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1 hour ago, MysteriousBtrain said:
Because CB members know exactly how to run a system of millions better than MTA. Even if MTA has perfect service you are never going to please everyone.
Are you trying to pin fault on MTA for something out of their control? Because a lot of the time that's not how it works. Take the subway for example. Everyone loves to pin the MTA at fault when a subway is delayed. But what happens when get a random drunk person that does this:
By the way this happens a lot more often than you think. A few days ago one of my friends caught a video of someone in broad daylight on the tracks while catching the R179
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An average bus lives to be around 15. CNGs built at the time could only last a maximum of 15 years. You're telling me that you would rather retire something that has more life or rebuild a unit rather than "wait the last possible moment". This already shows you don't know how even the smallest bus system works. It costs money to convert CNGs to other fuels no matter where you go.
Until you prove you know how a simple bus works, all the points you are trying to make are moot. It just apples to oranges. You have your "opinion" and there's no changing it. But don't you dare say anything about knowing kow every bus system works because operating Bee-line or any other system is not the same as operating MTA.
West Farm has been open longer then 10 years has been CNG since it open so what got converted ?? JG has been CNG since 99 so once again they dropped the ball it didn't sneak up on them. I know more then you think I just don't believe in giving excuse for people not doing there jobs.
Nothing is brand new this system is 100+ and it worst now with more technology. Not a fan of Cuomo outside of him doing what should have been done with the MTA hold the agency accountable.
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15 minutes ago, Cait Sith said:
Since you seem to know so much, how about you work over there and see if you can do better? Since apparently, you seem to know a lot more, and can apparently do a lot better.
You haven't given any logical response other than "lol poor management".
It's one thing to not fully understand things, but it's another to beat a dead horse.Respone to what?? That what you pay them for correct. I would do a million times better then the pencials pushers wasting your money. Countdown clocks with horrible service what really the point Its too easy. My opions should not affect you giving that they give you A one service.
Take a poll of everyday New York, CB members they wont feel like you. I watch the MTA open forums they dance around just like you with no real answer to why thing are failing.
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2 hours ago, East New York said:
Your overall point is correct, however I need to elaborate on a few of the actual detail of your post @MysteriousBtrain
The 110 buses were ordered to shift operations towards the use of more CNG buses, and covert the Bx36, as well as boost artic ops on the Bx15 as well. In the original plan there would have been about 15 diesel artics remaining and thats all. They have 45 now because of the plan changes. The B35 was always considered, but not confirmed until finalization was made for the contract through fleet planning. Then they decided to upgrade Gleason for artic ops.
C40’s were never planned for the Bx6+. The reason many of them have replaced Spectrum color signs is because MTA has a settlement with LUMINATOR on all signs that are not the new technology. If one of the Titan signs in a C40 malfunctions, LUMINATOR will replace it with a Spectrum. This makes the signs usable in more buses, and also have common parts.
It also would have not been the first route to use all new buses on SBS service. That would be the Q52/53+ when it comes to new branding.
Now as far as SBS goes as a whole, it ONLY started in The Bronx because MTA saw Pelham Parkway as the perfect platform to test the new service on. The B46 was the original reason for the inception of SBS. Bronx was first for Artics because of the same thing way back in 1995. If it worked there or failed there it would be low risk. They ended up going the route they did and plan certain routes based on logistics and in-service learning and analyzing of the viability. Q44 was planned years before some of the other routes.
They still haven’t made it to the B46 just yet.
West Farms actually never got the XD40’s they have because of the
Train shuttle. They were scheduled to get 8 in the revised deployment plans for regular service. The only Depots confirmed for shuttle were in Brooklyn, Manhattan, and Queens. WF already had XN40’s and MTA just wanted new buses on the route. Now post Train, WF has seen an increase of XD40’s to cover service since there will be enough of them to go around now that the shuttle is off.
The overall point for the above poster is “Foresight” doesn’t always matter when pattens change. Back then the B46 was the heaviest line in the city. 4 other routes have now taken that spot at one time or another. You are on point for the overall message though.
Sounds like more excuse for poor magnement to much access to data for hiccups so simple. You money is wasted on supervisors not crossing T and dot the I it's really a joke you believe these thing are not unavolblie.
The tanks on the CNG are something that should be priorty not waiting until everything expires. It's the same mill in most companies not just MTA nobody will address the issue and hold people accountable. Just make excuse until it directly affect a certain party then it's a issue.
The System it a joke at this point and i dont see it turning arounds anytime soon. People will use more ride share service instead of wasting money on a systems not working for the people.
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2 hours ago, East New York said:
No, this thread is for discussion on anything related to the fleet, operations and depots. However, as @Cait Sith said, it’s clear you don’t have a full grasp of operations. As I said WF has more buses than ANY other Depot, and the operations of today were NOT planned. The Bx6 and Bx6 local were not confirmed when the CNG artic order went in. You also have u planned maintenance issues and accidents everyday that eat into the spare factor. WF will perpetually be late now and then because of the operations demand
Yeah I don’t remember saying it was in the city. It’s at the vendor.
Foresight is part of job as well the Bx6, Bx36 were no secret as far as ridership poor management plays a big part. Politics has it's part so something things are out of the MTA hands so I get, I just call BS when I see it not trying to justify mediocre management.
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2 hours ago, Cait Sith said:
Judging by that response, you don't really know what you're talking about. That whole response is nothing more than a cop-out.
It's more of this thread is for fleet moves not our opinions on the state of the MTA. I'm trying to respect the thread for other sake would have been a good debate.
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4 hours ago, Cait Sith said:
You do understand that NYMTA isn't the only agency that has had these types of issues, right?
Data isn't the only thing needed. There's a whole lot more to it than just data, as things can change on a dime. Data is also not always concrete.King County Metro, the highest rated transit agency in all of the US, is currently going through similar issues. They retired so many of the older articulated buses that they're perpetually short on buses, also to the point where they have had 30ft buses on routes that use 60ft express buses.
That a lack of effort to do your job if you ask me, I wont go into this on this post I understand the sensitive of the board. we are all entitled to our opinion on the state of the MTA I leave it at that.
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2 hours ago, East New York said:
Neither the Bx6 or the Bx6+ were in the plans when they were ordered. There was also no option as this was the first time MTA was implementing artics other than diesel.
You all should also take note that WF has more buses than the average depot that are around the same age. This means they have to be rotated out for regularly scheduled maintenance, and there are the unplanned maintenance issues that are encountered as well. Not only that, WF bus demand and requirements are higher than any other depot in the city and you all don’t realize that. They have nearly 330 buses on average at all times, and not one of them are express.
The 36 has artics on it now, and the total increased.
I can't give a system of this size a break to many people not doing there job. Data is the key to efficiently running a system not just transit systems. I watch them BS and drop the ball and waste money on everything but fixing the system.
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1 hour ago, Chris Alleyne said:
Which can there for be considered poor planning on the DoB's part. If they were more practical and didn't play cute, they would have placed to separate CNG orders. 260 XN40s and 110 XN60s. That would have been more then enough to replace the Orion VII OG CNGs and convert several CNG lines to artic.
Nobody ever acknowledges the poor mismanagement and lack of effort to order correctly.
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He pulled y'all in im glad i don't take this to serious 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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18 hours ago, V886132 said:
I wouldn't be surprised if they wind up on the
, as the R142s from the will likely have to go to the 
for Lexington Ave CBTC before the R262s.
Knowing TA the
will get the R142 from the 0 -
4 hours ago, Brillant93 said:
The B6 isn’t anywhere near SC depot so why would they even take it if it were possible. B15 as well is another one I don’t think should even should go to SC.
the B15 isn’t anywhere near FB depot and that wouldn’t even make sense.
The M14 sbs was supposed to be next but with Cuomo changing things up we don’t know if it will be altered.
SC is 5 min from the New lots av actually.
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13 minutes ago, Ultimategamer12c said:
In a perfect world trippers B6, 20, 83 splitting the 15 could happen with all Postal Trips to SC.
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4 hours ago, DueceDrives said:
TBH kings Plaza can’t handle another buses route. 80% of the time with the exception after Business hours, too many buses layover and theres barely space. So sending the 36 would be no point when the B3 already head towards that direction via Avenue U.
FB building needs major repairs and upgrades. When it rains heavy the Filmore side stairwell leaking pretty heavy.
The 36 is good defiantly no space for the 36, 100 should be at FB also but the space is limited and the MTA Bus thing. The ENY\SC situation can be so much better there is space for a least 2 to 3 more local routes.
SC - B13, 14, 84, 103, Q7, 8, BM1-4
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1 hour ago, EastFlatbushLarry said:
the 36 at FB (or at least splitting it with UP) is a very interesting thought. someone also suggested the B4 at FB (or at least splitting it by sending part of the run board back to UP) either way, we're getting into fantasy land so to speak and as I've stated, the logistics of actual run times, pull outs/pull ins gets deeper than just a strike of a pen to send lines here & there just for the sake of restructuring a flawed division (personal opinion)
by the way, i LOVE the ideas of the 9 at FB and the Q54 at GA (i think FP doesn't need the headache anymore, but i digress)
FB can handle all KP routes I believe you can streamline that whole terminal. GA does OK with WPB routes and that helps keep DH times down FP not as close to WBP or Jamaica as they would like it will help the route. UP does OK but that sheepshead DH is a killer rush hour for the 36 That where FB comes in.
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ENY - B12, 14, 15, 17, 25, 42, 45, 60, 65, 82, 83, 84, Q24, 56
FB - B2, 9, 31, 36(UP), 41, 44, 46, 47, 49
JG - B4, 8, 11, 16, 35, 37, 43, 48, 61, 63, 67, 69, 70
FP - B7, 13, 20, 26, 52, 54, 57, Q55, 58
GA - B24, 32, 38, 39, 62, Q54, 59
UP- B1, 3, 6, 36(FB), 64, 68 74, X27, 28, 37, 38
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On 1/1/2019 at 11:30 PM, Future ENY OP said:
The last thing we need at this point is an extension from where via B6: Bensonhurst to Spring Creek. (Dead on arrival)
Honestly and truthfully, the integrity of the B6 service would suffer dearly if this extension you are proposing were to take place.
There are tons of routes in the area that can service the Spring Creek Basin including the infamous B84 that everyone here is to either extend, eliminate, and vice versa. If the
was really smart and had more community input to its proposals situations like the B84 can easily be resolved. The 84 is strictly an East New York- Spring Creek bus that should provide service within the areas of East New York and Spring Creek only.
That the biggest problem the routes are not created based off the community needs. They are made by people who never stepped foot in these areas. We can utilize the B84 it just need to go where we want service and its not on Ashford.
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4 minutes ago, Future ENY OP said:
I’m going to leave this right here. All this fighting and bickering ain’t going to get these ideas across. The last I checked this is a transit board where like minded people have an interest in the way transportation is designed in this city.
Now, everyone doesn’t have to agree with you as we all have different perspectives on how bus routes are designed. With all that said I’m going to say this. Chill with the arguments. It’s kinda frustrating going back and forth and there’s no end in sight.
It’s like going through a yield sign. You go through it without stopping and than you hit a car on purpose. This is what’s going on here.
#fin
It's a debate he entitled to his opinion it's ok to have dialog it won't end the world. I'm Kool as a fan I enjoy different ensign on situations I could be missing something maybe I could not see.
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48 minutes ago, B35 via Church said:
In other words, you can't conjure up a supporting argument for keeping the B84 around, separate of anything involving altering the Penn. routes.
Not being an everyday rider doesn't eliminate anyone of having an accurate assessment of an area; same age-old lame duck disqualification attempt.... Miss me with these little vague statements, "your talk is not geared towards the current situation in the area", "You not a everyday rider of the routes in this area I can tell by the you lack of knowledge"... If you had all this damn knowledge you're putting on this front like you have, you'd have been laid it out on front street already....
I'll stick to Marine Park, East Flatbush (where I actually live), any other neighborhood in Brooklyn, any other neighborhood in any of the other 4 boroughs, and anywhere else I see fit..... I know more about your area than you appear to think & have had other people that live in the same sector of Brooklyn you claim to, that have concurred with my commentaries about it... If I was so full of shit, I'd have BEEN called out around these parts.... So you really aint hittin on anything like you think you are....
Deflections all over the place out of you..... With the Penn routes, you aren't saying anything different that I haven't said 10 times over on this forum already.... The debunking of your short-sighted assessment of the B13 wasn't an attempt whatsoever at comparing it to the B83.... Now you're resorting to shutting down strawman arguments.... smh.
Look, don't talk to me about being all over the place, when you resort to bringing up:
- altering the Penn routes to justify keeping the B84 around...
- the B6 & the B82 as to why the B83 was chosen for the extension to Gateway....
- the B13 being a so-called "wasted route...
- the B13 having "nothing to do with the B83
You've got nothing plausible when it comes to keeping the B84... Not your little vague statements, not your little red herrings/deflections, not your attempt to try to minimize the B13, not your B84 proposal, not the comparison of the B24 to your B84 proposal...
Nothing.
Lol my proposal are base off of me actually riding the route at varies times of the day. You not from here so you not fimlair with the shops and pockets of businesses in and around New lots. We like to stick to the area of ENY, Brownsville & Canarsie. It would not matter if the B13 goes to Williamsburg or Ridgewood it won't add ridership to gateway, Plus the B13 has a purpose and it serves that Gateway is extra.
The B83 is the Starrett city bus that most of the rider not gateway customers it actually made it worse then it was. The B20 is almost as bad as the B13 it's only around because you need extra service to Broadway Junction. I don't mind you opions because there not based off were I live. That why the B84 was created to help ENY get to gateway only issue it's not serving ENY. But I would not expect you to know that so it's ok bro I'm not losing sleep over somebody from Flatbush talking to me about service in my area.
The B20 has been cut and alter because it cost more then it bring in manly bad routing. While the B83 is packed because nobody wants to transfer at Pennsylvania & New lots or Wortman & Van siclen from the B20.
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23 minutes ago, B35 via Church said:
...except you haven't made a cogent argument yet for keeping it around.
Juxtaposing the [lackadaisical usage of the B84] in with the [issues plaguing the Penn. routes (B20/B83)] isn't a supporting argument.... Declaring that musical chairs should be played with other routes isn't a supporting argument.... Go somewhere with this red herring fallacy....
The MTA's own ridership stats since the route's inception, by itself, is enough to support getting rid of the thing..... Don't bother conveying that there's this untapped ridership to be had either, because there's no proof of it.... If the route was so in demand & sought after, then it would have accumulated far more riders than what it currently garners... Fact of the matter is, people that are snatching up those homes out there are driving & I can't say I exactly blame them..... The residents in & around the area aren't considering what's supposed to be "their" bus - that's all the "backing" that's needed... There isn't any good in having a bus route around if any significant collective of patrons are refusing to consider embarking on it...
Furthermore, your assertion of the B13 is myopic & utterly ridiculous..... So since Brooklynites living in ENY aren't riding the thing to its other end terminal, that makes the thing wasteful? Also, this notion that it's only the Cypress Hill folks taking B13's to Gateway is a straight up lie... The B83 having been extended to the mall hasn't taken away that much ridership from off the B13 to the mall.....
You don't live in this area it's ok your off a bit stick to Marine Park areas you don't know ENY. The B13 is a feeder for Euclid av nothing more I been off the B84 seeing your talk is not geared towards the current situation in the area. You not a everyday rider of the routes in this area I can tell by the you lack of knowledge. The B83 was chosen because the B6 & B82 are longer enough and would only add run time. The B13 has nothing to do with the B83 being extend there not even in the same rider pool.
Your jump all over the place and by the way the B24 is a semi circle route that works well for Greenpoint, Maspeth & Williamsburg.
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13 hours ago, B35 via Church said:
Yeah right, coming from someone that suggests restructuring the B20 to have the B84 take on some foolish semi-circular routing & having commenced in a further defense of it.... You claim to live in the area & that's the best you can come up with.... Just like the B84, what a joke.... This is most certainly about that route & the fact that you're adamant about the thing being not being useless.... Nobody's disputing that it's not filling a demand - which makes it useless
Don't talk to me about knowledge when you come on here talking about the B13 being a wasted route...
The MTA let you down with the B84, too bad.... To hell with this exchange of posts on here, the riders are talking with their feet... The thing is useless.
Pennsylvania Ave is plague by the horrible service pattern, the B20 is dead past rush hour. Wortman av and points east only need access to the (3). The B83 is the primary route to Broadway Junction by the amount of people that get off on van siclen whatever bus is ok. The B13 is a wasted route nobody wants to go to Williamsburg from ENY on the bus. Bushwick is a quicker ride by take the (J) or the (C) to the Junction. Outside of Cypress Hill Houses nobody rides the B13 to gateway
You don't really have anything backing your opions towards the B84 needing to be cut. Those 3 routes could do better redesigned to streamline Pennsylvania av which should be a major concern.
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6 hours ago, B35 via Church said:
- Where do I get what number from? What are you talking about....
- I'm not going to keep going back & forth with you about the B84.... I said what I said in prior posts to you in this thread & my sentiments are not going to change - Nor is the shitty usage of the B84 apparently
.... I mean listen, you feel that strongly about making the thing more useful, take it up with the MTA & fight for whatever change you deem necessary....
- As far as the Q8, people of your ilk not wanting to go to Queens (who's even disputing this??) doesn't mean that the route should continue to serve much of a bunch of nothing along Fountain, south of Vandalia.... I'm not sure why you bothered conveying that to me anyway, as I just sat there & said verbatim "The whole point of the Q8 extension was to serve Gateway, not to better serve Brooklyn neighborhoods"...
- You say the B13 is a wasted route... I say the B18 was more useful than this damn B84 the MTA got running out here - look where the hell that route ended up !
It’s not about the B84 and more of your lack of knowledge of the area and the service needs. The network in that area is not geared towards the demands of service for the present time. I don’t really go to Gateway so I could care less if the B84 stay or goes, But it’s not useless I will say that.
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10 hours ago, B35 via Church said:
Yeah, with the combination of [the current terminal having been carved, proximate to Gateway II] & [the closing of Brooklyn DDSO], there's no real point to having buses run down Fountain all the way to the end....
I say the B84 should get axed, regardless....
For what you're proposing here however, I'd have the Q8 running via Erskine & the B13 running via Vandalia....
The whole point of the Q8 extension was to serve Gateway, not to better serve Brooklyn neighborhoods..... That route is a PITA along 101st as it is; nevermind what it has to deal with within Jamaica proper.... With that said, I would not have Q8's making all those stops you list after the (current) Fountain/Flatlands stop..... After Flatlands, I'd only have it stopping by the eastern end of Gateway II (Buffalo Wild Wings), the current Site dr. stop, and the western end of Gateway II (current terminal)..... Leave Vandalia/Fountain & Erskine/Vandaila for the B13.... As for the Home depot stop (which was where they had B84's temporarily terminating at throughout most of this year), the problem I have with it is that it exacerbates traffic in the immediate area.... That right lane/curbside lane should be left for all the mall goers making that right turn inside the mall....
I think the B13 is underserved as it is, but (if one were to) have the B13 running via Vandalia (esp. during peak hours), you may end up needing short turns b/w the mall & Jamaica av. when Spring Creek gets fully developed down there.....
As somebody from this area where do you get you number from ??. That community will use the B84 if it better servers us say New Lots or Pennsylvania Avenue. No one will use the B84 from New Lots because the people that use gateway don’t come from the
. Brookline, Linden & Blvd all use gateway but don’t have a direct bus beside the horrible B83. If you give the B84 more western service you can draw people to it.
The Q8 will not do much for that side as none of us really wanna go to QNS. The B13 is a wasted routes should just left the B18. That the biggest issue with the bus system it’s not basied off the neighborhood that use them. We have 7 Routes in and Around the Spring Creek (Gateway) & ENY area only 2 sever the mall from the same direction.
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9 minutes ago, trainfan22 said:
Their the GOAT bus.
I know all of this, I've been fanning for a long time lol. The last sentence in my previous post was sort of a joke.
I also live next to the B6 so I see their buses all the time even when I'm not fanning.
Outside of rush the RTS are on Standby most the Brooklyn Division follow the practice.
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NTT are way more sensitive it would be a very high risk running the Manhattan portion without yard access.
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Train shuttle. They were scheduled to get 8 in the revised deployment plans for regular service. The only Depots confirmed for shuttle were in Brooklyn, Manhattan, and Queens. WF already had XN40’s and MTA just wanted new buses on the route. Now post 
, as the R142s from the 
for Lexington Ave CBTC before the R262s.
was really smart and had more community input to its proposals situations like the B84 can easily be resolved. The 84 is strictly an East New York- Spring Creek bus that should provide service within the areas of East New York and Spring Creek only.
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JG still had diesel before 1999 correct?? my feeling wont change when your tell me thing I know already. I'm not here to change anybody mind on what they feel about the MTA. In my 25+ years of dealing with the MTA I've see it decline due to poor management. You have supervisor sitting in cars burning gas while buses are bunching so spare me the whoa is me story with the MTA.
I have family in and around the MTA so it's not smoke I'm blowing. I'm part of a few that see this for what it really is not super coating the situation.