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The really could just use a loop. I think half trains brings it down to somewhere around 24tph which seems alright.

Great idea Wally!

And where trains gonna terminate...

Church Ave, along with the at Church

Another proposal: Tirboro RX from Brighton to ENY. This might be a little insane to say but the line could run with MNRR/LIRR cars modified to have less seats and more standing space. It would connect the Brighton to Flatbush to the to ENY. It doesn't even have to share trackage with the too. Needs a third rail, and retrofitted tracks. Possible future extension could be possible west to West End where the train would run on Sea Beach. But the shitty most expensive part would be elevators.

Half trains down via express, and then the runs at 6tph and the at 10tph. So another 6 TPH wouldn't be so bad all in all.

PThe and are closer to the Lex for a majority of its route, less than a block away most of the time (23rd and down). I'd route the 2nd Av Line, over 23rd and down Ave C, then onto Houston to continue into Grand St.

Trains would switch over at Jay St, Wallyhorse. Half of trains rush hour only.

Oh makes sense. Might be taking an ENY car and had no time to change.

Oh yeah I haven't thought of that. That could work. But does Culver El need express service? If it does, I'd run half of the local (E)'s to Kings Highway (or all or most if it can handle that much), and the express to Kings Highway, then switching to local after.

Seems a little complicated, maybe returning 's could deadhead back to Church.

The "lazy" ones are the ones who already take a 15min bus ride to get to the stop, I can't blame them. My proposal for the LES, is to add an extension from the under the 14th St and down Ave B to Delancey-Essex

WTC is already a platform down from Chambers, plus it's only a rush hour thing. 30tph is fine if you haven't noticed, especially when trains in non-peak direction will just deadhead.

I have an even more efficient idea:

express, local past Church

local, terminates at Church

Anyway the needs less "trains" for that scenario.

Lex riders going to 2nd avenue would not use Broadway. They'd rather have the Lex which is closer.

 

These people these days, just don't like to walk.

Ok then they can go ahead, I'm just saying that the line itself and west of the line is already covered by another line, and their is no real need for another. If I were the MTA I'd focus on underserved areas, where there is no service whatsoever.

It isn't too far? It is far. 3 Avenues. B'way, one. Until 14th. But seriously, besides Union and down, Lex is pretty much independent with no helpers.

23rd is only one avenue. Just saying there's no real use of another overlapping line.

28th is fairly close as well, 1-2 blocks I'm pretty sure. 33rd is the only exception really.

You mean Union Square. The only line for backup for Lex is B'way. And it is still pretty far north of Union. Also, Broadway only runs at 4-8 minute intervals.

No 6th Ave isn't too far away, and connections to it aren't hard. Except for 33rd there are other connections to B'way.

Do me a favor and take a ride on the Lex during the rush hour. Then tell me how a full length Second Avenue isn't necessary.

Sure the trains might be a little crowded south of 42nd, but still it's a bust. Lex has lots of alternatives already down there, no need for yet another one.

While it is possible some kid was messing around with an allen key, it's also quite possible the train crew didn't get a chance to change all the signs in time before the train went into service. It happens.

Makes sense… it's not the end of the world but hopefully the operator announces that the train is a . I'm sure an R32 would leave it's signs programmed for the , since R32's mostly run on the . If I recall correct they haven't ran on the since last summer, dunno if that's still going.

Also the would be sensible a local, because the has a connection to Fulton, and the World Financial Center

Am I the only one who thinks SAS south of 63rd is bust? Maybe an spur to the East Village might provide better service to the Lower East Side, a dense area with hardly any service as it stands. The Lex plus the other lines entering Manhattan seem like enough.

And once again, where would these extra trains come from...

 

Plus, the already has enough cars/crews for its SAS reroute anyway, you're not even thinking and that's the problem...

According to your logic there's not enough crews or trains for half the other proposals in this thread. I was just suggesting an alternative to Wally's scenario's. The will probably only need about 3 more trains, and I'm 100% sure that's lying somewhere around the system at any given time.

In addition: Is there some money lying around for an Triboro RX. ENY to the Brighton Line would be a useful connection, plus the rail is already in place. Maybe some MNRR/LIRR cars and the day's done.

I'm not sure how much that'd cost, maybe upwards to 20mil. Electrification, some signals, new rail, and platforms.

Probably not. While annoying and confusing, it does not inhibit the cars' operation in any way.

It's an easy fix as well. I'm sure a C/R wouldn't change the signs in 2 cars and not the rest. Maybe some kid decided to have fun.

And where would these extra trains and crews come from...

Anyway I'm sure there are a few crews for a light extension. They can get crews for SAS why can't they do it for the . It hasn't been hard in the past, why would it be hard now.

If you have the extra trains why not, I always thought it was a little useless for the line to just stop at WTC, when it could have some sort of connection to Brooklyn. There is no service to 8th Ave from South Brooklyn without a transfer. Plus the entire point is to bypass overcrowding, so South Brooklyn riders can have an easy connection without having their trains jam-packed. A direct bypass would be useful, which is what the trunk was made for. CPW is good comparison of the stick the crowds on the local scenario.

This is, of course, assuming that the switch at West 4th can be used in regular service like that along with the and on the local. Considering they can't even do this during GOs, this sounds risky. Not to mention, the West 4th transfer is one of the easiest transfers to use in the system considering it's one elevator ride or two flights of stairs away, and there isn't exactly a shortage of steps between the two levels.

 

I never understood what this whole business of wanting a Culver Express was about, anyways. Is there heavy demand for it?

Rush hour trains run via Culver Express, peak direction express past Culver Ave, reverse commute trains run Culver Local until Church.

Or the other way around, express, local. If anything it gives riders another trunk to get to without a transfer.

The really sucks with ATO, imo. It doesn't feel right.

Improving the speed and efficiency of the line overall? Thats debatable because ATO will not ever replace the human talent of a skilled T/O.

Reminds me of "I, Robot" by Issac Asimov. ATO is really sad as it destroys many jobs, just like mechanical arms in the assembly line, or drones in warfare.