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60th St is already packed as it is, you'll have to create a new tunnel, and (Y) doesn't need to replace service if it's going on the Queens Bypass. The works fine, and you're forcing people to transfer onto another interlined line . It won't make it much faster since it's running on the 2nd Av and not on the West Side. You'll make passengers transfer to the (Y) at a long 51 St, or at Forest Hills/Grand St

I really prefer the 8th > 53 > QBL; 6th > 63 > QBE solution. I think the will likely be the weak link, and the should come back and fill in that 6th Av local capacity during Weekdays only. (Likely going to be 12/9/6). My MAIN problem is the terminals, and what train terminates where. If you have trains would likely have to do some weird terminal stuff. I don't think express trains and local trains can terminate and go through Forest Hills with the same service to Jamaica, that'll have to change or be merged with service or service, but not both.

Then you lose all local service from Queens Plaza. You'd force a horrible backtrack of a transfer (either forcing a transfer at W4, or Jackson backwards).

This carries over to any peak direction train, namely the in the Bronx, and the / split in Brooklyn/Queens. Personally I can't wait to hear Vans' IND deinterlining ideas.

Yes but the deinterlining with transfers now is going to be different with transfers later. More than likely, a or train will come within 2 minutes of an or train. It's not a long wait, and not as bad as it would be now.

I think the way that the can become its own thing is by ending at Ditmars Blvd, and the turning off right either right before Astoria Blvd right after Astoria Blvd or right after the Astoria terminal, similar to the , where the and the serves the Astoria/Harlem riders and is going to be lighter going into Broadway and the and serves the heavier Bronx/LaGuardia riders. Astoria's lettering isn't really set in stone since all 4 routes on Broadway have been there through history.

It does actually answers them though, there's a / switch from 59 - 145 St and the is running on Astoria/LaGuardia with a new yard in the old Con Ed parking lot (in vanshook's) post the yard if the is no longer running out of it. To clarify, the Coney Island Yard would have the: and trains running out of it. The will be in the Jamaica Yard. (and some trains in the Concourse). would have space in that new yard, and you can even run some in that new Astoria Yard. @R10 2952's comment doesn't even make sense in this topic for Proposals, that statement was unnecessary, pointless, fruitless, irrelevant, stupid, unproductive, and futile.

Quotes from: http://www.vanshnookenraggen.com/_index/2020/10/deinterlining-with-one-switch/

As far as I'm concerned, the plan was putting 6th Av service on the express and the on the local to Bay Ridge. isn't running because there's no need for Brighton Express service.

The would run the full route from Astoria - Bay Ridge, it'll just be the and trains late nights.

Or the inverse and the just doesn't run on weekends. Do you really need a replacement for 96 St Service? I'll bite this one, being extended too far from 2nd Avenue is something I'm against (also who wants service to Wards?). Maybe if the was extended I'd be fine with it since it's going close to it's current route (via a lower level). Grand Central Parkway/LIE being used as a train roue is questionable, and I'm sure that @engineerboy6561 can clarify if GCP is a right placement for it. [Elevated or not?] I'd rather a 2nd Av route that's straight through 125th St and 3rd Av, Bronx. I think that a separate route can replace the for the Queens route. As for your (P) route, there doesn't need to be a route from 125th St to that part of Queens unless it goes to the airport. (or straight to it via Astoria). Northern Blvd is probably my favorite proposal so far which is a couple pages back (go back ~10 pages for the proposal of the line).

While you are correct, we have stated that the Broadway Services are a better option than 6th Av because of the residents and what they've always had which is the train on the line. No point in changing it now. This is a conversation that happens at least once a month on this particular topic, probably because people have many ideas about it.

Brighton Riders perfer the Broadway lines, and wouldn't be losing any 6th Av service. 4th Av lines have the to go to Broadway and the transfer at DeKalb.

It's just as likely for either cars to come into service for. 55% prediction, I think that the R179 will come first because the R211A will likely be delayed back a little bit.

I do believe that they'll have delivered by this time next year. Of course, there's still the R179s but those are horrible. We're really just waiting for either R179s to come back with adequate service or R211s to go into service.

I really don't think that R46s will last long on the Broadway Express anyways. By the time the R211 comes, the R160s should be going back to the and lines. If you need more cars, put remaining R46s on the .

I only fear that there's going to be less local service, though that can be solved with service. Personally, you don't need service on Astoria, if the is going to run to it and you can have the go to 96 St.

I don't think people realize why trains like the or even the * are important to service. I think the only elimination I'd agree with is of the because screw that skip stop train just make it express. There always needs to be adequate replacement, and with and trains, there aren't any adequate replacements for daytime service without screwing over any other route. I've said this earlier, any service cuts will look like what happened during the middle (or beginning depending on how long this goes on) of COVID. Also what would the 40% cut in the IRT look like now?

Not just the local, but the via Montague so it could run local.. Whole idea was a mess. Manhattan Bridge lines, CPW* and QBL all need to be detangled within the B-Division. Queens Blvd needs that train off the line. My solution is to have 25% of trains go to Sea Beach and end at 86 St, while the rest go to Bay Ridge. Now the will end at Astoria and trains will end at 96 St (which will just make it the but full time, and can probably just split frequencies (or just more locals than expresses) since they're running on the same track from 96 to Prospect Park). and Queens Blvd will have and trains. this way trains run local, that have the same frequency as the *, run express while trains run express and trains run local via 63 St. *For CPW, any plan that's put in place [ express, local being the best possible one without any Northern terminals changing] would either lengthen the or trains. Of course, the would have to be express in the bracketed scenario, unless you make a switch to the express tracks pre-50th st, then the can be the local line (and more reliable.) service would be the express until Hoyt where they split into current day service. You'll probably be able to run a lot more service since there are less merges between , , , , trains. Whatever plan in place, it might screw some passengers over, while helping others.

How is a tunnel/another bridge out of the question?

I only agree with Lexington/50th but if you're going to spread it across 3 blocks, make it Lexington, 3rd and 2nd Avenues. 6th-Rock... 6th and 7th would be better, but it leaves a gap from Lexington to 6th, which is why i think 8th Av should have an exit at 7th Av, so 6th and 5th can have that exit. Clinton - 42 is fine because it doesn't go past that 7 line, and leaves those provisions for later.. working like 8th Av - 14 St.

I kinda agree with you on Main being a better corridor and having it end in Jamaica Center or even just two seperate branches. 9th with a transfer to 8th , 7th with a transfer to , and 5th can have a Madison Exit.

I think that's a really long passage way for 8th Av, and if any passengers wanted to get to the they'd have to walk extra. That passageway would be like a slightly better 2nd Av-Grand Central transfer and could be made better with moving the exit to 7th Av. My two cents. IF this were to be made, the should not have to go past Main St since it serves that main line.

I'm assuming that the 8th Av station has a 7th Avenue exit (for the transfers) and the 6th Av station has a 5th Avenue exit, otherwise this is great.

I meant the comment as in IND and BMT, but i made it too general which is my fault. I usually think of the as 8th/Fulton, as 6th, as Jamaica, as Brighton, so yeah I get the letters thing. I was saying it wouldn't matter in terms of service not familiarity. Eliminating the would make you extend the to Euclid (Which would be pretty bad since it's the most reliable and flexible service on the QBL.) and make the local on CPW (because the can't handle the line on it's own). This would also make you run the local past 145 St and I'm not exactly sure how that would work in terms of switches. All of this is dependent on whether the runs local on 4th Av or not. If it does run local, you can probably add more service.