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20 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

This is assuming that the MTA continues with auxiliary wayside for Fast Forward CBTC installs rather than install CBTC on work vehicles...

Both Andy Byford and Pete Tomlin have done CBTC installs without AWS in Toronto and London and elsewhere and they even wrote a white paper about how to do it.

If they do that here as well, then the and will need NTTs to facilitate reroutes.

but still R68s won't leave from the and train as they won't be affected by 8th Avenue CBTC.  if there is a reroute maybe due to signal issues yes, but anyways R68s won't go away from and Train soon until 6th Avenue CBTC is installed around mid to late 2020's.

Inwood-207th Street to Reads Lane

168th St to Cambria Heights-234th St via 8th Ave Local, Fulton Street Local, Pitkin Ave and Linden Blvd

WTC to Queens Village-Spingfield Blvd via QBL Express, Archer Ave and Jamaica Ave.

WTC to Rockaway Park-Beach 116th St via 8th Ave, QBL, 53rd St, New Queensrail Rockaway Beach Branch from Rego Park to Ozone Park and Rockaway Line.

Brighton Beach to Co-Op City via Concourse and E Gun Hill Rd.

Coney Island-Stillwell Ave to Co-Op City via Concourse Local and E Gun Hill Rd.

Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue to Floral Park-Little Neck Pkwy via QBL Express and Hillside Local to Little Neck Pkwy.

Elmhurst-Roosevelt Ave to Floral Park-263rd St via Myrtle Local, Jamaica Local, Manhattan Bridge, Nassau, 6th Ave, 53rd St, QBL Local and Union Turnpike.

Kings Hwy to Rockaway Park-Beach 116th St via QBL Local, New Queensrail Rockaway Beach Branch from Rego Park to Ozone Park and Rockaway Line.

Bay Ridge to Queens Village-Springfield Blvd via 4th Ave, Montague, Nassau St Local, Williamsburg Bridge, Jamaica Local, Archer Ave and Jamaica Blvd.

Runs All Times from Chambers St to Rosedale-Hook Creek Blvd via Nassau St Local, Williamsburg Bridge, Jamaica Express, Archer Ave, Merrick Blvd and LIRR Atlantic Branch.

Canarsie-Rockaway Parkway to 72nd St via 14th St Local and 10th Ave.

125th St-Broadway to Cambria Heights-234th St via 125th St Local, 2nd Ave, New Tunnel Between Hanover Sq and Court St, Fulton Street Local, Pitkin Ave and Linden Blvd.

Torquoise Hanover Sq to Throgs Neck-E Tremont Ave via 2nd Ave Local, 149th St, Longwood Ave and Lafeyette Ave

Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue to Little Neck-Little Neck Parkway via Broadway express, Astoria Local, 19th Ave Tunnel, East Elmhurst Ditmars Blvd, Booth Memorial Ave, 64th Ave and 61st St.

Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue to Co-Op City via Broadway express, 2nd Ave Local, Bronx 3rd Ave and E Gun Hill Rd.

Bay Ridge to Floral Park-263rd St via  Broadway local, QBL Local and Union Turnpike.

Chelsea-Travis Avenue (Staten Island) to College Point-20th Avenue via Victory Blvd Local, New Tunnel Connecting Sunset Park-59th Street and St. George, 4th Ave, Manhattan Bridge, Broadway Local, Astoria Local, 19th Ave Tunnel, East Elmhurst Ditmars Blvd, Northern Blvd and 150th St.

Mariners Harbour to Tottenville-Craig Ave via Richmond Ave

South Ferry to 261st-Van Cortlandt Park

Wakefield-241st to Sheepshead Bay-Voorhies Ave via Extended Nostrand Ave Line from Flatbush Ave-Brooklun College to Gerritsen Ave-Marine Park, Gerritsen Ave and Knapp St

Kingsbridge-238th St to East New York-Flatlands Ave

Gowanus-4th Ave-9th St to 261st-Van Cortlandt Park via New Tunnel Between South Ferry via Governors Island and Atlantic Basin and 9th St Local.

Woodlawn to Floyd Bennett Field via Utica Ave Local and Flatbush Ave.

Eastchester-Dyre Ave to Sheepshead Bay-Voorhies Ave via Extended Nostrand Ave Line from Flatbush Ave-Brooklun College to Gerritsen Ave-Marine Park, Gerritsen Ave and Knapp St

Unchanged

Chelsea-14th St to Bell Blvd via 11th Ave, 42nd St Local, Steinway Tunnel, Flushing Roosevelt Ave and Cocheron/35th Ave.

Chelsea-14th St to Little Neck Pkwy via 11th Ave, 42nd St Local, Steinway Tunnel, Flushing Roosevelt Ave and Northern Blvd.

4 minutes ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

Agreed that Bell Blvd, possibly even Springfield, is the sweet spot for a  extension that would be a real game changer for public transit in Northeast Queens. Once you pass over the Cross Island Parkway on Northern, you can really see just how much the density in the development drops off. It’s very noticeable. As for the other end of the , I’ve always had my reasons for not extending it to Jersey without going further  east in Queens first. Putting logistics and politics aside, probably the best place to extend the  in Jersey would be through Hoboken, Union City and Jersey City, as those are some hugely dense areas of population, with a significant amount of transit riders. 

Yes, Bloomberg wanted to do it. But his idea was to just extend the  to Secaucus through densely populated Hoboken and Union City without stopping in either place. There was just so much wrong about that idea and so many people on both sides of the Hudson who would have good reason to be pissed over it (if it had a realistic chance of happening). 

I’m not completely against the idea of extending the  to Jersey. It’s not any different than proposing extending HBLR or PATH to Staten Island (which have been proposed on more than one occasion). And we certainly could use another trans-Hudson rail connection on top of two new Amtrak/NJT tunnels to Penn (not like Donald cares!). 

What if extended to Little Neck - Marathon Parkway

On 4/27/2019 at 4:30 PM, Mtatransit said:

I think Chamber St on the  should make that list. Absolutely amazing

unless they completely Renovate and Modernize the Station, Yes if not No. lol

1 hour ago, bobtehpanda said:

No one ever said they were good plans

ok homie!

2 hours ago, engineerboy6561 said:

That's true; I think that was a dumb idea and stand by my assertion that you'd be carrying a lot of air if you did that, whereas a Jersey City-Newark via Hoboken connection would take a load off the 126 (which I think is one of the busiest NJT short-haul routes; that route runs buses every 1-2 minutes in peak direction and most of them are full) as well as off the PATH and the 1 bus (which runs something like every 15-20 to Jersey City and those buses are super full because the Newark stretch of the 1 does a lot of heavy lifting)

Also Much better is to extend at least to 14th Street and Little Neck - Marathon Parkway.

12 minutes ago, engineerboy6561 said:

Newark Airport would be hard to swing because the PATH is already getting extended there, and swinging across through Secaucus probably isn't the best idea. I used to commute out to Newark and Secaucus is in the middle of bumf**k nowhere; the spot where you'd really want to send the  if you were going to extend it to Jersey (which would be jurisdictionally really complex to do and not super likely) would be through Hamilton Park and down JFK Blvd, either straight down to Danforth or with a turn west over Kearny to serve the Ironbound before hitting Newark Penn; again, the jurisdictional issues would make that really hard to pull off. As far as the eastern end is concerned you probably don't need to go all the way out; the sweet spot is probably Bell Blvd because it would let you reconfigure the buses around Flushing and Bayside.

you're right, but there were plans prior to Gateway Project on Extending to Seacaucus

38 minutes ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

Those  and  extensions would be such game changers for eastern Queens. We wouldn’t need so many bus routes and they could be refocused into providing local service between the neighborhoods.

What if runs from Newark-Elizabeth Airport to Little Neck - Marathon Parkway.

3 minutes ago, Railfan 007 said:

Did you read what I quoted? Seems like you missed what I quoted here is the piece I was referring to:

This isn't the first time subwayfan1998 has said this, so please read the quotes to understand why I said what I said my post.

Obviously. It's a SMEE, not an NTT train that can be equipped with CBTC equipment.

Does the  run on 8th Avenue between 59th St and Jay St? No they do not.

Do the 68/As need to leave the  then? No they do not, as they won't be affected by 8th Avenue CBTC. 

In case an issue happens on 6th Avenue, and s have no choice but to run via 8th Avenue, can they still run via 8th Avenue? Hell yes. A MAJOR misconception of CBTC is MTA is installing it in a way that prevents trains that are not CBTC-compatible from running. R179s have already visited Canarsie Yard for a wash, hell even 32/42s were a common sight to see heading to/from Canarsie Yard during off-peak for a wash, and they are not CBTC-equipped for the . The garbage train on the ? A set of 62As, and the entire  line has CBTC active. So yes, 68/As should be able to run on 8th Avenue after CBTC has been installed and activated, especially during emergencies. Trains not equipped with CBTC still have to use the track anyways, whether they are revenue service trains or maintenance trains.

Lastly, what is CTBC? For someone who quotes Communications-Based Train Control over and over again, and uses it as their evidence to support their point constantly, you would think you can spell the acronym correctly by now. 

Only thing i don't like the R68s it is not because works fine, it because it is dirty and being outdated. I've used to like R68s and R46s more than i like R32s, R40s and R42s. Thanks God R40s are not anymore because they look Scary As F**k especially the Slants and the Doors going to another Cars.

1 minute ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

Exactly. The r68's have operated in SAS whenever the W gets rerouted due to track work. If I'm not mistaken, the Q occasionally borrows r68's, or r46's during rush hour. 

1 minute ago, Railfan 007 said:

Did you read what I quoted? Seems like you missed what I quoted here is the piece I was referring to:

This isn't the first time subwayfan1998 has said this, so please read the quotes to understand why I said what I said my post.

Obviously. It's a SMEE, not an NTT train that can be equipped with CBTC equipment.

Does the  run on 8th Avenue between 59th St and Jay St? No they do not.

Do the 68/As need to leave the  then? No they do not, as they won't be affected by 8th Avenue CBTC. 

In case an issue happens on 6th Avenue, and s have no choice but to run via 8th Avenue, can they still run via 8th Avenue? Hell yes. A MAJOR misconception of CBTC is MTA is installing it in a way that prevents trains that are not CBTC-compatible from running. R179s have already visited Canarsie Yard for a wash, hell even 32/42s were a common sight to see heading to/from Canarsie Yard during off-peak for a wash, and they are not CBTC-equipped for the . The garbage train on the ? A set of 62As, and the entire  line has CBTC active. So yes, 68/As should be able to run on 8th Avenue after CBTC has been installed and activated, especially during emergencies. Trains not equipped with CBTC still have to use the track anyways, whether they are revenue service trains or maintenance trains.

Lastly, what is CTBC? For someone who quotes Communications-Based Train Control over and over again, and uses it as their evidence to support their point constantly, you would think you can spell the acronym correctly by now. 

You're Right, 100%! You know better than me and @subwaycommuter1983 many those on the Forum.

1 minute ago, subwayfan1998 said:

Just like what @Railfan 007 said Why would the and lose R160s? Unless the swap between CI/Jamaica happens, its unlikely anything is moving out of Coney. One thing I have yet to understand is why everyone shuffles cars all over the place to yards that don't currently use them. What is wrong with a fleet sitting in its current yard till it retires, unless its for a line planned to have CBTC? The big idea floating around is the and will lose their R160s to Jamaica Yard and receive R46s that are currently running on the because of Queens Blvd CBTC. However, my opinion is the R46s currently in Jamaica yard will stay there till the base order of R211s shows up, so nothing needs to be shuffled around. Why send R46s to CI to fill Jamaica with R160s, then move some R160s back after the base order arrives? That seems a bit excessive. In time between now and a little more than a year when the production R211s start showing up, we will all figure out the answer for this. Till then, its a guessing game.  

doesn't actually run on 8th Avenue Lines, and Runs on 6th Avenue Lines. and will get R160s from the than they will get

Than they will get it from the and

2 minutes ago, W4ST said:

When Queens Blvd gets CBTC, the  train will have to get NTT cars (probably R160s). This means it will have to exchange cars with another line, which will likely be the . They could get R46s this way. If the R211s come in, this exchange might not need to happen, but another change could push R68s onto the . When 8th Avenue gets CBTC, R68s will still be running, because the R211s won't retire them. The  often run on 8th Avenue for service changes (at least the  does, but the  might in an emergency), so the , and probably the , will need NTT cars too. They will have to exchange cars with another line. They would probably exchange with the  and give R68s to those lines, because the  never have a reason to run on any of the lines that are getting CBTC in the next 5 years (8th Ave, Queens Blvd, Crosstown, Culver). 

Just like what @Railfan 007 said Why would the and lose R160s? Unless the swap between CI/Jamaica happens, its unlikely anything is moving out of Coney. One thing I have yet to understand is why everyone shuffles cars all over the place to yards that don't currently use them. What is wrong with a fleet sitting in its current yard till it retires, unless its for a line planned to have CBTC? The big idea floating around is the and will lose their R160s to Jamaica Yard and receive R46s that are currently running on the because of Queens Blvd CBTC. However, my opinion is the R46s currently in Jamaica yard will stay there till the base order of R211s shows up, so nothing needs to be shuffled around. Why send R46s to CI to fill Jamaica with R160s, then move some R160s back after the base order arrives? That seems a bit excessive. In time between now and a little more than a year when the production R211s start showing up, we will all figure out the answer for this. Till then, its a guessing game.  

doesn't actually run on 8th Avenue Lines, and Runs on 6th Avenue Lines. and will get R160s from the than they will get

Also I forgot Inwood - 207th Street to Reads Lane

23 minutes ago, EphraimB said:

Good idea. I hate those 20 minute walks.

Agreed, Eastern Queens, Staten Island and Southeastern Brooklyn needs Transit.

4 minutes ago, Railfan 007 said:

It isnt an R179 discussion, so moved here.

The big idea floating around is the  will lose their R160s to Jamaica Yard and receive R46s that are currently running on the  because of Queens Blvd CBTC. However, my opinion is the R46s currently in Jamaica yard will stay there till the base order of R211s shows up, so nothing needs to be shuffled around. Why send R46s to CI to fill Jamaica with 160s, then move some 160s back after the base order arrives? That seems a bit excessive. In time between now and a little more than a year when the production R211s start showing up, we will all figure out the answer for this. Till then, its a guessing game.

Agreed

Just now, Jemorie said:

I honestly find this to be a pretty ignorant statement. SAS is only three stops and doesn't really alleviate the Lexington Avenue Line much anyway so. And even if it does, it will not stop transit from running R68s on the . If they can run on the  and , then they can run on the  too.

I Never seen a R68 since 2016 when the returns, I Recently See more r68s on and than i see on the also BTW i take and Trains Everyday. R68s look old and dirty as F**k! why would the and lose R160s just like what @Railfan 007 Said

2 minutes ago, Railfan 007 said:

10-car R160s ran on the  due to a General Order, where the F couldn't make its way down to Coney Island, and the  did instead, and borrowed sets from the  for service. For regular, daily service, once the R211s come, it will be 8-car trains. Its up to the MTA if they will be 8-car R160s or R179s.

The / ran R160s due to the reasons you explained. They needed extra service due to the march, and the cars had to come from somewhere lol. The Fast Forward plan (whenever it starts) doesn't bother the / for 10 years, so the R68s aren't going anywhere until it time to retire them. They may have some age to them, but they run just fine. Quit hating on them, its starting to get old.

Why would the / lose R160s? Unless the swap between CI/Jamaica happens, its unlikely anything is moving out of Coney. One thing I have yet to understand is why everyone shuffles cars all over the place to yards that don't currently use them. What is wrong with a fleet sitting in its current yard till it retires, unless its for a line planned to have CBTC? 

I Understand and Agree, Why would and lose R160s?

1 hour ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

This map shows that the Bronx is the most neglected borough by the MTA. Not enough subway lines, crappy bus service and no CTBC. Sad.

Also, just to be clear @subwayfan1998, there are only 13 10 car r179's. The C needs at least 18 10 car trains. Unfortunately, the 8 car r179's cannot be converted into 10 car trains. That is why there is a surplus of 8 car trains. As a result, the G will not get any r160's from the F. The F runs 10 car trains. If the F, N/W lose their r160's they will most likely go to the C, B/D, while the N/W gets the r68's. The G will get 8 car trains (r160's or r179's), since the C, which currently has 8 car trains, will become full length with 10 car trains and the G is the only line outside ENY that can accommodate 8 car trains. 

Let's see what happens. There is still strong chance that the A will keep some if not all 10 car r179's once all r211's are in service.

 

R160s from the fits very well on the and Lines despite the Car Length, also R179s fits very well on the and Train. I've seen Videos of R160s on the and as well mostly during Women's March Movement.

As you claim that gets r68s is highly unlikely, will still kept its R160s while and will get r68s from the and trains. r68s look horrible in SAS Stations.

Keep in mind that majority of R68s are on the Concourse yard.

1 minute ago, Lawrence St said:

Wait the and are suppose to be getting CBTC? Never knew that.

One thing I never understood is why they dont test CBTC on the 42nd St .

from Jay St - Metrotech to Lefferts Boulevard and Far Rockaway and Rockaway will be getting CBTC in next 5 years.

Same bro don't know why they don't test CBTC on the 42nd Street

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6 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

This is flat out incorrect...

The R179 order has two component parts: 188 cars in four car sets and 130 cars in five car sets. There are currently 12.5 trains (100 cars) on the  and 11 trains (88 cars) on the  and the 13 ten car trains are for the . 

The only route that you could fully equip with 8 car R179s would be the  which uses 13 trains at peak times plus spares. The  uses 18 trains plus spares and the  use 20 trains plus spares.

So Many Car sets are on the and Trains?

9 minutes ago, Bay Ridge Express said:

Then that would be great

Happily we agreed.

1 minute ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

All the 10 car r179's will not be enough to cover the entire C fleet. The C will still need either 10 r160's or r211's to cover the rest of the C fleet.

The G will not get 10 car trains as a result of the surplus of 8 car r160's and r179's.

The B/D will most likely lose the r68's as a result of 8th Avenue CTBC. Although, both lines run on 6th Avenue, they often get rerouted through 8th Avenue, due to track work and other issues. Also, work on 6th Avenue CTBC will begin after 8th Avenue CTBC is done, which means the D will most likely run through 8th Avenue during that time.

and doesn't run from Jay St Metrotech to Colombus Circle where 8th Avenue CBTC will be Installed, 6th Avenue CBTC will begin following 5 years along with the Broadway and 7th Avenue CBTC. 8th Avenue CBTC doesn't include

R179 will have 320 Cars when it fully completed its delivery, has 144 Subway Cars same thing as the and trains do, 144 + 144 = 288, 288 - 320 = 32 so R179 will be enough to cover the Entire Fleet.

will keep all it's R160s while or might get R68s from the and or will give 52 R160s to the since has 52 Fleets while the rest might be given to the and

What if train was extended to UWS-72nd Street intead of 8th Avenue?