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Hey Guys

How do you envision NYC Subways in 50 Years?

Just now, ibroketheprinter said:

Presumably retired. If we call the lifespan of a subway car about 40 years, that would mean that the R160s (now about 10 years old, scary to think 😬)  would be 50-60 by then, and unless we end up with another R32 situation they will most likely be headed for the scrapyards.

I Love the R160s and R179s, I Gonna Miss them in next 40-50 years. RIP R160s 2006-2059/2069. Which Trains will replace R160s in Next 40-50 Years?

2 minutes ago, Bay Ridge Express said:

that too, I thought you were asking about what would happen to the train itself

have you heard about the subway conquestors? they do these all that shit.

On 5/4/2019 at 9:39 PM, R68OnBroadway said:

Here's a list of what I think to be the 10 most deteriorated stations (this is in no specific order and is also based only on stations that I have been to)

1. Bowery  

2. Norwood-205th  

3. Broadway  

4. West 4th  

5.  6th Av  

6. East Broadway  

7. 2nd Av  

8. Hoyt-Schermerhorn  

9. 149th St-Grand Concourse  

10. Chambers  

 

149th St-Grand Concourse doesn't look that bad but yes needs improvement, the worst is Third Avenue–138th Street, Chambers St of the Bronx.

It needs full modernization and renovation.

1 minute ago, Bay Ridge Express said:

most likely taken OOS for maintenance

if they use hammer and break the glass windows of subway cars? i would call the cops and get them arrest for vandalism.

On 5/4/2019 at 9:39 PM, R68OnBroadway said:

Here's a list of what I think to be the 10 most deteriorated stations (this is in no specific order and is also based only on stations that I have been to)

1. Bowery  

2. Norwood-205th  

3. Broadway  

4. West 4th  

5.  6th Av  

6. East Broadway  

7. 2nd Av  

8. Hoyt-Schermerhorn  

9. 149th St-Grand Concourse  

10. Chambers  

 

Well Said

Hey Guys, What if some Idiots smash the windows of subway cars? what would have happened to them?

https://about.bgov.com/news/manafort-linked-firm-helps-china-company-chase-nyc-subway-deal/

Why would China instead of Japan Kawasaki manufactures R262?

20 hours ago, trainfan22 said:

SMS = Special Maintenance Service

 

The R179s are not getting retired until 40 years from now at the MINIMUM. The TA is not gonna retire cars that are less than 5 years old and cost a million+ per car.

 

The 179s might have teething issues that need to be sorted out so the old SMEE's will pinch hit for the 179s from time to time.

What would have happened to R160s 40-50 years from now?

4 hours ago, Q23 via 108 said:

What he wants is for every subway car to be a NTT, but it wouldn't make sense to retire fully functioning fleets (R62/A and R68/A) just to satisfy the luxury of having a 100% NTT fleet. He sees other countries and sees that they have a lot of tech that we don't have. But what works in Japan doesn't mean it will work in New York. 

That is my Opinion

20 hours ago, VIP said:

You’re acting like one dude, chill out. You have rights to your opinion but your commenting on a PUBLIC forum. Some of the content you share may be offensive or downright banter. Here we hold a bit of a higher standard with relevant and coherent thoughts and sources, or suggestions. So please chill, read some threads, research MTA history and politics, understand that this here is also a community. Thanks. 

Ok, I respect all of you guys opinion. I Like you all.

2 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

Yea the R32's will stay at 207th until retirement. R42's will likely be on the as spares. As of now the R32's are still being sms'ed at 207th st and ta is putting money into them (finally) and their mdbf has improved by 3,000 miles vs. Last year.  There's two reasons for that. 1st reason is R179 issues and 2nd the R46's are aging terrible now. 

 

what is sms? so R179s are being Retired? R179s should not be retired it needs to be fixed ASAP.

On 5/4/2019 at 8:43 PM, subwayfan1998 said:

Guys can you sign the Petition to Renovate East Broadway

https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/renovate-the-east-broadway-subway-station-now

Anyone?

11 hours ago, Jemorie said:

I’m gonna be blatantly honest here. All that subwayfan1998 kid does is spend most of his time on the forums bitching about anything old and he has been doing this ever since he first showed up on the forums. That’s what I’ve noticed from 66% of his posts. He needs to grow up. Even the , for example, admitted in their full report of the  and  lines back in December 2015 that older cars are the least cause of delays on both lines and had more to do with aging signals and tracks that date back to the time that the three corridors (which both lines currently operate on along their routes) were first open. The kid has a whole lot to learn during his stay here.

Well No One Likes me in the Forum, All the Signals and the Tracks need to be replaced with Brand new ones. Stop calling me a Kid, I'm not a Kid.

11 hours ago, Jemorie said:

I’m gonna be blatantly honest here. All that subwayfan1998 kid does is spend most of his time on the forums bitching about anything old and he has been doing this ever since he first showed up on the forums. That’s what I’ve noticed from 66% of his posts. He needs to grow up. Even the , for example, admitted in their full report of the  and  lines back in December 2015 that older cars are the least cause of delays on both lines and had more to do with aging signals and tracks that date back to the time that the three corridors (which both lines currently operate on along their routes) were first open. The kid has a whole lot to learn during his stay here.

21 hours ago, HenryB said:

30+ years old trains are common around the world, and can be compatible with the modern world...

....if they received midlife refurbishment

For examples, C151 in Singapore have similar age to R68; Some M Stock in Hong Kong have ages of R46.

But their interiors have better shapes than some of our NTTs lol

 

It is too late to do retrofits on R68s and R62 now. MTA missed the opportunity to do that 10 years ago.

 

 

At Least those trains look New, Clean and NTTs unlike the R68s and R62s suppose to be NTTs.

Guys can you sign the Petition to Renovate East Broadway

https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/renovate-the-east-broadway-subway-station-now

On 4/28/2019 at 11:25 PM, subwayfan1998 said:

I Care because R68s and R62s are compatible with Modern World, Look at Japan, UK, Germany and Sweden, Trains are Nice and New unlike Trains in NYC.

I mean R68s and R62 aren't compatible with Modern World

3 hours ago, Bay Ridge Express said:

It's very questionable why there are still R62s on the   and  ... but I guess they have no choice

R62s is on the is mainly because of got R188s, many R142 converted to R188. might get R142s from the if CBTC on Lexington Avenue is Completed, then will get R62.

2 hours ago, transitfan111 said:

It seems unlikely that the MTA will consider any extension project until the Second Avenue line is complete. That is their main focus. 

True

1 hour ago, engineerboy6561 said:

Comments are above in blue.

i'm happy that you Partially Agree and Partially Disagree, I respect your opinion and i understand.

Ok I Will Keep just from Broad Street to Rosedale-Hook Creek Blvd and from Chambers Street to Rosedale since Chambers Street supposed to be a Giant Hub like Coney Island.

Also for the , you're Right. I Was just kidding. it is impossible to extend to Reads Lane.

For the Cambria Heights, Back in the 40's during WW2 there was a Plan to Extend to Cambria Heights via an extension of the subway under Pitkin Avenue, also there was a myth claim that 76th Street Station had existed and it was sealed off. The Fulton St subway should be extended from Euclid Ave along Pitkin Ave to Linden Blvd as a 4 track subway. Where the extension meets the Rockaways branch a new connection will be built so that express trains from the Fulton St subway can run to the Rockaways. The Fulton St Extension will continue east under Linden Blvd as 3 tracks for rush hour express service out to 235th St and Cross Island Parkway. The existing Liberty Ave elevated structure will then be torn down. 2nd Ave service would then run along the Fulton St subway and extension into either the Rockaways or further east to South Jamaica.

Here are the Links:

https://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/21/nyregion/tunnel-vision-next-stop-twilight-zone-a-k-a-76th-st-station.html

http://secondavenuesagas.com/2011/10/19/the-underground-mysteries-76th-street/

https://untappedcities.com/2015/08/31/searching-for-the-lost-76th-street-subway-station-the-roswell-of-the-nyc-subway-photos/

About the and the , it would rather prefer building Flushing Trunk Line, would be built parallel to Queens Plaza with 2 tracks serving Manhattan trains and 2 tracks serving a rerouted IND Crosstown G Line. The actual subway would be constructed underneath the Sunnyside railroad yards which is owned by the MTA. A second station would be built at Queens Plaza serving the Flushing Trunk Line with a free transfer to the Queens Blvd Line. The tracks under 37th Ave will be the first section of a super-express subway out to the Rockaways and will go as far as Broadway-Roosevelt Ave. After Roosevelt Ave the super-express line will head south along 78th St until it reaches the Long Island Railroad tracks at which point it will surface and run to the Rockaways along the abandoned LIRR Rockaways Line. There was a Plan back in the 60's plan of building a super-express line parallel to the Queens Blvd line along the LIRR Main line. The advantage to such a line would be a much quicker trip for commuters coming from further out in Queens. Any expansion into eastern Queens needs to deal with the long distance from Manhattan. Also there were plans called for various ways to connect the far off peninsula to the system; one connected the Rockaways via both the Queens Blvd line at Roosevelt Ave and a new trunk line through northern Brooklyn, a later plan called for express service from the Rockaways to connect to the Queens Blvd line at Forest Hills. This version would branch off from the super-express line at Rego Park and follow the abandoned right-of-way south through Forest Hills, Parkside, and Woodhaven where it would connect to the existing subway service to the Rockaways. This connection would slash the time it takes for riders to get to Midtown by bypassing downtown Brooklyn and downtown Manhattan.

for the , same thing about the Cambria Heights that i explained, After WW2, The subway was planned to be expanded eastward as development but the subway only made it one more station. The area is now densely populated and home to many transit dependent commuters. A 2 track extension from 179th St along Hillside Ave to Springfield Blvd in Queens Village is one of the better plans for subway expansion. At Springfield Blvd the line could continue along Hillside Ave to Floral Park-Little Neck Pkwy or could turn south along Braddock Ave, terminating at Jamaica Ave in Bellerose.

for the and the , They should be the line extended to Rosedale as there is not that much demand for Subway service in Southeast Queens (trains to arrive every 10 minutes at Peak Hours and every 15 to 20 minutes at Off Peak Hours), while the is extended to Queens Village-Springfield Blvd.

as for the and , the extension is possible, existing tunnels would be to extend the local train and from Forest Hills to Kew Gardens and into a new tunnel under Union Turnpike out to Floral Park. it would bring service from the Queens Boulevard line to the transit deserts of Pomonok, Floral Park, Bellerose, Hollis and Fresh Meadows in Central Queens. Also the is Super Longer than the running from 207th Street to Far Rockaway.

for the , I was refering to Broadway-125th Street.

for the , there are Plans to extend into Utica Avenue even Bill De Blasio support that Plan, which aims to improve transit, reduce emissions, and fight poverty. Since April 2019 planning was resumed when New York City Transit joined city agencies in launching the Utica Avenue Transit Improvement Study. The study will look into a subway extension, improved bus rapid transit, and a new light rail line.

Link for the Utica Avenue Subway:

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/transit/2019/04/06/utica-avenue-subway-extension-mta-to-study-if-it-is-worth-pursuing

For the , There are Plans to Extend the to Gowanus

http://secondavenuesagas.com/2016/09/16/the-9-train-lives-in-red-hook/

These Extensions i've mentioned is needed because These new services would substantially reduce commute times for New Yorkers and improve access to neighborhoods, which means more choices for jobs and housing. Expansion of the mostly underground subway system would reduce the number of surface transit trips and ease traffic congestion, providing more space for repurposing of roadways for pedestrians, bikers, and goods transporters. There are also opportunities for more redevelopment around stations, in some cases short-term, and others in the future. Finally, these improvements would substantially improve access to major open spaces, such as Alley Pond Park and Floyd Bennett Field. Large parts of Queens are not on the subway system—although many of these neighborhoods have Long Island Rail Road stations. Ridership is very low at these stops because service is infrequent and expensive. A more frequent subway-like service at these stations—and adds eight new stations in Elmhurst, Corona, Rego Park, Rochdale, Laurelton, and South Jamaica are needed.

Sources:

http://fourthplan.org/action/new-subways

2 hours ago, R68OnBroadway said:

 

Ok, Will Run Non-Stop from Chambers St to Rosedale-Hook Creek Blvd via Nassau St Local, Williamsburg Bridge, Jamaica Express, Archer Ave, Merrick Blvd and LIRR Atlantic Branch.
 

Just now, subwayfan1998 said:

How i would crowded the , can go to Leffert Blvd.

- I Understand

- why you consider Train Slow? Even i Mentioned Pitkin.

- why wouldn't QBL need Branching

- Why would it be Suck?

- why worse?

- why crowding the , can go to Lefferts.

- Staten Islanders want to a Subway that goes to Manhattan.

- ok!

Have you heard of Queensrail, Former LIRR Branch that many want to extend the Subway Line.

https://www.rockawave.com/articles/queens-rail-and-way-task-force-begins-work/

@R68OnBroadway

http://www.vanshnookenraggen.com/_index/2016/12/queensway-vs-subway/

2 minutes ago, R68OnBroadway said:

There are so many thing wrong with this, but I will focus on a few main issues:

 - The line doesn't go past Mott for a reason and if it did the furthest it would go would probably be the LIRR station. 

 - LOL! Nobody in Cambria Heights wants a slow-ass C train; the only way a line to Cambria Heights would be useful was if Fulton was extended under Pitkin, Liberty, Van Wyck and Linden (even so, the furthest I would go would be Springfield or Farmers)

 - QBL doesn't need more branching

 - figure it out why this would suck

 - yeah, let's make it even worse

 - this line doesn't go to the Bronx for good reason

 - Congrats! You have created another  and further crowded the  !

 - any SI route should come from NJ (PATH) as Brooklyn won't save time over the express bus and Manhattan would be prohibitively expensive unless the MTA reined in costs

 - any extension of the F would probably require you to send it express via Hillside and Culver as it would be unbearably long for train crews otherwise

 

How i would crowded the , can go to Leffert Blvd.

- I Understand

- why you consider Train Slow? Even i Mentioned Pitkin.

- why wouldn't QBL need Branching

- Why would it be Suck?

- why worse?

- why crowding the , can go to Lefferts.

- Staten Islanders want to a Subway that goes to Manhattan.

- ok!

Have you heard of Queensrail, Former LIRR Branch that many want to extend the Subway Line.

https://www.rockawave.com/articles/queens-rail-and-way-task-force-begins-work/

46 minutes ago, subwayfan1998 said:

Kingsbridge-238th St to East New York-Flatlands Ave
 

Kingsbridge-238th St to East New York-Flatlands Ave via Tunnel Between 148th St and 165th St, Bronx MLK Jr. Blvd, W Tremont Ave, Sedgwick Ave, W Kingsbridge Rd and Bailey Ave.

Name: R268

To replace:R68's after their retirement in the mid to late 2020's

Number of cars: Roughly 700 R268's

Set: 5 car sets (A-B-B-B-A)

Length: R268 (60 ft long for each car)

Doors: R268 (10 per car)

Width: R268 (10 feet)

Height: 12 feet

Maximum Speed: 55 MPH

Seats: R268 (70)

Material: Stainless steel

Constructed: early 2020's

Manufacturer: Kawasaki

Numbers: 3011-3711 (R268)

Weight: 120,000 pounds (R268)

Propulsion: Siemens.

Brakes: WABCO.