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Perhaps a different type of an engine may be a reason why the above mentioned D60HFs still serve in Minnesota while they've been history here since 2019, I believe. Or perhaps the reason might be due to poorer road conditions, higher number of riders or longer routes. However, one might not help but wonder how times decommissioning en masse of particular fleet types (based on the make and model) was simply a top down arbitrary decision that had nothing to do with poor performance broadly speaking.

Not the only City agency reluctant to change.

I wonder how much of information about random units results from dedication or too much free time and how much from automation. Having one's computer review information from Transee or something similar for a particular vehicle or set of vehicles and report if certain criteria are met. Retrieving information from Transee seems like a straightforward task and there is no CAPTCHA validation required to verify if a human or a robot is accessing information. So it is totally imaginable that retrieving information is done by a fan's computer.

Prevosts seem to be relatively quiet, especially if you sit inside in comparison to older MCIs. And unlike these older MCIs Prevosts don't growl.

I totally agree.

The above mentioned route 28 still is mentioned listed also as BxM4C, has the most misleading name. It starts in White Plains and runs to Manhattan. It stops in Greensburg and Yonkers, but not in the Bronx. BxM4 is still alive and well. I run on it this summer and indeed a few of its stops overlap with those of BxM4C. But BxM4C enters the I287 and does not at all stop in the Bronx. Perhaps 'Bx' in its name simply indicates a possibility of a sightseeing tour through the Bronx.

Could that CP units are on maintenance check be 3194. It hasn't run since the morning of Sept 2nd.

Perhaps you're right, but the point I was (and perhaps others as well) making was a remotely possible re-installation the 2002 units "not to please transit fans" but in response to the loss of fleet by Castelton. The loss due to a natural disaster, an Act of God, if you will. I have no doubt MTA would not do anything to "please transit fans" and I understand it. The question interesting to me (and perhaps others, as I infer from the original post ("There's a rumor going around"), is, what would the MTA do in response to the loss caused by the natural disaster. Such a disaster carries a lot more weight and consequences that a wish of any group, fans or anti-fans alike.

Sounds like a good solution. Moreover, I am sure this idea will be welcome by many transit fans. In addition, UP has 2012 Prevosts almost identical to the damaged SI Prevosts. Perhaps these 2012 Prevosts may be loaned out to SI and the un-retired flipdots sent to the UP.

How about recently retired commuter coaches? I see quite a few of potential coach losses on the list of flooded vehicles. Has reversal of retirement ever happened in case of a recently retired, but not scrapped bus?

Thanks

Vehicle 2225 on route SIM1C-Eltingville - Manhattan Express going ↑Midtown via Church St via 6 Av at 6 Av on Central Park S Last Seen at Aug 31 5:44:55PM Definitely not yesterday. Didn't Ida sh#@! hit a fan in NYC only on the 1st of September?

Are you talking about electric HYBRID buses?

I respectfully disagree. Couple of inches? I have driven my car (compact) through that and nothing. Considering that chassis of an average car sits perhaps five or six inches above the ground, it theory sitting in three or four inches of water for some time should in theory affect the breaks, perhaps wheels and possibly exhaust. The chassis of buses sit higher above the ground, although in case of the low floor units not by much. And if everything is fine, engine and transmission should not be immediately affected since they are sealed, if they were not the bus would be spewing oil or transmission fluid all over the place. There is video of a bus driven through water deep enough to force passengers to stand on the seats. And that bus went through. Had any serious problem occurred, it would have stalled. The problem is when a vehicle is submerged if water (especially salt) for hours, especially when water gets sucked into the engine or if a hot vehicle is driven through water and it stalls and the level is enough to suck the water into critical parts of the vehicle, especially when this vehicle cools down. The above mentioned post by a SI politician mentions 4ft (48 inches) of water. This much is of course almost automatic death sentence for any regular vehicle. But I wonder where a million dollar buses are. According to the post below, the 2012 Prevosts (most in UP) cost $550,228 per unit. https://mtanyctransitfanon.fandom.com/wiki/Volvo_Group_Prevost_X3-45_(Mtamaster_edition)

Good point. I rely on Transsee and have seen a few buses not moving for long weeks despite no claims of retirement or being OOS. Then Transsee showed activity of these units, but it is often the case that the map Transsee show does not match the description. However, I am not aware of any other tool available to regular fanners not in any way affiliated with the MTA. It there anything else? I need a tool which retrieves information based on bus number, not a route or stop number.

What you are saying makes perfect sense. However, there were posts informing about buses being retired following major breakdowns or accidents, not to mention fire. Based on my limited knowledge, it sounds (based on the video) that the 5881 has a blown transmission.

I apologize for my confusion. Jackie Gleason is a Brooklyn Division depot and serves Brooklyn routes. Correct?

Are they fixing the poor bus or retiring it?

Would it make sense to compare and cross-reference data on a particular bus using BOTH Bustime and Transsee? Would that help pinpoint glitches and inconsistencies?

While the above ridership were due to a storm, it is worth noting that these were regular numbers during pre-COVID-19 era, especially during rush hours.

Perhaps it is not the universe. While I have no doubt that the announcements of equipment scrapping posted in this forum are based on good sources, such announcements are often called off, with the 2910 perhaps being a poster example of that. Back in April there were posts, and an entire thread was opened about the retirement of all Flipdots, including 2910 and here we are more than four months later not knowing what is going on. It feels as if the MTA or someone on its behalf played a low budget reality show: "Which bus is retiring next?" While the audience is made of humans, the actors, perhaps due to budget restrains are not, they are buses: 2910 being a leading actor at the CP, while other units mostly D4500CL MCIs and various generation Orions have been cast as leading actors at other depos. No Prevost actor has, to my knowledge been cast so far.

Is it there to be scrapped or stored? It appeared like it is a preserved bus for special purposes and as such safe from scrapping. From whatever little I know (mostly from this forum) MTA's policies on retiring and scrapping seem chaotic and inconsistent. And not transparent to someone, who like me is not in any way affiliated, except by being an occasional bus or subway rider. Many highly respected transit agencies (I see this in Europe, for example) preserve their historic fleet and often run them regularly. This shows their commitment to being a long term transit agencies and shows their mastery in keeping their fleet in top shape. This builds riders' confidence and builds positive image for the agency as well. Not to mention historical and nostalgia implications and love by historians and transit enthusiasts. And it is not infrequent that historic unit serve alongside the new ones, although at sometimes lighter load. One can only hope that 0090 will remain with us.

Thanks a lot. Does every bus get rebuilt? What was the case with the late 20th/early 21st century D4500s?

It's sad to see the final Flipdot gone. It is interesting if this bus was the longest serving unit in the MTA or that honor goes to some other bus (perhaps an RTS). Moreover, it remains to be seen which bus (if any) will beat such a record in the future.

Also quoting: "u might be correct. Just did a bit of research on 8704.. For the last 4 hours, it's showing that it's on the B6... Rather confusing if u ask me. But the travel time from Mariners Harbor to Bay Ridge is roughly 45 mins to 1 hour (Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this. Staten Island ops please), but from Bay Ridge to Canarsie is a good 90 mins, but it's showing it deadheaded to 86th and Bay Pkwy. So, from this I think it is a glitch and bus is still in Staten Island". As of: Current time: 1:46:55AM: Vehicle 8704 on route S40-St. George - Goethals Rd North going ←Matrix Pt Rich Terr via Gulf Av Arlngton past Admin Parking Lot on Goethals Rd N Last seen 11:35 Very hard to follow. B6 is serviced by the UP depot, while the S40 line at which your bus, 8704 is currently burning midnight oil by CAS. But geographically these depots are not that far from each other. So perhaps 8704 was indeed loaned out to CP to sweat its wheels off on the very demanding B6 route. Also, 86th and Bay Pkwy are very close to the entrance to the Belt Pkwy, where I often see all kinds of buses and coaches. Very close to the Verrazano Bridge. And for me the Belt is the only place to see the MCI coaches, most likely from SC, since UP is 100% Prevost.