3 Point Climb Question

[+Young+]

As we all know by now, the R110A/R110Bs and everything else that's older have just one step below where the train operator sits to assist those doing the 3 point climb either in and/or out of the subway car.

 

The R142s and everything else that's newer have 2 steps to assist those with the 3 point climb.

 

Does anyone know why?

[Joe]

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest it's due to increasing weights of train crews.

 

Interestingly, on the R1-9s, there's no lower grab iron next to the storm door as there is on a SMEE. The cars just get easier and easier to climb onto.

[Trainmaster5]

So you can choose which step is easier and safer to use.

[SubwayGuy]

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest it's due to increasing weights of train crews.

 

Interestingly, on the R1-9s, there's no lower grab iron next to the storm door as there is on a SMEE. The cars just get easier and easier to climb onto.

 

Yup although on the Lo-V's and D types (which came before), there was. A D-type is actually quite easy to climb onto. Apparently the IND chose not to incorporate those design elements into the R1/9s.

 

A/B's were not easy to climb into (from the ends). The coupler had a stirrup underneath it, then you step onto the coupler, then onto the anticlimber to enter. There is a large vertical grab iron on one side of the storm door, and the pantograph gate to the other. Makes it feel like a 2.5 point climb at some points.