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  1. Unless I've been mislead by a NYPD officer NY State Police have jurisdiction over ALL parts of the state. I've seen them on the Staten Island Expressway, the Belt Parkway, Dyre Avenue at Light Street, and Flatbush Avenue at Grand Army Plaza in the last 2 months. That's highway and local streets. BTW they'll often use the green and white State Park Police vehicles to patrol. I doubt that they're overstepping their jurisdiction. Carry on.
  2. LIRR And MNRR Random Thoughts Thread

    I’d like to make a quick point and ask an obvious question. AFAIC any extension of NJT eastward to Jamaica station is a no-go. With ESA on the horizon the LIRR has already planned to evict the Atlantic Branch Brooklyn trains from the existing plant at Jamaica citing “ no room “ as the reason. The existing trackage will be for Penn Station, HPA, LIC, and ESA LIRR trains. My question is what gives anyone the idea that there’s an actual, profitable, market for a Babylon- Trenton service. That’s even if the equipment, signals, and power issues could be overcome. Anyone familiar with the existing plant at Jamaica knows that there is no easy way to turn Eastbound trains there. A NJT-MNRR combo appears to be an easier nut to crack IMO. Qualifying on the signal systems alone is no easy task as it is. That’s why you had crew swaps at Penn Station for the Meadowlands service. Feel free to critique my post and I won’t be offended. Carry on.
  3. LIRR And MNRR Random Thoughts Thread

    You've hit the nail on the head. The very names tell the story. Pennsylvania Station and Grand Central Terminal. New York Penn, like Newark Penn, were not terminals on the Pennsylvania Railroad. Many Amtrak trains do originate or end at NY Penn but Boston and Union Station in DC are probably considered the terminals on the Northeast Corridor. It's an Amtrak station that has LIRR and NJT trains terminating there. Trenton, NJ and 30th St(?) Philadelphia have commuter lines terminating at those locations but they are Amtrak pass through locations. Grand Central Terminal doesn't have the same function. Hope this adds to your clarification. I knew what you were getting at immediately. Carry on.
  4. LIRR And MNRR Random Thoughts Thread

    I’m not a regular Peak train rider of the LIRR but I’ve noticed that the Ronkonkoma, Babylon local and express trains generally leave from the same tracks off Peak hours. Correct me if I’m mistaken. I was told by an employee that the tracks are posted 10 minutes in advance generally but track changes occur when trains come from West Side Yard if the scheduled crew is unavailable. I’ve seen pandemonium at 10 pm when a track is posted, especially after an event upstairs at MSG. Reminds me of the running of the bulls. Carry on.
  5. Actually you're right about the loading zone idea IMO. That's why I was exempting Manhattan from my post in the first place. I guess I should have clarified that. The point about overnight delivery in the outer boroughs is something that I was trying to get a bead on. I wasn't referring to the Shoprite, King Kullen supermarket delivery where there's usually a defined loading zone but rather the mid-block ground floor businesses on many commercial strips. The meat market, luncheonette, pizza parlor, dry cleaning establishments with upstairs residences. The two and three story types. Is anyone suggesting night delivery for these places? I remember people complaining about the private sanitation overnight pickups because of the noise. I can only imagine how that works out when the babies, schoolkids, and Fido are disturbed by a 2am delivery. That's why I used the " real world " phrase. To those who thought my crack about UPS and FedEx paying the city for double parking was made up I suggest reading about the city including the ticket revenue in their anticipated budgets for years. With Vision Zero and citywide congestion during rush hour traffic where is the incentive to speed up the traffic flow? Suppose the city could mandate flexible working hours and congestion pricing. I can only imagine the howling from the progressive types and the free market libertarian folks. I'm just trying to find out what you people think. I don't pretend to know the answers. Carry on.
  6. I've read the proposals for bus-only lanes, night deliveries, better DOT/ coordination and the like and it appears, at least to me, that people come up with "solutions" that are poorly thought out. Everyone seems to be focusing on their situation and overlooking the big picture. Suppose the DOT creates bus lanes in the outer boroughs to speed up bus transit ? Is this a rush hour only proposal or a 24/7 deal? I'm thinking Flatbush Avenue from Kings Plaza north to Grand Army Plaza for example. With this Vision Zero idea lowering the speed limits in various locations does anyone actually think that a B41 bus from the south is going to be faster than an auto, with 1 or 5 passengers, traveling along the same route ? I can't see how that's even remotely possible. BTW the last time I looked it was the motorist who was paying the fees that went toward the upkeep of the city streets, certainly as much as a non motorist, correct? The double parking argument in NYC is nothing but "pie in the sky" to the bus riders and the regular motorist alike. Take off the blinders and come back to the real world ASAP please. Let me realistic here. UPS, Fedex, DHL and the like pay NYC for the privilege of double parking on the city streets. I don't know the law/rules in effect today but as a former letter carrier for the USPS many years ago the NYPD or Parking enforcement agent could not ticket or interfere with me, period. This brings me to another idea I feel is unrealistic and unworkable in the real world. Overnight delivery. I'm speaking of Brooklyn because I know that borough more than any other but I think what I'm saying applies to all of the outer boroughs. Michael's Meat market on Nostrand Avenue, businesses on Coney Island Avenue, Kings Highway, Utica , Fulton, Manhattan Ave, 86th St,or Pitkin Avenue all get daytime deliveries and have for at least the last 60 years that I've personally witnessed. I'm not talking big box stores but mom and pop stores. The backbone of any community. Are people suggesting that the owners remain overnight or hire new employees to receive these overnight deliveries? Do the owners resort to putting in 20+ hour days or give up and move on? Is anyone willing to pay the higher prices these places will be forced to charge? The bread, milk, bakery, package ( pizza boxes, etc) , beverage delivery people will charge these businesses more, as will UPS, FEDEX, and the like because they will have to pay their employees more, including night differential in many cases. Guess who ends up with the short end of the stick? Via, BrooklynBus, Interested rider, B35, and the rest of you are welcome to critique, pro or con and I won't be offended. I'm trying to get people thinking about the big picture, that's all. Carry on.
  7. Second Avenue Subway Discussion

    The MAS ( Maximum Allowable Speed) on the LIRR is 80 mph or so IIRC and I think their equipment is more powerful than anything NYCT runs on a regular day. I'd guess that the only two stretches in the subway system that could possibly see anything approaching even 60 mph would be on the Rockaway flats and a fully repaired Sea Beach express track style. The signal system the subways run under wasn't designed for high speed operations in the first place. CBTC wouldn't really help either because of the relatively short distance between stations and the physical layout of most sections of the system. Remember that after the Union Square wreckage the federal government stepped in and found insufficient stopping distances between signals throughout the system. That's where the speed governing and timers came from. On the LIRR sections where trains approach MAS the station are far apart, for example KO-CI-Brentwood-Deer Park on the Ronkonkoma Branch those stations are about five miles apart yet the trains usually run about 60 mph or so. I'd guess the Hicksville to Jamaica run (non stop) is the only one I've traveled where the trains run close to 80 mph and I'm guessing the " Cannonball " between Speonk and the Hamptons is a high speed run where trains run at MAS. Perhaps a newly constructed Queens bypass running isolated stopping once between the east and western ends of the borough could approach 70-80 mph but otherwise anything else is a pipedream IMO. Carry on.
  8. I've been enjoying myself reading this thread especially the last few pages. Since everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion it's rather obvious that there will be sharp differences between posters. I happen to agree with a lot of Interested Rider's thoughts as well as RR503's ideas. What's been mentioned slightly is the bond markets and new construction around the city. I think that Interested Rider, BrooklynBus, and a few other posters are old enough to recall the past ups and downs of transit in this region. The bondholders will dictate the future of mass transit in the NYC area. Period. Those new luxury digs going up in LIC, Downtown Brooklyn, and the like are being financed by whom? This just looks like this generation's " Urban Renewal " projects with a financial focus rather than the racial element of the Sixties/Seventies plans. It's my opinion that before a single shovel was put in the ground for any of this construction the City of New York should have demanded a set-aside financial tax/fee dedicated to mass transit improvements. I think that it's absurd that someone who has moved into these new developments has the nerve to complain about overcrowded or trains up in Astoria. Those folks in the UES who are now complaining about crowded trains on the SAS what, exactly did you bring to the table? For years I've read about and been part of the overcrowded Lexington , , and trains in upper Manhattan as well as the overcrowded, unreliable bus service up there. The new line opens up and suddenly it's overcrowded and needs more service. Where, pray tell, did this new ridership come from? Are the Lex lines and the buses less crowded? I'm oversimplifying this to make a point. DeBlasio, or even Prince Andrew, aren't calling the shots here. The bondholders of the , the PA, and those who financed this new construction are the direct cause of many of the new transit problems in the city. Many are too young to remember that Robert Moses, hero or bad guy, was brought to his knees not by Nelson Rockefeller, the governor of NY, but by David Rockefeller, the Chairman of Chase Manhattan Bank. The financiers, not the taxpayers, should be held accountable. They, the banks, hold the ultimate power.Those who applaud this wave of new construction without mass transit funding improvements will suffer just as much in the inevitable next financial collapse. My opinion. Carry on.
  9. SUBWAY - Random Thoughts Topic

    Just some random musings I've had for a while; 1- As someone pointed out elsewhere why don't the planning/ zoning folk in NYC communicate with the when new constuction is proposed before it's green-lighted ? This Astoria, Long Island City, Sunnyside thing seems makeshift at best. 2- Speaking of Astoria and the clamor for more service up there can you posters clue me in on the real problem ? Is this a rush hour problem , a weekday problem, or a lack of adequate service daily. Suppose I leave the up there and add the to the mix? In other words ditch the from that area and instead run the from 71 St-Continental to Whitehall ? Re-create the old line but run it seven days a week ending at 9 pm? Would that work. Before you guys bring up the yard argument if the is sharing Astoria terminal with it they would share a combined fleet too. Cars that need to be serviced would run as trains. 3 -This is an SAS question and I do not pretend to know the answers. There are posters who are claiming the trains are overcrowded up there. Again I ask if this is a rush hour or an ongoing problem ? I've spoken to two people who have been with Transit for a combined 70 years. One of them uses the daily during the early part of the am rush from 96th St. He asked me if I started reading the NY Post because that's the type of "tripe" (his word) they write.about every city agency except the NYPD. In other words it sells papers. When I asked him about the increased ridership on the SAS he pointed out that of course ridership is increasing when you start from zero. When he asked me what I would do I said that if it's a rush hour thing I'd add one or two trains and call it a day. 4 - Actually includes 2, and 3. If the choke point that is DeKalb Avenue is near or at capacity why do so many posters propose sending more trains via the Montague tunnel or Manhattan Bridge to Bay Parkway or Ninth Avenue ? Proposals to send the or down there somewhere for whatever reason reeks of foam to me. 5- My last question is directed toward a special poster whom we all know. Believe me I do like you even after reading some of your proposals. Those of us who visit the bus forums will notice that this week the Q37 bus route out in Queens has decided to run buses that bypass the casino and racetrack at Aqueduct. Lack of ridership at that location. I remember someone asking for increased subway service to that location which I, as a patron, and an RTO person said wasn't needed. AHEM. No apology necessary. Carry on.
  10. SUBWAY - Random Thoughts Topic

    FYI There was no fleet just as there's no fleet. There is/was only the and fleets. Think about the to Utica, Flatbush or New Lots. Different stops but the same fleet. Carry on.
  11. Department of Subways - Proposals/Ideas

    I realize that you're new to the forums and very excited to be posting. Welcome aboard. If you'd take a moment to ​a- look at my screen name, ​b- realize that I'd been a C/R and then a M/M for close to 30 years (mainly on the line), and ​c- that I'm getting up there in age and have seen many things in NYCT and the that the average railfan will never see I suggest the following. Go through some of the pinned threads pertaining to random thoughts or proposals before​ you post some of your ideas. Many of them have been discussed countless times over the last decade or so, the pros and cons, and you'll probably see quite a few responses to your idea. Let's just say the to Dyre is not an idea that's had much support over the years. Why would you propose making the line longer, and more prone to delay, while the can run to any unserved or underserved location in the Bronx without disrupting another line ? You have your opinion and I have mine. No hard feelings though. Keep posting. Carry on.
  12. Department of Subways - Proposals/Ideas

    Thank you. Finally a post that points out the obvious needs of the market in the northern part of the system. It seems that everyone else has an idea about routing, re-routing, or re-arranging services that already work while missing the ​enormous gap​ in Bronx subway service. Common sense says to tap the unserved or underserved market first but, as I've been told, "common sense isn't so common any more"..Run the service from the Bronx down Second Avenue to a southern terminal and you've essentially replaced the missing Second and Third Avenue elevated services. Wasn't it one of the main ideas to relieve the congestion on the Lexington Avenue line? Wouldn't this idea accomplish that ? Carry on.
  13. Blame the Assengers too!

    Around the Horn I'm with you on the one coroner's truck on duty in upper Manhattan on a Friday night. The TSS and the NYPD senior officer in charge made the determination that NO criminality occurred at the scene. The TSS and the officer took the discharged train to 138th Street middle on the line and waited for the coroner's truck up there. BOTH supervisors were second guessed and critiqued for their actions that night. Sometimes you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Better to walk in another's shoes before spouting off criticism about another person's job performance. BTW Wallyhorse your solution is the correct one but it doesn't help those passengers stuck on trains between Grand Central and 86th on the express track. Carry on
  14. Blame the Assengers too!

    I'm going to leave this here and wait for the responses. Friday evening and a deceased person is discovered on a n/b express at 86th Street Lexington. P.M. rush hour. NYC protocol says to wait for the coroner's truck to arrive at the scene to investigate. Naturally you railfans and the regular passengers don't want that to happen because ALL n/b Lexington express service would shutdown. Would you rather have the body removed from the scene ASAP or wait until the coroner's truck arrives? Should the body be removed from the train and secluded somewhere in the station? I'm describing a true incident. I was heading s/b and picked up a TSS at 125th Street and took him to the scene. He told me that there was only one coroner's truck on duty in upper Manhattan on a Friday night and a wait of 2 or 3 hours was anticipated. How would you clear up the delay? I'm curious to see the responses. I'll let you know what happened in a little while. Carry on.
  15. Department of Subways - Proposals/Ideas

    Why would you want to make service along Nassau Street more popular? With the exception of the rush hours there's no real reason to travel on that line. Anyone traveling along the 4th Avenue Line or Brighton corridor along the stretch from Prospect Park to DeKalb Avenue already has options to reach that area. Look back at the travel patterns since 1967 or the Mid-Eighties 'til 9/11. Outside of the rush hours there wasn't any clamor for service on the line. Even with the original WTC still standing. You seem to want to put those tracks to use but the potential ridership, today and in the past, say you're wasting your time and costing the money. Carry on.


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