it'd be feasible. Would just need to upgrade the train tremendously.

Highline - 14 St - It ends at the end of the Highline and it's a 2 track terminal. With trains being able to enter both tracks and a cross over on both sides. We can extend the train to have a staircase at the Highline, or an elevator if we extend the platform into a transfer. Christopher St or some sort of M8 Connection on West St. It goes down your route do Battery Park City. I'm not versed in LRT stuff.

End it at 14 St, and make a connection to 8th Av - 14 St. It's the best you could do without messing up Amsterdam. Terminate it at the Highline.

On a separate note would it be a good idea to have the train go down Flatlands Avenue into Ralph Avenue/Avenue U, and terminate at Kings Plaza. And would it be plausible to have trains (after Roger's Deinterlining) to go from Crown Heights, all the way down Utica to Kings Plaza making it into a terminal. This could also work if it were a Nostrand Avenue Extention where it would go down Flatbush Av on Kings Plaza. I know there's a lot of people who go down there via other trains, but if we were to make a Canarsie - Kings Plaza extention and Nostrand/Flatbush Av Extentions, it'll provide more access to it. and along the line.

Same place.

This would be a great subject for the buses then wouldn't it? Which also has environmentally friendly buses. That's about a bus every 4 minutes. Btw, the BQX sucks anyways. But it's purpose is to connect Brooklyn and Queens. That's the main purpose. The problem is that it's serving the wrong area. I'm not saying that the BQX is amazing, but the Simpsons already did that. No point in recreating the middle parts of half of a line. I'd rather you branch the into 57 St rather than placing a Street Car under ground. Again, the only part that I'd agree with is the West Street proposal, because it is a hassle to go from BPC uptown.

And we please drop this LRT subject, it's kinda off track from the Subway's proposal thing. I'd rather we continue our original conversation with the QBL. Let's get back to the actual subject.

Keep the LRT out of Manhattan, and leave that Brooklyn Route to the BQX. And why don't you run the LRT inside of the park and along the side walk (on West Street.) That's really the only line I would keep. And I'd end it on 14 St, perhaps reusing parts of the Highline so that it could end there. 57 St doesn't need an LRT. The only reason I think you're using it is because that's the only place where you can use it and get away with it in Manhattan, all other crosstown routes are hefty, so you just move the LRT to one of the least densest, but still has usage for people. 57 St doesn't need an LRT. It doesn't have to connect Manhattan, it just needs to connect to a train. The LRT isn't the alternative, it should be the connection between subways, and people who don't/can't have access to an actual subway. An Alternative is a shuttle bus service. LRT is a connection. An MTA bus is a mix between the two. the Manhattan has enough buses, especially on the west part of 57 St and all the crosstown lines.

Only place I would see where a light rail would be appropriate is, along with the lines you listed) Canarie - Coney Island and Kings Plaza. I'd feel a lot more comfortable with a Light Rail than a Subway over there. As long as there's a subway at Kings Plaza, I think it'll work (And replace the select bus that's over there which i think is the B83).

Allow me to clarify, riders from Queens Plaza/Long Island City have both trains that go to 53 St - 7th Av, 5th Av, and Lexington Av. Riders also have the train at 57 St - 6th Av. They also have the train to 59 St - Lexington, 60 St - 5th Av, and 57 St - 7th Av. There's no need for a tram to go to and from a place with existing ways to get both to and from said place. It's useless, and would still construct traffic on Columbus Circle, because putting it on the outer would restrict the lanes going to Columbus Circle, and going on the inner restricts lanes going within Columbus Circle. Trying to put a median on an already crowded street with a butt ton of traffic (like 5th and 6th) will most definitely not work, because now you've screwed over cars and buses that want to get to places along 5th and 6th Avenues. Columbus made be super wide, but 5th and 6th don't have that much space. You'd still be cutting off in between blocks like 58th St, from traiffic between 5th and 6th Avenues, which may not be a lot to you, but to people who regularly use those blocks to.. i don't know.. go to businesses, or home? You'd also be screwing them over. All because you're trying to create an unneeded alternative to a subway line that doesn't need it. A median on Northern Blvd is more favored because you're not obstructing traffic that isn't already there. Also, Northern Blvd is apart of a highway, And I don't even want a damn BRT to run over there, at least not above a subway running on Northern Blvd, because that's just an extra transportation service that could've just been a subway.

No, because you'd still have traffic messed up. 5th and 6th Avenues are already heavy with traffic, and placing a median on 59 or 57 St is a bad idea. Because you'd have buses messed up also. LRT shouldn't even be in Manhattan, especially midtown where damn near all trains run with exception of which all have transfer to another midtown train since the go into Manhattan, and the goes to Long Island City. So what's the point of this? With this plan alone, you've messed up Columbus Circle, i.e. 8th, Broadway, and 59th St. Not only that, you've messed up 5th and 6th Avenue, along with 57 St. because where would the space be? Manhattan doesn't need a LRT.

Subway.

Dude, there's buses that can serve Northern Roosevelt Island, If they want to go to Northern Manhattan, they have the train that transfers to the trains at 47-50 St, to go to 59 St - Columbus Circle. By the time a moveable bridge is happening, there's already going to be a train going to 125 St, where they can transfer to 125th St buses. Just because there isn't a one seat ride going somewhere doesn't mean we have to force one. Either way, there's a lot of places that aren't served by trains that need to be.

A to Forest Hills is usually bad, and won't get much ridership, it should just be a new route. This one just completely messes up the train because you're running both and train on the same track, you could run either or train local/express, and make both trains go to Jewel Av instead of just the . But at least give the some dignity and put it on a track by itself. It works best when it's self-contained, like the . I think now you've screwed up the and train service. With all of the ways to rearrange how you're rearranging service, I would do this: Church - Culver - Crosstown - Northern Blvd (after Queens Plaza) Canarsie - 14 St - 10 Av - 57 ST - Bypass Local - Jewel CI - Sea Beach - 4 Av - Broadway - 60 St -Bypass Express Bay Ridge - 4 Av - Broadway - 60 St - Astoria - Ditmars Blvd WTC - 8 Av - 53 St - QBL Local Same Route as Current Day Metropolitan - Myrtle - Jamaica - 6 Av - 53 St - QBL Local train should go on the QBL Express via 63 St.

This one is.. fine I guess, assuming it goes through Forest Hills onto Jewel Avenue, or merging in QBL. QBL would pretty much feel like the same route, except the fact that trains is off the line. You still have Broadway Services on QBL, and it still does no good because 60th St is the same. You still improved Forest Hills, but now people on local trains (if they are [still] on the train after Roosevelt Av) have to transfer at Queens Plaza, for service. And vice versa for QBL local service past Northern Blvd. If we want Northern Blvd Service, we should use trains from Court Sq, onto Northern Blvd, stopping at Broadway - Northern Blvd, and going up the route that you had on the map. But with your plan you're not doing much but makig an 8-car train go somewhere, where people would most likely flock to as an alternative to the . You should just run the to Flushing, under this plan I think an train wouldn't even be able to terminate at Queens Plaza, and any other place would be too far, because the only other feasible nearby terminal would be.. the , and that would be hard trying to terminate a and train there, so you might as well just merge them, instead of having the train go to 96 St, because by the time this happens, trains to 96 St wouldn't be happening as much or at all anymore.

it would be an investment to connect a line across 57 St, to the Queen Bypass, stoping at Queens Plaza/Queensboro Plaza (a new transfer). [Perhaps the train that someone else proposed earlier.

Can it work? Probably, but are there better ways, yes. Which is easier? a subway probably.

alright anyone in NYC would be very very wary of any light rail routes, so you'd probably get 1 every 10 years. if not worse, nobody really wants a light rail route, so you might as well do a subway that's surface level or at grade.

the train doesn't really need 4 tracks anywhere, since it's a route that doesn't share tracks with other trains, and runs as peak direction express. 42 is also a cross town route, so I don't think you can put 4 tracks under 42 St, note that and trains are not directly on top of each other, so I don't know which one is directly under 42 St, or 41 St if one of them is running directly under those Streets. Same thing with the train because I don't know the geography on 34 St and how this can be built without disrupting any work, or the M34/A bus. Now this idea is interesting running the on the express tracks via 63 St isn't a good idea because there's no express service to Queens Plaza. That won't bode well with Queens Passengers going to LIC (But it's still service going there). But taking the off 63 St just takes off capacity for both and lines to 179th and Parsons/Archer. So I guess putting the to 179th is a good idea, but run 1 TPH for Parsons/Archer on both lines. But you'd still have to cap some service and run some trains through 60 St as a local or express train (Where are you placing your trains?) Your train is a mess, first of all if it takes over SAS and goes back to 125th St, it's just zigzagging through Manhattan, and is a triple crosstown line going across 14 St, 57 St, and 125th St with provisions to expand. Once Phase 3 becomes an actual thing, there's also the train that'll connect 72 St trains, and 2 Av - 14 St trains. A better place for that train is the Bypass, having trains end at Forest Hills, using the Express tracks/Jamaica Yard to turn back, and making the train go to Jewel Av. But the and running on the same line is a non starter.