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Now I have some time this weekend, my analysis on the final proposed plan. The  should listen to Barry White's Practice What You Preach, but that may be like pulling teeth. Anyway: 

Q1- Glad that merger with the Q6 is gone. Loses the Queens Village LIRR branch, but gets extended west to Jamaica LIRR to help out the Q43. Does it retain it's rush hour trips to 179 St  though?

Q2- Stays as is

Q3- Stays as is. 

Q4- Stays as is. Maybe Elmont Rd and Dutch Broadway would have been better than Elmont and Central by the SSP

Q5- So the 233 St branch becomes the 24/7 route. The Rosedale LIRR branch is combined with the Q85 Rosedale branch to be the reinvented Q86. The Green Acres branch becomes the Q87. Little ironic history here. First time since the 80's it will not travel to Nassau County full time.

Q6- Stays as is

Q7- Stays as the through Rockaway Blvd route ending at Lane HS. Doesn't go to Cedarhurst or Inwood though. No service to the Cargo area. Gets overnight service.

Q8- No service south of East New York New Lots . I'm guessing those Euclid short turns are gone.

Q9- Extended south to 135 Av to cover the elimination of the Q10 via Rockaway branch. Short as it is, and it gets "rush" service?

Q10- Service stays entirely on Lefferts. So glad it is not combined with the Q64

Q11- Stays as is, however it will serve Lindenwood to replace the Q21 and combines the Old Howard Beach and Hamilton Beach branches into one. Late night service between Queens Center and 157 Av. I guess the short trips will be extended to 157. Better than extending the Q21 to Jackson Hts or making it a shell of itself by turning it into a shuttle between Rockaway Blvd  and the branches. 

Q12- Stays as is, service is entirely on Northern. I guess those 165 short trips are gone.

Q13- Stays as is, shifted to Sanford. No more Lippman arcade service

Q14- New route. Eliot leg of the Q38 combined with the Q23 north of Corona. I feel it would have better if it ended at Ridgewood or Fresh Pond Rd . Better than its former incarnation I guess.

Q15- Stays as is with no service east of Whitestone. Ends by the former Q14 terminal. Glad it is not merged with the Q19.

Q16- Stays as is but the Franny Lew branch becomes its own route. In the last plan, it was cut back to Bayside and extended west to Skyview.

Q17- Stays as is. I suppose it's better than the College Pt-Fresh Meadows bit. 

Q18- Stays as is, service straightened out in Maspeth. In the original, service was supposed go to Ridgewood.

Q19- The only change I would do is have it run until 10 or 11. So glad it's not going to Beechhurst.

Q20- Stays as is, but would be rerouted in Linden Hill to replace the Q34. Service shifted to 14 Av. Last I checked, 14 is residential. At least it's not ending at a stub called Briarwood.

Q22- Stay as is with no service west of Rockaway Park. But extended to Far Rockaway LIRR? They didn't learn anything when they took the Q113 away from there? I guess it would be closer to Redfern PJ's

Q23- Stays as is with no service north of Corona. I liked the plan when it went from East Elmhurst to Fresh Meadows becoming a 108 St route. It still could be. I guess they did not want to overserve 108 St with the 23 and 50.

Q24- Brings back the B22 although no service east of Jamaica Center and no service west of Broadway Junction. 

Q25- Stays as is. Has no business going to Springfield Gardens anyway.

Q26- Stays as is but extended north to College Point. Regains off peak and weekend service. Doesn't go to Cambria though

Q27- Stays as is, service removed from Holly. Doesn't do the College Point-Oakland Gardens thing

Q28- Stays as is

Q29- Stays as is. I thought Dry Harbor was too narrow for buses. Considering the Queens Center-Jackson Hts portion would have went to the Q21 and the Queens Center-Glendale portion would been rerouted and became a Q80. 

Q30- Stays as is with no service east of Queensboro and loses weekend service. The Q75 from the last plan was slightly better.

Q31- Stays as is for the most part but rerouted in Auburndale and Bayside and extended to Bay Terrace SC. Wasn't this supposed to go to College Point?

Q32- Stays as is

Q33- Stays as is however goes back to LGA, this time serving Marine Term only. NB service is shifted to 81 St though

Q35- Stays as is but shifted to Rockaway Beach Blvd to cover the loss of the Q22. Extended to 108 St for the ferry

Q36- Little Neck branch becomes the full time route. Rerouted in Queens Village, loses weekend service. They had to do something to keep bus service on LNP. I suppose it's better than the Q45 and 57 proposals.

Q37- Stays as is with an extension to JFK and gets 24 hour service. Realigned in South Ozone Park. Will it still have buses not serving the casino?

Q38- No longer a loop route. I feel Fresh Pond-Metropolitan is a stub.

Q39- Stays as is. No service to Astoria though. No longer serves Court Square

Q40- Stays as is. I guess proposed service on 143 went to the wayside?

Q41- Stays as is. Has part of the proposed Q109. 

Q42- Stays as is. Glad it's not ending at Jamaica Hospital. Maybe it could run later?

Q43- Stays as is. I'm glad LTD stops are added west of 179. I was really feeling the extension to LIJ too. 

Q44- Stays as is. Somewhat glad it's not going to Fordham Plaza

Q45- New route from Kew Gardens to Fresh Meadows was originally part of an extended Q23. Service is busiest west of 188. I would probably not run it 24/7 though. Maybe not even weekends

Q46- Stays as is. Glen Oaks branch becomes Q48. Does it keep the Springfield short turns?

Q47-Stays as is with no service to LGA. Extended to East Elmhurst to cover the Q33. SB service shifted to 75 St, no longer serves Bulova Ctr, Instead of Roosevelt uses Woodside to get to 69 St. Previous draft had it going to Ridgewood

Q48-See comments for Q46

Q49- Stays as is. Will not go to 108 St this time

Q50- Stays as is with a western extension to LGA. Gains 24/7 service. Is Eastchester considering artics in the future?

Q51-Originally supposed to go between Cambria and Spring Creek and run 24/7. Now it will run between Cambria and Ozone Park. Gateway won't have service to Queens from a Queens route though.

Q52- Stays as is. Glad it's not ending in Jackson Hts

Q53- Stays as is. Glad it's not cut back to Jackson Hts

Q54- Stays as is. It still serves Atlas Park

Q55- Stays as is with an extension to 121 . I was feeling the extension to Jamaica

Q56- Stays as is

Q58- Stays as is, gets a new complimentary service in the Q98

Q59- Stays as is. Gets to Williamsburg directly

Q60- Stays as is

Q61- New route, former Q16 via Francis Lewis branch. Originally supposed to run rush hours only. Replaces part of the Q34

Q62- New route, not attached to the Q16, but replaces the Q15 east of Whitestone

Q63- New route, instead of being it's own route from Elmhurst to LIC, it now complements the Q66. So who gets the short trips to Woodside?

Q64- Stays as is. So glad it didn't combine with the Q10. 

Q65- Stays as is with no service north of Flushing. No longer serves Flushing Hospital. Had no business ending in St Albans. They felt the Q83 was that bad between Jamaica Center and Farmers?

Q66- Stays as is. No longer serves 35 Av, Queensbridge . Doesn't go to Hunters Point Ferry though

Q67- Stays as is, no service to Queens Plaza

Q68- New route, would take on the southern half of the B24 but instead of going to Steinway, it ends at Elmhurst Hospital. 

Q69- Stays as is. no longer serves Court Square, does not go to Hunters Point Ferry

Q70- Stays as is

Q72- Stays as is

Q75- New route. Operates from Briarwood to Little Neck. Briarwood is a stub. Couldn't it do Kew Gardens or Jamaica LIRR instead?

Q76- Stays as is, no longer serves the Cross Island and extended deeper into College Point

Q77- Stays as is with an extension to Rockaway Blvd. If the Q78 proposal was well liked, why didn't they keep it?

Q82- New route replaces the Q36 and 110. Will not use Hollis Court SB

Q83- Stays as is, loses the overnight Queens Village LIRR branch. Previous draft had it not going to Hillside

Q84- Stays as is. So glad it did not go along with the first draft plan

Q85- Stays as is. Loses the Rosedale branch to the Q86. Does the Rochdale branch gets it own route too?

Q86- New route covering the Q5 and 85 Rosedale branches and goes deeper into Rosedale

Q87- New route, former Q5 to Green Acres

Q88- Stays as is. Does not become a through HHE route

Q98- New route, faster version of the Q58

Q101- Returns, however no service east of Steinway St and extended to Hunters Point Ferry. Better than those proposals to Columbus Circle

Q103- Returns, However stays on 21 St to Court Square and extended to Hunters Point Ferry like the QSC days

Q104- Stays as is with service extended west to Roosevelt Island ending at the  and running later

Q105- New route serving 31 St and would serve Court Square. Replaces the Q100, 101 (20 Av portion) and 102

Q110- Stays as is, extended east to Floral Park LIRR, loses the 179 short trips. I'm kind of glad the Q57 isn't a thing now. 

Q111- Stays as is. Keeps the Cedarhurst trips. The Farmers short turns become the Q115. I miss those Rochdale short trips

Q112- Stays as is with an extension to East New York. Makes a return. 

Q114- Stays as is. No Far Rockaway service for 147 customers though. No nonstop path on 878. I miss those

Q115- New route

B53- New route. Since it will be a thing now, no more B46 on Broadway

B57- Extended east Jackson Hts, but no service south of Downtown Brooklyn. Will go to the B27

B62- Extended north to Astoria. Would no longer serve Court Sq or Queens Plaza

I'll get to the express routes later

 

 

 

 

 

On 12/14/2023 at 10:34 PM, SubBus said:

Thats it.  Thanks bro.  Yeah, I see that the  going to end by the strip mall with the bowling alley...

There's a strip mall on Elmont Rd?

57 minutes ago, SubBus said:

: Nimbys in Elmont?  I forgot the name of that immediate subsection over there

I think it's Alden Terrace, but yet the X64 soon to be QM64 will end at Elmont and Dutch Broadway 

 

What happened to closing gaps and connecting neighborhoods, ?

Sutphin will have pretty decent service too from Jamaica Station until 109

7 hours ago, checkmatechamp13 said:

The Q37 has one branch under this plan.

That's my mistake. I read the map wrong. I suppose the 10 short turns at Rockaway and 150 are gone

1 hour ago, NBTA said:

Don’t entirely care about this route not being a thing, maybe I don’t know as much when it comes to that side of queens, but is the route warranted (I’d name it the Q80)?

That was one of the few ideas I liked from the other draft

The biggest one of them all, no through Springfield route

The Q37 has 2 branches and the 112 goes to Euclid Av. Another Merrick route is added. Ehhh

28 minutes ago, mikecintel said:

Here is the link with the proposed routes https://new.mta.info/document/128476

It has 590 pages!

I'll take it. Thanks!

2 hours ago, BrooklynBus said:

The new plan is out. https://new.mta.info/document/128301

That link is the proposal without the route profiles 

Trying to revive the X32?

So according to that fanmade map, the Q5 and 111 become shells of what they are now

3 hours ago, EastFlatbushLarry said:

i was thinking the same thing. i figured it was unofficial, i just wanted a link to a clearer image to assess. i don't know why, but i believe they're not even close to an official "final" draft, and that release date will be pushed back further.

I'll try to decipher it when I get home 

You can barely make out that map

There was that one time Kingsbridge and Gun Hill were over capacity 

1 hour ago, Kingsbridgeviewer382 said:

Yup, yup. The current depot will still be active during the time the new one is being constructed.

OPINION bit: That’s smart imo. Also, Moving routes and buses over to Stengel and QV would have been a logistical nightmare.

Very smart at that. I can't imagine QV handling the Q3, 4, 5, 42, 77, 84 and 85. If BP and JFK could get involved, maybe it wouldn't be so bad

8 hours ago, Kingsbridgeviewer382 said:

The plans for the new Jamaica depot have been outlined. https://new.mta.info/project/jamaica-bus-depot-expansion

Phase  for the construction of the temporary parking lot at York College (Q2-Q4 of this year)

Phase  for the demolition of the current parking lot and construction of the new depot (Q2 2024-Q3 2025)

Phase  for remediation and demolition of existing bus depot and south lot (Q3 2025-Q2 2026)

Phase  for the new parking lot and administrative building (Q4 2025-Q1 2027)

The whole project is expected to be fully completed by Q1 2027.

In addition, no routes will be moving anywhere 

Truncating a route for school reasons?

On 11/16/2023 at 8:04 PM, B35 via Church said:

Noticed it this morning.... It appears they rearranged where buses stop inside Whitman Mall...

Now that the S1 (or route 1) has less service now, they apparently bumped it back to where the S54 used to pick up (of the SCT area of the terminal, it's the very shelter the furthest away from the n79 & those HART routes).... It used to take up the closest 2 bus shelters; right before you make that left turn for the bus shelters for the HART routes.... I would go take a look for myself, but that's clearly not worth taking the LIRR to Huntington & walking to Whitman Mall from there, to then catch the n79 (even though I still like to fan that route, given that it's been a shell of its former self)....

Also saw one of the pine sniffer's videos, where he took one of the routes to Smith Haven... One of the gripes I've always had with Smith Haven mall with the old system, was that there was no rhyme or reason where buses would pick you up around the terminal area / all the differing bus shelters... I've seen more than my fair share of people miss buses, because they were waiting at the wrong shelter, because they weren't attentive and/or diligent enough.... For the most part, it was proximate to (the pathway to) the entrance of the mall, but you still had to be alert - especially when drivers would pull up with the destination signage off or whatever... In any event, judging by his video, it still looks to be more of the same...

I went to Walt Whitman Mall back in 2007 when it was still LIB. Of course the N79 (yes I'm using the capital N for this one) didn't really pick up much. A lot of these NICE routes seem like shells of their former LIB selves. I think I saw Pine Power at Roosevelt Field in 2009 or 10, I just remember it was after the sign changes. My only regret was not fanning SCT. I guess out of fear of being stranded and not being near a LIRR station

So SCT routes are now on Google maps 

4 hours ago, bobtehpanda said:

I've always thought the Q60 should be two routes, the Manhattan portion to Queens Center and Queensboro Plaza to Jamaica.

And more than likely that LIC Jamaica route will still short turn at LIRR Jamaica 

Makes me wonder how big Crown Heights and Bedford Stuyvesant really are. I'm guessing the B15 and 47 don't end in Bed Stuy

2 hours ago, Bill from Maspeth said:

I don't like the idea of swapping the Q39 and Q67 once they get to the Maspeth area.  I ride the Q39 often and there are lots of riders who would have to change buses by Calvary Cemetary on 58th St..............especially all those school kids.    

I don't either. Especially the service spans 

3 hours ago, Ex696 said:

Did they truncate it to Sands Street in the plan or was it left untouched?

It was truncated to where the B27 would end. The Williamsburg portion was deleted.