GreatOne2k

The BxM4 proposal was after the recession. Extending the Bx10 to Ludlow or Getty Square would be better than the Bx7 (which wouldn't even have a Bronx terminal if it were extended). Bx7 is too frequent for Yonkers right now, the Bx10 would be a better test since it is less frequent, plus it would give Yonkers a 24/7 bus. BxM4 extension wouldn't have been that long, only up to Yonkers Raceway, although I would make a new BxM5 from Yonkers Raceway and have that run straight down to Bainbridge & 205 train, or on the Grand Concourse until Fordham Road, then non stop express to Manhattan. The BxM4 can stay the same for now. The BxM5 would also get people from Manhattan to Yonkers Raceway so this route would have potential for ridership in both directions. Yonkers Raceway would also be accessible on Thanksgiving and Christmas.

MTA proposed a Bx7 extension in 2007 to Ludlow MNR. Bx34 had a proposed extension to Mount Vernon sometime in the early 1990s A BxM4 extension to Yonkers Raceway was also discussed between Rob Astorino and Jay Walder (probably the best thing for the BxM4 at this point to boost its ridership, could still happen if the BxM4C got canned completely). W45, W54, W60, W61, and W62 are open door in the Bronx (except Fordham Road) and serve parts of the Bronx that the MTA doesn't serve, so the city and MTA do get some "help" from Westchester. MTA was even proposing to cut weekend Bx30 service, which would have left Boston Road on the weekends completely with only the W60 and W61. BxM18 picking up BxM4C riders isn't a problem, the BxM18 picks up many express bus riders needing to go downtown, unless you want the BxM18 to be only for Riverdale and everyone else should have their own buses to Downtown.

According to SubwayTime the shuttle is replacing the between E 180 St and 241 St, instead of the running in two sections. and have swapped north terminals. Looks like the needs a 241 - E 180 program if it doesn't have one already (It has a 241 - 149 program)

I meant E 180 St being used as a north terminal, not south. onthego.mta.info (and tripplanner) has a schedule showing that the first few trains in the morning start service at E 180 St-Bowling Green and the last few trains are Bowling Green-E 180 St (Saturday night only, Sunday is normal).

Are some trains starting/ending at E 180 St at the beginning/end of service while the is at Dyre?

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40 could run to 238 during rush hours to connect to/from the , 241 other times. The late 40 trip to 241 St gets to Mt Vernon after the 42 stops running, people who would otherwise be stranded could use the 40 back to the Bronx if they get to one of the bus stops in time.

Either run the W40 to 241 St full time, or extend the Bx39 to Mt Vernon East MNRR. There were plans to run the Bx34 to Mt Vernon East MNRR at one time (early 90s).

Evens out the headways on the (Bronx and Brooklyn) and (Bronx, Manhattan, and Brooklyn). Also the express local pairs / (Brooklyn) and / (Manhattan) each have the same amount of midday service. - 8 minutes - 8 minutes - 8 minutes - 8 minutes - 8 minutes - 8 minutes

MTA has already done this during middays using "cost neutrality" and evening out the headways to do it. It did help midday service though.

Running the to Flatbush on weekends could come at a cost, remember the midday service change that extended the to Flatbush? midday before 4-7 minutes 10 minutes midday after 8 minutes 8 minutes Weekend idea to Flatbush Current 8 minutes 10-14 minutes Proposed (option 1) 10 minutes 10 minutes Proposed (option 2) 12 minutes 12 minutes

The 4C was profitable for about 3 months in 2011 (around the summer)

The BxM4C has more ridership than (2011 annual ridership)...... BxM4C 163,997 BM5 156,293 QM1 150,290 X68 149,323 QM8 143,763 QM12 126,839 BxM4 118,101 QM11 109,536 QM17 102,015 X64 100,507 QM16 97,119 QM21 95,836 QM10 90,301 QM25 78,420 BxM18 76,900 QM18 59,800 QM3 32,798 4C is doing better than expected and hanging on.

The 4C is a good deal compared to a one way peak ticket on Metro North though and allows a free transfer to another bus (not from another bus though, not even a step up fare). 4C is closer to than Metro North to those on Central (Park) Avenue, other that that it does seem like a waste (unless there is a lack of seats on some MNR trains, then comfort has to factor in the use of the 4C).

Speaking of reducing "empty mileage" Bx55 LTD: 1. All AM rush hour put ins should start from Gun Hill Road instead of Fordham Plaza 2. All late PM rush hour and early evening run offs should be extended from Fordham Plaza to Gun Hill Road. This also helps the Bx41 in getting riders to/from the Bx39 for very little cost and restores some service to Gun Hill Road

I never said the BxM3 didn't get much usage. I also never said that South Yonkers was comparable to Riverdale, I just said that keeping some buses in service may make them more productive. You think everyone will go via car to an express bus? Some people use a local bus to get the free transfer. The W8 would be their best bet, though the PM rush schedule of the W8 would need to be delayed by about 5 minutes so that the BxM18 could connect to it. The other buses would be better for transferring. Maybe some W8 riders do transfer to the express buses on Riverdale Avenue already.

Any extension of the BxM1, BxM2, or BxM18 on Riverdale Avenue would have NOTHING to do with BxM4C riders (on the other side of Yonkers). This is to attract riders on the other side of Yonkers (mainly Riverdale Avenue) by making deadheads more productive. Since many BxM18 buses are going back in service in the PM, that obviously means that some BxM1 and BxM2 buses will be ending their runs. Either way the point of making deadheads more productive by staying in service applies to any of the three routes. I don't see a problem with rush hour deadheads going to Yonkers and put ins starting from Yonkers. All runs going back to Manhattan will NOT run in Yonkers.

I was talking about the express bus transfers that BxM4C riders can transfer at 23rd St therefore the BxM4C could be cut below 23rd St. This has nothing to do with the BxM18 being an alternative for Yonkers residents who ride the 4C. Well MTA Bus will just have to deal with 4C riders below 23rd St, and there is nothing that anyone can do about that. Definitely possible, in the AM much easier to send any of the three routes in service from Yonkers, the PM would be limited to whatever deadheads (I would prefer the AM and PM to have the same number of trips on one route). If only a few buses deadhead in the PM rush this would end up like the BxM8 to City Island. 4C riders are loyal to the 4C (even willing to pay over 7 dollar fare), they wouldn't even consider the BxM3 as an option when the BxM4C was threatened with elimination, so no way would they go for the BxM18 (unless they transferred at 23 St).

BxM18 is also for the downtown express bus transfers and has been for years. Bee Line had budget cuts and cut some portions of the routes that had other alternatives. BxM4C to downtown had the BxM18 as an alternative. That logic was applied to the running to/from Brooklyn extending the first three and last three runs because the yard is there. A few buses may run their extended routes a bit longer to get back to the depot in service (Bx5 to Pelham Bay on Saturday nights is an example at 10:45pm and formerly 11:25pm before service was cut back).

Westchester does have some open door routes serving the Bronx. W45 stops at Pelham Bit Stables and Bartow Pell Mansion, while W60/W61/W62 are open door on Boston Road. W54 has two stops on the Bronx side of Mundy Lane. MTA did at one time (2007-2008) propose to send the Bx7 to Ludlow MNRR station Also since the BxM4C has been cut downtown the BxM18 has been picking up the slack below 23 St. I think Bee Line at one time even told BxM4C passengers to transfer to the BxM18 for service below 23 St.

As Daniel Bryan would say, YES, YES, YES! BxM18 is a one way line, sending that to Yonkers is the equivalent of sending runoffs and putins of the BxM1 and BxM2 to/from Getty Square (like the to 238 St). The BxM18 will run and share some stops with the W8 so it will be in a different area. BxM18 travels a lot further downtown than Metro North or the BxM3 so it may be attractive to some other riders. BxM18 costs wouldn't really increase by much (if any) since they already are going to Yonkers Depot. In the end it is a zero cost due to the reimbursement so it isn't a big issue either way. Similar to why some express buses run in service in the reverse peak direction (instead of deadhead), running the BxM18 in service in Yonkers is similar.

BxM18 - Should be extended to Getty Square Yonkers via Riverdale Avenue. Just like the BxM3 runs through Broadway past the border, the BxM18 will run through Riverdale Avenue through the border. May get a few extra riders keeping those deadheads in service. Bx5 - White Plains Road service runs overnight at 40 minute headways. Bx5A - new bus running completely on Bruckner Boulevard, restores some service lost in 1999 on part of Bruckner (between White Plains Road and Castle Hill Avenue), gives other areas of Bruckner Boulevard bus service for the first time (or the first time in many years if Bruckner ever had a bus service between Bronx River Avenue and White Plains Road). Bx36 - Cut back to Grant 174th Street, replaced by Bx36 LTD in Manhattan rush hours and middays, normal other times. Bx36 LTD - Service expanded to middays, rush hours, and early evenings. Replaces Bx36 in Washington Heights. Bx39 - Late night service north of Gun Hill Road replaced by Bx41, new late night service begins south of Pelham Parkway running 50 minute headways. Bx41 - Late night service extended to 241 St

Riverdale residents wanted to keep the M100 because it had a Manhattan designation according to this poster http://talk.nycsubwa...?subtalk=317073 http://talk.nycsubwa...d?bustalk=39126 http://www.subchat.com/buschat/read.asp?Id=201615

You still have the Bx7 coming from Washington Heights, unless you want to cut that back to 231 St as well? Even the Bx20 comes from Inwood.