Q43LTD

That McDonald signage brings me back to the PBL days. Like when the Q8 just said Euclid like it's a neighborhood. I'm not too fond of these corner destinations. It should be neighborhood, street then via whatever. The Q41 is a bit excessive now. LIB I had an issue with too.

Some random thoughts about this Queens redesign: The Q9 is proposed to be extended south to 135 Av. I find that funny since its ex GBL brethren have Rockaway Blvd as a short turn, not a full time terminal. Most notably the Q6 and 10. The Q37 being extended to JFK is kind of similar as if the Q77 were extended to JFK. 2 options from Queens Blvd, 2 options from Jamaica Terminal

The Q73 idea was pretty much a handful of ideas that I liked from the other draft.

I'm actually surprised the 23 to LGA was not considered in these redesigns

There's those 23 to LaGuardia discussions that will come up. Take the 48 out

That area still has direct access to Forest Hills

It's to have a bus route serving all of 108 St between Forest Hills and East Elmhurst.

I would have left that for the 63, instead of it being a supplement to the 66. I believe there was talk back on RD that the 66 should be a LTD or have articulated buses. The thing that got me was it was proposed to run 24/7

This is a similar setup when the was Triboro

It's priorities and this hypocrisy. The narcissism and the entitlement mentality.

It's safe to say the B103 has come a long way since the Command days. It was an intra borough limited, then a certain former member got upset when it became "just another" LTD

Those definitely need to be in a dumpster fire

What's funny is the Q16 was supposed to end at the current 31 terminal and the Francis Lewis and Utopia branches got their own number in the previous draft.

I mean there are some ideas from the first 2 drafts that I liked that could have made the final cut. Mostly from the second draft and probably one from the first draft.

I have a feeling may not do the same for Manhattan or Staten Island. This whole rush, LTD, local and SBS/crosstown bit

Overall, I'm half disappointed, half relieved at this proposed final plan.

The Q112 to Broadway Junction is similar to my B10 to Cypress Hills in the Brooklyn Redesign thread. (Why the B12 needed a LTD variant is beyond me) I would only do it for ADA and when the goes express between Euclid and Broadway Junction.

Maybe Broadway Junction would be better for the Q112 then?

I looked at the map wrong. In the 1st draft, the Q37 no longer served the Casino. In the second one, it was modified in South Ozone Park for the umpteenth time. In this final one, it's supposed to go to JFK with another modification in South Ozone Park. I'm starting to agree now. Perhaps the B14 would be better taking that Pitkin segment to Ozone Park. Don't know what the turnaround would be though

So, in your case, Union Tpke would get the Brewer treatment in a way: Q45- Kew Gardens-Springfield Blvd Q46- Kew Gardens-LIJ Q48- Kew Gardens-Glen Oaks

I thought it was Fresh Pond until 2008, when Grand Avenue was formed

I meant the branch, not the route itself

Overnight goes to Queens Village LIRR. It is proposed to be eliminated.

I believe the Q60 had a school tripper at Russell Sage JHS 190 during the Green Line days. The 69 then the 19A had one at LIC during the Triboro days.

Now I have some time this weekend, my analysis on the final proposed plan. The should listen to Barry White's Practice What You Preach, but that may be like pulling teeth. Anyway: Q1- Glad that merger with the Q6 is gone. Loses the Queens Village LIRR branch, but gets extended west to Jamaica LIRR to help out the Q43. Does it retain it's rush hour trips to 179 St though? Q2- Stays as is Q3- Stays as is. Q4- Stays as is. Maybe Elmont Rd and Dutch Broadway would have been better than Elmont and Central by the SSP Q5- So the 233 St branch becomes the 24/7 route. The Rosedale LIRR branch is combined with the Q85 Rosedale branch to be the reinvented Q86. The Green Acres branch becomes the Q87. Little ironic history here. First time since the 80's it will not travel to Nassau County full time. Q6- Stays as is Q7- Stays as the through Rockaway Blvd route ending at Lane HS. Doesn't go to Cedarhurst or Inwood though. No service to the Cargo area. Gets overnight service. Q8- No service south of East New York New Lots . I'm guessing those Euclid short turns are gone. Q9- Extended south to 135 Av to cover the elimination of the Q10 via Rockaway branch. Short as it is, and it gets "rush" service? Q10- Service stays entirely on Lefferts. So glad it is not combined with the Q64 Q11- Stays as is, however it will serve Lindenwood to replace the Q21 and combines the Old Howard Beach and Hamilton Beach branches into one. Late night service between Queens Center and 157 Av. I guess the short trips will be extended to 157. Better than extending the Q21 to Jackson Hts or making it a shell of itself by turning it into a shuttle between Rockaway Blvd and the branches. Q12- Stays as is, service is entirely on Northern. I guess those 165 short trips are gone. Q13- Stays as is, shifted to Sanford. No more Lippman arcade service Q14- New route. Eliot leg of the Q38 combined with the Q23 north of Corona. I feel it would have better if it ended at Ridgewood or Fresh Pond Rd . Better than its former incarnation I guess. Q15- Stays as is with no service east of Whitestone. Ends by the former Q14 terminal. Glad it is not merged with the Q19. Q16- Stays as is but the Franny Lew branch becomes its own route. In the last plan, it was cut back to Bayside and extended west to Skyview. Q17- Stays as is. I suppose it's better than the College Pt-Fresh Meadows bit. Q18- Stays as is, service straightened out in Maspeth. In the original, service was supposed go to Ridgewood. Q19- The only change I would do is have it run until 10 or 11. So glad it's not going to Beechhurst. Q20- Stays as is, but would be rerouted in Linden Hill to replace the Q34. Service shifted to 14 Av. Last I checked, 14 is residential. At least it's not ending at a stub called Briarwood. Q22- Stay as is with no service west of Rockaway Park. But extended to Far Rockaway LIRR? They didn't learn anything when they took the Q113 away from there? I guess it would be closer to Redfern PJ's Q23- Stays as is with no service north of Corona. I liked the plan when it went from East Elmhurst to Fresh Meadows becoming a 108 St route. It still could be. I guess they did not want to overserve 108 St with the 23 and 50. Q24- Brings back the B22 although no service east of Jamaica Center and no service west of Broadway Junction. Q25- Stays as is. Has no business going to Springfield Gardens anyway. Q26- Stays as is but extended north to College Point. Regains off peak and weekend service. Doesn't go to Cambria though Q27- Stays as is, service removed from Holly. Doesn't do the College Point-Oakland Gardens thing Q28- Stays as is Q29- Stays as is. I thought Dry Harbor was too narrow for buses. Considering the Queens Center-Jackson Hts portion would have went to the Q21 and the Queens Center-Glendale portion would been rerouted and became a Q80. Q30- Stays as is with no service east of Queensboro and loses weekend service. The Q75 from the last plan was slightly better. Q31- Stays as is for the most part but rerouted in Auburndale and Bayside and extended to Bay Terrace SC. Wasn't this supposed to go to College Point? Q32- Stays as is Q33- Stays as is however goes back to LGA, this time serving Marine Term only. NB service is shifted to 81 St though Q35- Stays as is but shifted to Rockaway Beach Blvd to cover the loss of the Q22. Extended to 108 St for the ferry Q36- Little Neck branch becomes the full time route. Rerouted in Queens Village, loses weekend service. They had to do something to keep bus service on LNP. I suppose it's better than the Q45 and 57 proposals. Q37- Stays as is with an extension to JFK and gets 24 hour service. Realigned in South Ozone Park. Will it still have buses not serving the casino? Q38- No longer a loop route. I feel Fresh Pond-Metropolitan is a stub. Q39- Stays as is. No service to Astoria though. No longer serves Court Square Q40- Stays as is. I guess proposed service on 143 went to the wayside? Q41- Stays as is. Has part of the proposed Q109. Q42- Stays as is. Glad it's not ending at Jamaica Hospital. Maybe it could run later? Q43- Stays as is. I'm glad LTD stops are added west of 179. I was really feeling the extension to LIJ too. Q44- Stays as is. Somewhat glad it's not going to Fordham Plaza Q45- New route from Kew Gardens to Fresh Meadows was originally part of an extended Q23. Service is busiest west of 188. I would probably not run it 24/7 though. Maybe not even weekends Q46- Stays as is. Glen Oaks branch becomes Q48. Does it keep the Springfield short turns? Q47-Stays as is with no service to LGA. Extended to East Elmhurst to cover the Q33. SB service shifted to 75 St, no longer serves Bulova Ctr, Instead of Roosevelt uses Woodside to get to 69 St. Previous draft had it going to Ridgewood Q48-See comments for Q46 Q49- Stays as is. Will not go to 108 St this time Q50- Stays as is with a western extension to LGA. Gains 24/7 service. Is Eastchester considering artics in the future? Q51-Originally supposed to go between Cambria and Spring Creek and run 24/7. Now it will run between Cambria and Ozone Park. Gateway won't have service to Queens from a Queens route though. Q52- Stays as is. Glad it's not ending in Jackson Hts Q53- Stays as is. Glad it's not cut back to Jackson Hts Q54- Stays as is. It still serves Atlas Park Q55- Stays as is with an extension to 121 . I was feeling the extension to Jamaica Q56- Stays as is Q58- Stays as is, gets a new complimentary service in the Q98 Q59- Stays as is. Gets to Williamsburg directly Q60- Stays as is Q61- New route, former Q16 via Francis Lewis branch. Originally supposed to run rush hours only. Replaces part of the Q34 Q62- New route, not attached to the Q16, but replaces the Q15 east of Whitestone Q63- New route, instead of being it's own route from Elmhurst to LIC, it now complements the Q66. So who gets the short trips to Woodside? Q64- Stays as is. So glad it didn't combine with the Q10. Q65- Stays as is with no service north of Flushing. No longer serves Flushing Hospital. Had no business ending in St Albans. They felt the Q83 was that bad between Jamaica Center and Farmers? Q66- Stays as is. No longer serves 35 Av, Queensbridge . Doesn't go to Hunters Point Ferry though Q67- Stays as is, no service to Queens Plaza Q68- New route, would take on the southern half of the B24 but instead of going to Steinway, it ends at Elmhurst Hospital. Q69- Stays as is. no longer serves Court Square, does not go to Hunters Point Ferry Q70- Stays as is Q72- Stays as is Q75- New route. Operates from Briarwood to Little Neck. Briarwood is a stub. Couldn't it do Kew Gardens or Jamaica LIRR instead? Q76- Stays as is, no longer serves the Cross Island and extended deeper into College Point Q77- Stays as is with an extension to Rockaway Blvd. If the Q78 proposal was well liked, why didn't they keep it? Q82- New route replaces the Q36 and 110. Will not use Hollis Court SB Q83- Stays as is, loses the overnight Queens Village LIRR branch. Previous draft had it not going to Hillside Q84- Stays as is. So glad it did not go along with the first draft plan Q85- Stays as is. Loses the Rosedale branch to the Q86. Does the Rochdale branch gets it own route too? Q86- New route covering the Q5 and 85 Rosedale branches and goes deeper into Rosedale Q87- New route, former Q5 to Green Acres Q88- Stays as is. Does not become a through HHE route Q98- New route, faster version of the Q58 Q101- Returns, however no service east of Steinway St and extended to Hunters Point Ferry. Better than those proposals to Columbus Circle Q103- Returns, However stays on 21 St to Court Square and extended to Hunters Point Ferry like the QSC days Q104- Stays as is with service extended west to Roosevelt Island ending at the and running later Q105- New route serving 31 St and would serve Court Square. Replaces the Q100, 101 (20 Av portion) and 102 Q110- Stays as is, extended east to Floral Park LIRR, loses the 179 short trips. I'm kind of glad the Q57 isn't a thing now. Q111- Stays as is. Keeps the Cedarhurst trips. The Farmers short turns become the Q115. I miss those Rochdale short trips Q112- Stays as is with an extension to East New York. Makes a return. Q114- Stays as is. No Far Rockaway service for 147 customers though. No nonstop path on 878. I miss those Q115- New route B53- New route. Since it will be a thing now, no more B46 on Broadway B57- Extended east Jackson Hts, but no service south of Downtown Brooklyn. Will go to the B27 B62- Extended north to Astoria. Would no longer serve Court Sq or Queens Plaza I'll get to the express routes later