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9 hours ago, Lance said:

Actually, South Ferry was paid for in part by Sept. 11th recovery money to revitalize Lower Manhattan following the attacks. Also, the original loop station was built for the amount of service operated at the time. The IRT couldn't possibly fathom running ten-car trains back in 1905 when the station was originally built.

@subwayfan1998 I'm glad you're interested and inquisitive here. A problem I'm noting however is a failure to listen to what other people are telling you. Asking the same questions over and over in a slightly different way and expecting a different response will not serve you well here. Listen to what people are telling you and think before you post.

Problem I Have, is I Have a Low IQ. 😢

It is Random Thoughts topic, I Have a Right to ask questions

12 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

Yeah, you say you have nothing against me, but you apparently have something against common sense..... Now that I've had this brief dialogue w/ you, now I really see why you catch the flack that you do on here.....

I know, I know.... There's no evidence that the subway system as a whole underwent changes in almost 18 years, cleanliness & aesthetics are "very irrelevant" (never mind the countdown clocks & things of that nature), and the exception swallows the rule (as if I said every station has been modernized)..... Got it.

Try to take people seriously & this is the result..... The buck stops here with you... Go troll somebody else; I wasted enough keystrokes with this exchange.

How would New York City overall in general (Besides Subways) would have look like now, if 9/11 never happened?

This makes me to Puke

2 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

Of course you're going to deem what I'm saying as irrelevant, as you're of the belief that the subway system would look more or less the same, had 9/11 never happened...

Of course track cleanings in general existed before 9/11, stop being obtuse.... The MTA started becoming exponentially more diligent with track cleaning well after 2001 & I'm of the belief that had 9/11 never happened, the MTA would have been in no real rush to try to clean up the tracks as well as they have, on top of being more diligent with trash collection (you may have been oblivious to them, but I most certainly remember overflowing damn garbage cans at certain stations), and on top of displaying as much artwork as you see laced along & about the subway system....

New South Ferry & Fulton st reconstruction were not the only changes the subway underwent since 2001 & on top of it, those SAS stations were obviously not completed before 9/11 (which was the point) & I wish you'd stop parroting that like it's some profound point... Furthermore, these past two replies of yours is predicated on something I never said.... In an implicative fashion, you asked "so without 9/11, there wouldn't be no "New" South Ferry and the New SAS Stations??" - when I was saying the exact opposite in my OP....

You can say that 9/11 only affected Cortlandt st., SF, and Fulton st, but to act like the necessary work that had to be done to get things back in working order in that part of Manhattan didn't spark the MTA to want to fix up (or beautify) any other stations about the subway system thereafter, AFAIC is to not think outside the box... Had 9/11 never happened (with the advent of the SAS stations, new SF, & Fulton st. rehabbing after the fact), 95% of the subway system still wouldn't look the same.... It ignores all the other changes that the subway system as a whole underwent since 2001 - but of course they're irrelevant, according to you.....

 

Go Look at Chambers St on the and Line, i never been cleaning and it never was modernized until now it started.

there were stations that were being modernized and rehabbing before 9/11, I Know SAS was not completed before 9/11 but it was planned before 9/11.

Where is a Evidence of the changes that the subway system as a whole underwent since 2001? Dude, I Have nothing against you and I Respect your Opinion.

1 minute ago, RTSTdrive said:

Retire fresh-off-the-factory trains? Are you for real right now? It'll be beneficial financially to purchase and run those R179s now than to spend a needless amount of money just to upkeep a fleet of 50+ year old trains on their last legs that will get replaced anyways.

Plus, as was stated multiple times in the past, this is nothing new. The R142s...also Bombardier made...have had their share of problems upon delivery. But look at it now 20 years after the fact. It's become one of the most reliable cars in the system. 

I Was JK, I Love R179s

2 hours ago, S78 via Hylan said:

It’s been put out there that the R179s are still experiencing problems. Can anyone shed light on what these issues may be?

if R179s is still experiencing problems, why don't they retire them and stop the productions of R179s.

7 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

Even if I go by your own post here, the subway system wouldn't still look the same... lol...

I mean which is it? [The NYC subways would still look the same, but except the South Ferry, Cortlandt St and Fulton St], or [the SAS & Hudson Yards would still have been built]??

I suppose more diligent track cleaning (via Vaktrak, or whatever that contraption is called) & other efforts to appeal to transients & tourists beautify some of these stations since then, are irrelevant... The good housekeeping bug just bit the MTA out of nowhere.... They woke up & decided out of their own volition one day to start having some of the stations look more modernized Yeah, alright, if you say so......

The MTA has a knack for waiting for the last minute to do shit & is not voluntarily progressive at all.

this is very irrelevant what you are saying, @bobtehpanda is Right, "SAS had the study initiated in the '90s. The "new" post 9/11 stuff was New South Ferry and Fulton St." Track Cleanings had Existed long before 9/11. also Hudson Yards Extension was built for the NYC Candidacy for 2012 Olympic Games but it didn't took place at all in NYC.

Without 9/11, SAS will still be built and it would be same like it is now, 95% of NYC subways would still look the same how it is now.

9/11 had only effect is Cortlandt St, South Ferry and Fulton St, Mostly Downtown Manhattan.

1 hour ago, bobtehpanda said:

SAS had the study initiated in the '90s. The "new" post 9/11 stuff was New South Ferry and Fulton St.

It's a shame Pataki never managed to pull the ultimate hoodwink over the feds and get them to fund LIRR to WTC, or that Port Authority decided to be a dick about combining the 6 with the PATH (which the MTA was actually not disinterested in).

Exactly, NSF and Fulton St. Hub was a 9/11 Recovery Effort, Without 9/11 there would be No New South Ferry nor perhaps Fulton St. Hub, the SAS and Hudson Yards would still be built. NYC Subways would look the Same but except the South Ferry, Cortlandt St and Fulton St.

4 hours ago, Bay Ridge Express said:

-A lot of these ideas just create route that are long and unreliable, specifically the  ,  ,  , and  

-Any route originating from Whitestone deserves to go to Manhattan, otherwise it'll just end up being an  situation where the majority of riders will have to constantly transfer

-For that  route, my proposal would be to go via Fordham Rd instead, seeing as that is the busier corridor (with the Bx12 SBS)

-Is it really necessary to have the line go all the way to Avenue C just to get back on 2nd? I get you'd want to serve East Village and Stuyvesant Town better, but why not just move the line to 1st Av for that portion at least? This would add so much more extra travel time

-If you're going to have the  go to Rockaway Park, then at least eliminate the  there. It wouldn't be needed anymore.

-For the  , can you provide more information about how exactly you plan to connect those two destinations?

-Your  ,  ,  , and  ideas I like... only thing about  is that it would be long and indirect for those living east of Corona Park

is the most Longest ride ever, Anyways I'm Happy to see some one agreeing some of my ideas and disagreeing with some of my idea. I respect your Opinions, should e streched from Rockaway Park - Beach 116th St to Far Rockaway - Mott Ave.

Also there was a Plane Pre-WW2 and post-WW2 to extend Astoria Line to East of Corona Park underneath Long Island Expressway that time it wasn't a highway, I Prefer not building a Subway underneath a Highway.

If Any rout originating from Whitestone should go to Manhattan, then I Would extend the train to Whitestone and eliminating the to Just Corona.

For and Trains, There were Plans to Extend the Line underneath Jewel Avenue, but i prefer to extend underneath Union Turnpike.

For , There were plans as well to Extend to Hollis or Floral Park.

On 5/9/2019 at 7:42 AM, JeremiahC99 said:

Yeah why not? It would be really great for the Upper East Side. Provides direct service between the Myrtle Avenue corridor and all of the weekend shopping that exists in SoHo and Midtown (Essex Street is not even close to SoHo).

I am also proposing both the  and  be extended to Jamaica-179th Street and have the  moved off the express tracks at all times except late nights, when it would continue to make the slow switching maneuver at 75th Avenue (which delays  train service). This would allow for direct service between Hillside Avenue and the Broadways corridor for Broadway theater goers and those looking to see The Late Show with Stephen Colbert. 6th Avenue riders would see an increase in trip time by 3-5 minutes but everyone else would save time.

Also, late night  service should also be extended to Essex Street to permit easy travel between Brooklyn and the nigh life that exists in the Lower East Side.

To accompany this, I would also propose either extending the  /  lines together to Bay Ridge-95th Street or a separate route from the  /  that would either operate between Broadway Jct and 95th Street or overlay the current  (NOT replace it) and operate between Metro Avenue and 95th Street. This would improve service.

Finally, I am proposing that  service have headway increases. During weekdays, service would operate with 14 trains per hour, with  /  service operating at 10 trains per hour. This would provide more frequent service for  riders.  service may be reduced, but given how passengers north of Church Avenue has the  train and south of Church Avenue have an easy crosstown walk or bus ride to other train lines, like the  and , all of which can take on additional riders, they’ll be fine.

Guys, I have a New Idea

I Prefer and to be extended underneath Union Turnpike to Floral Park - Langdale St.

to be extended to Co-Op City via Gun Hill Road.

to be extended underneath Tremont Ave, Eastchester Rd, then into Gun Hill Rd to Co-Op City.

to be extended to Floral Park - Little Neck Pkwy.

from Hanover Sq to Throgs Neck - Lawton Ave via 2nd Ave, Avenue C, 2nd Ave, Third Ave, Longwood Ave, Lafayette Ave and to E Tremont Ave.

from Hanover Sq to Rockaway Park - Beach 116th St via 2nd Ave, Avenue C, 2nd Ave, 63rd St Tunnel, Newly Built Queens Superexpress (Underneath LIRR Line) and Former LIRR Rockaway Branch

from WTC to Rockaway Park - Beach 116th St. via QBL and Former LIRR Rockaway Branch (Rego Park to Ozone Park),

to Little Neck - Little Neck Pkwy via New Elevated line north of Ditmars Blvd then turn towards 19th Ave, New Tunnel Portal between 45th Street and Hazen St, Ditmars Blvd at Jackson Heights/Corona, underneath Flushing/Corona Park into Booth Memorial Ave, 64th Ave and 60th Ave.

to Co-Op City via Third Ave and Gun Hill Rd.

from Staten Island to College Point.

Train from Fort Hamilton - 92nd Street to Whitestone - 150th Street via New the Flushing Trunk Line underneath Sunnyside Yards and Northern Blvd then turn into 154th St at Flushing.

from Broad St to Rosedale - Hook Creek Blvd.

to run 24/7 Hours except weekends and late nights from from Chambers St. to Rosedale - Hook Creek Blvd.

3 minutes ago, B35 via Church said:

Re-read the post.

Ok

2 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

General.

I refuse to believe that the drive to willingly initiate as many subway construction projects (aesthetic or otherwise) that took place post 9/11 (save for any other catastrophies that occurred after the fact... like that of Sandy) would've existed otherwise..... Which would mean matters would've continued to linger (in terms of filth) & for damn sure we wouldn't have ended up with as many newer (or, more modern) looking stations that we have now - not counting the "new" South Ferry & the new SAS stations.....

so without 9/11, there wouldn't be no "New" South Ferry and the New SAS Stations??

In my scenario, I Think there would still be SAS and but no New South Ferry since New South Ferry was part of recovery effort for 9/11.

SAS and to Hudson Yards has nothing to do with 9/11 at all, it was planned and constructed long before 9/11 but it came to a halt due to fiscal crisis during 1970's. SAS would still be built anyways even without 9/11 and also Hurricane Sandy has nothing to do with 9/11. 

Also there would still be ESI as well even without 9/11.

5 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

Dirtier & less modern looking.

I thought, it would look the Same except the Cortlandt St it would look dirtier and less modern looking.

5 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

Dirtier & less modern looking.

are you talking about just the Cortlandt St? or just the NYC Subway in general?

if you talk about the NYC Subways in General, why would it be Dirtier and less modern looking?

1 minute ago, Union Tpke said:

Cortlandt St  would still exist as it was.  service would have started on 9/17. 

were there any plans to introduce service before 9/11?
 

Without 9/11, Would the NYC Subways would still look the Same Except Cortlandt St?

How would NYC Subway would have look like now, if September 11th Terror Attacks never happened?

Fillet-O-Fish

F**k De Blasio, He is a Hypocrite and He is taking away Cigrattes and Buildings with Glass and Steels. (Claiming it is Contributing to Climate Change and Global Warming)

I'm all for Enviromental Protection and but this Green New Deal Shit is not going help and work. I Like Beto's Eviromental Plan.

Is NYC Housing Projects being Demolished? that would make more people homeless, Moms especially Single Mothers with 1-6 Kids would be without Home, Poors, Veterans, Refugees, Immigrants and etc.

23 hours ago, subwayfan1998 said:

I Guess R260

Would R32s exist in next 50 years from now?

On 5/6/2019 at 9:51 PM, ibroketheprinter said:

Who knows if we'll even still have planet in 50 years? Things aren't looking that hot right now 😉

I Guess R260

18 hours ago, Bay Ridge Express said:

NTTs everywhere! The horror!

 

 

/s

Why Horror?

3 minutes ago, Bay Ridge Express said:

The R211s, R262s, R279s, and R311s

R260s or 268s

1 minute ago, transitfan111 said:

Pretty much the same. Maybe phase 2 or 3 of second avenue would be complete. 

How would the Subway Stations and Cars would have look in next 50 years?