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  1. I must be really old. Thomas Dewey at birth and Malcolm Wilson who replaced Nelson Rockefeller when Rockefeller became Vice President.
  2. Railroad Clerks, not train clerks. My bad. Autocorrect and tablets bug me which is why I usually compose my posts on a computer. For those who are unaware the railroad clerks were today's station agents. Carry on.
  3. That was my first stint with Transit. Was a provisional RR Porter and a college student at the same time. Left and knocked around doing construction work for a decade and came back as a conductor. Same TA pass number both times. I've pretty much had a bus/train pass for half my life starting with elementary school. I've worked stations and lines that only exist in the history books but I wouldn't trade my experiences for anything. Nostalgia train ? I've ridden them all 😃.. That's why the last civil service trainmaster and I got along so well. First time I collected fares as a Dyre C/R I told him that the Myrtle-Jay conductors taught me that years before. I also gave lunch reliefs to some of the TRAIN Clerks too. They said they trusted " the kid" because I was honest.
  4. Your job is to check the situation out and call for help ( EMS, PD, FD) as needed. If instructed to by the RCC the C/R is to remain with the sick customer after the train is discharged and await help. That way the following trains can continue to move. There are situations where the customer can't be safely moved which brings things to a standstill. I've had a shooting on my train with no injuries where my train remained berthed at Wall St on the Lex for 90 minutes. The NYPD took over in that case. They, not Transit, were in charge. Childbirth at 59th and Lex express track put FDNY/EMS in charge and the Battalion Chief made the original call until EMS was on scene. That took less than 20 minutes but, once again, the train did not move. In each instance the outside agency takes control of the situation and they tell the RCC when the train can be moved. I knew of three RTO employees who were EMT's before coming to transit but they weren't authorized, by the , to touch a sick customer either. I can't speak to your last question because every system has it's own procedures in place. I can say that I've been on the LIRR where the sick customer situation arose and those trains remained in the stations ( Mineola, Brentwood, and Nostrand Avenue) until medical help arrived on the scene. I'm not a lawyer but your last question leaves me puzzled. Are you suggesting that the sick customer should be carried down the line until someone responds ? The is self-insured but all that means is that the agency, and the taxpayers of New York, are going to be on the hook for major payouts down the line. I can see the Cellino & Barnes commercials already, lol. There is no way the could win a jury trial under those circumstances. That's what my experiences and training taught me. Maybe things have changed since I retired. Carry on.
  5. Actually the TWU didn't win that battle totally. Wiser heads prevailed when everyone sat down and saw the pitfalls in the bigger picture. Every line becomes OPTO non-rush hours until the first sick passenger incident or evacuation comes along. In the former case you can't discharge the train and leave the conductor with the ill person so the train can move on and service can resume. Otherwise you are left with the scenario in a CBTC failure where nothing can move until help arrives. The latter scenario is obvious. The other reason not mentioned was the case where the the T/O becomes incapacitated or injured. Who calls for help and keeps the RCC and the passengers informed? It seemed like cooler heads and the legal department won that argument. To put it in simple terms why do you think that there is a train operator still up front in a NTT consist that could conceivably be totally automated? Think about it. Carry on.
  6. Trainmaster5

    Fed up Commuters Assaulting MTA Workers More Than Ever

    Emotional trauma, verbal assault, hospitalization, is why I ignored that. Even parents yelling at their children never led to that when I was a kid. The older folks in my family could lay you out without using any profanity but I don't recall us kids being traumatized. Times have really changed. Carry on
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    Fed up Commuters Assaulting MTA Workers More Than Ever

    You posted the article and it talks about physical assault, period. The post I was replying to seemed to be trying to find some type of justification for the increase in the assault rate. Your second sentence started off agreeing with my point but it veers off into criticism or " verbal assault " which isn't what the article was about at all. Everyone has the right to complain about poor service or a shoddy product whether it's a restaurant, transport provider, Macy's, or Madison Square Garden. I've done it when it was warranted. It's never crossed my mind to assault a person, physically, because I didn't like the service . Criticism isn't the same thing as berating a person, what's being called " verbal assault ", elsewhere. Make your point and move on or take your business somewhere else. My opinion though. Carry on.
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    Fed up Commuters Assaulting MTA Workers More Than Ever

    Unless I'm missing something here in what universe is it okay to assault a person because ones commute was delayed? Sounds like you're manufacturing an excuse for these miscreants. Just my opinion. Carry on.
  9. Trainmaster5

    Unplanned Subway Service Changes

    I'm trained to rig scaffolding but the first time I had to walk the structure between stations I realized exactly how dangerous it was. I guess the changeover to the plastic fiberglass walkway is complete now. I will tell you that the wood walkways were totally exposed to the elements and rain and snow caused the wood to rot. Sometimes it was visible to the naked eye and sometimes it wasn't. I've seen employees fall through the structure although never all the way down to the street. A friend of mine , a M/M who was always taking pictures of trains even while working, went down to his waist when the wood walkway between tracks gave way in 240th St yard. He, I, and two other guys were walking the structure between Livonia yard and the New Lots station one night when I touched the handrail and a piece of it came loose and fell to the playground below us. Luckily no one was hurt. Simply put the NYPD won't walk the structure with the power off so I'm sure the supervision would never allow a structure evacuation unless it's an emergency and FDNY manages it. Trains stuck between stations don't normally qualify as an emergency situation. Just my experience though. Carry on.
  10. Many (50) years ago I was a provisional RR Porter for the TA. It’s so long ago that there were separate seniority lists for the title. IRT, BMT, and Unified. As a provisional and as an extra I picked up all types of jobs. Working from 8pm - 4am throughout the system I worked the good and the bad. Myrtle El from Bridge-Jay to Sumner was great. Ditto for Prospect Park on the Brighton. My home station. Gun Hill Upper and Lower, 168th on the Jamaica and Utica on the Fulton were some of my favorites. Chambers on the BMT I put in a special category. I remember that the station had large overhead signs suspended from the ceiling on the n/b platform that gave route information . This was before the BMT- IND Manhattan Bridge connection. I used to make a special trip to the station while in high school just to catch a particular train. When the “via Williamsburg Bridge “ light would go off the “ via Manhattan Bridge “ one would light up and many people, including me, would move forward to board the special trains that used the rarely used southern tracks on the bridge. Move forward a few years and lo and behold I was assigned to clean the station one night 😁 . To this day I remember that night. I cleaned the booth and mezzanine where the Brooklyn Bridge, Chambers St, and Municipal Building passages connect. According to the work program posted in the booth my major duty for the night was to clean the center platform. I took my broom, scrap pan, and my sawdust and started working. Maybe 20 minutes passed and all hell broke loose. A Transit patrolman, some flagmen conductors, and a Station Supervisor showed up in that order. It seems that the platform hadn’t been swept in years and the regular people who normally were assigned to the station knew the routine. That night the clerk and I were clueless about that. The station supervisor was angry at first but he eventually realized that I wasn’t at fault. I just followed posted orders. I’m guessing that platform hasn’t been cleaned twenty times in the last fifty years 😀. To this day that station, along with the pre- renovation Utica , and the old Atlantic Avenue Fulton-Canarsie station are among my favorites. Carry on.
  11. DTC that’s correct. That’s also why the generation before me rarely used the numbers , or letters , for a train service. The former was the Broadway-Seventh Avenue Express while the latter was the Brighton Express when letters replaced the numbers on the BMT. The exception, in my immediate family, was that they lived on Fulton Street for a time with the BMT Fulton El and the IND subway underground. Therefore the was always used as the identifier. Heck, when I was a kid the 1 was the Brighton and the 7 was the Franklin Avenue line. We used to take the 7 to Ebbets Field for baseball games long before we took the to see the Amazin’s lose in Queens 😁. Thanks for bringing back the memories. Carry on.
  12. Trainmaster5

    De-interlining: Problem or Solution?

    I'm glad to see that someone besides me sees the fallacy of all Seventh Avenue trains being sent to the Brooklyn College-Flatbush terminal. I worked the when the terminal swaps were originally introduced. The major reason given was barn access for the line. Prior to that Lenox trains were serviced at 239th st and/or 240th st barns depending on the equipment needing service. Our consists back then had 9 cars with 2 or 3 different SMEE types thrown together. I recall the Lenox transfer crews made mucho dinero back then dragging bad order cars from the line all over the Bronx and to 207th street for repairs. The other reason given was the later introduction of all-day Lexington express service in Brooklyn which meant that any blockage on the Seventh Avenue line wouldn't cause massive delays or a suspension of all Brooklyn service which used to be the case before the changes came about. Just my recollection of why IRT service in Brooklyn was structured to what we have today. Carry on.
  13. Trainmaster5

    Light Rail in NYC?

    Why not have the residents of both sides of the ROW vote on your proposal ? It would be very interesting to say the least 😁 . Carry on
  14. Trainmaster5

    SUBWAY - Random Thoughts Topic

    After a lunch date with some friends and some fellow " pensioners" I figured I'd pass along some observations from some old folks, RTO, Surface, and CED. I mentioned a thread to them where someone was complaining about the not running it's scheduled trains in the subways. Let's just say that the Surface guy shook his head while the rest of us got into it. I don't know how or what the NYC schools teach these days but two of us remember a class trip to the old Pennsylvania station back in the day. We weren't in the same school but she and I distinctly remember the tour guide showing us and explaining railroad schedules to us. When I entered schoolcar as a C/R my instructor was surprised that I knew about the " 5 minute" rule regarding lateness. He thought a transit employee had given me a heads up. To wit, a train can arrive up to five minutes past it's scheduled time and not be considered late. Airlines used to have the same policy back then. I brought up the schedule subject here because some people seemed to obsess over the concept. Let me make this point as clear as I can. The subway schedule is a guideline, period. It was not written by an entity in a " burning bush" nor was it etched in stone and delivered to the masses from the mountaintop. It's simply a guideline that, if everything is operating correctly, shows a time when service should arrive. Let there be a signal problem, equipment trouble, or something passenger related and that schedule goes out the window. I worked in the IRT so let me show a few examples that I know about. S/B train at 86th or 77th St with a problem during the am rush. The Command Center would tell Parkchester to drop an interval or two and Pelham to run a flex so instead of Pelham running 10 trains an hour they would cut back to 6 or 7 instead. Forget re-routing down the Lex express because that's already jam packed. If we move the problem to the 7th Avenue side the procedure is basically the same. S/B between 96th St and Times Square with a problem ? Depending on the situation the order(s) would be 137 drop a few or ( major trouble) shutdown, VC go on a flex and drop an interval or two and for the " Big Enchilada ", Lenox shut down service. IIRC all transportation providers have the disclaimer on their schedules, tickets, and websites these days. I had a job where I would travel " light" from East 180th St , loop at Bowling Green, and go in service from there. There were times when the Grand Central dispatcher would tell me to loop, bypass Bowling Green, and head up to Union Square and go in service there when my C/R and I determined we had a sufficient load. That's real dispatching and realtime scheduling, Lol.The other thing I want to mention is this idea of speeding subway trains over switches. The only high speed switches I'm aware of are located on railroads in the metropolitan area. Think of the east and west ends of LIRR Jamaica station, for example. Maybe looking down from Rockaway Blvd/ Liberty Junction on the the old Ozone Park LIRR station and plant would have them. Perhaps south of Newkirk on the Brighton or the Sea Beach line could have had them installed years ago ? What I'm getting at is I doubt the would install any type of high speed switches where there are columns present so that precludes the "subway" IMO. Railroads and subways are not the same thing especially when it comes to operations. Seems to me that the screwed up and slowed down service too much with their policies and the general public wants to speed things up, which I understand, but neither side seems equipped to do it safely and reliably. Maybe they should consult with those who know the job ? Carry on.
  15. As long as you're riding subway or bus there's no consequences if you happen to be late. I rode the train from New Lots Avenue to 239th yard or Lenox yard five days a week after becoming a M/M. That's after riding from New Lots to Lenox, Dyre or 241 st as a C/R. I owned a car the whole time but we were warned from Day One that we were issued a pass for a reason. An accident on the Belt Parkway or the Cross Bronx resulting in your lateness , no matter whom was at fault, meant a write-up and being sent home without pay. I've signed on at Westchester yard and finished at East New York Yard, signed on at Corona and finished at 38th St yard in Brooklyn as a work train M/M so I think your hypothesis is somewhat too general. Most of the folks I worked with who are still on the job don't drive if at all possible. In RTO, at least, attendance and punctuality is what would make you or break you. I've seen non-probationary folks in RTO terminated for attendance. Carry on.


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