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  1. Trainmaster5

    General SBS Discussion

    Let me throw a little history lesson in here. It wasn't that long ago (to me) that the whole area east of the train station was a transit desert There were three bus routes serving the station primarily. The B42, the B17, and the B60 with the latter route serving the residents east of the station. Let me point out that only alternate B60s came that far south. The terminal was at Hegeman and Rockaway Avenue. There's a playground where the the buses used to be stored in an old trolley barn on that corner today . Going back to the Glenwood situation east of the station remember that Flatlands was the primary street down there and anyone else who wanted the could use the E 105th station if the subway was what they wanted. I can recall when the B6 and the old B50 began to serve the area east of the station. Carry on.
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    History of fare evasion

    Whether you’re speaking of Pennsylvania or NY Central railroads, IRT or BRT/BMT subways, the various trolley and bus companies it has always been illegal to ride those conveyances without paying. It’s classified as “ theft of service “ . Is that your question? Over the years the penalty may have changed but theft is theft . Carry on.
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    Fix & Fortify - 14th Street Tunnels Closure

    Thanks for the heads up. As far as those riders bailing at B'way Junction I've seen that pattern increase over the years too. I remember calling those stats about station usage bogus because of B'way Junction and the crowds xferring there. You're right about the population growth stagnating past Alabama toward121st. Bunch of knuckleheads under the Fulton St portion and those on the north side of Jamaica Ave ( Highland), let's just say they don't use the subway much any more. Kinda dead up there. Been trying to tell my folks who ran away from Bushwick 30+ years ago about the transformation over there . Carry on.
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    Fix & Fortify - 14th Street Tunnels Closure

    I'm not sure of the ridership numbers of today's Jamaica line from Queens to Broadway Junction so help me out here. I've seen people denigrate the skip-stop service and I wonder if they're aware of the original reasoning it was instituted. The 15 ran A/B service from 168th to Eastern Parkway and reversed it in the evening. Think today's trains. The reasoning being that all stop service would be extremely delayed at the heavier ridership stations such as Sutphin-LIRR or Woodhaven Blvd. At Eastern Parkway those trains would then run express to Manhattan because local trains would start their runs there , Atlantic Avenue, or Rockaway Parkway station and be joined by the Myrtle-Chambers locals. It seems to me that the ridership is getting shafted if the proposed plans I've seen are finalized. Perhaps I'm missing something here? Maybe start some trains at Eastern Parkway and and let them run local to Marcy ? Carry on.
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    SUBWAY - Random Thoughts Topic

    RR503 answered your question correctly. I personally have made the stop with supervision standing beside me which is a rule violation. After I explained my reasoning to the General Supt. , who was standing beside me at the time, my C/R and I were commended for being resourceful and helping our riders. I wouldn’t advise anyone else to follow that path. Carry on.
  6. Trainmaster5

    Unplanned Subway Service Changes

    That's what I last heard about the relay tracks. Your solution was the only viable option that came to mind. IIRC much of the unused trackage along the Nassau line is/was being removed anyhow with only the basics left to maintain. BTW Wallyhorse your proposal for 600 foot platforms along the Eastern BMT could only be viable if the structure was torn down and the current services were placed underground in Brooklyn and Queens IMO. They're not running wooden el cars or lightweight equipment these days. Reinforcing the structures and maintenance would be extremely costly. Carry on.
  7. Trainmaster5

    SUBWAY - Random Thoughts Topic

    Yes they did. They used to go further south toward the back of the now rebuilt bus depot while ramping down to the railroad tracks. The trackage was cut back over the years and the railroad connection was severed over 30 years ago. Eventually the structure was cut back too. Hope this helps some. Carry on.
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    Unplanned Subway Service Changes

    Are the old tracks north of Chambers that used to be relay tracks still available? If they are unavailable for relay use what is your next option? Just curious. Carry on.
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    SUBWAY - Random Thoughts Topic

    Actually the Nostrand Avenue stop is the northernmost stop. You have it backwards.
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    SUBWAY - Random Thoughts Topic

    Has anyone checked out the DC Metro repair program being done this month ? Check out the Washington Post site or Google it. How would you compare it to how the NYCT does it here in NYC ? Just curious. Carry on.
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    SUBWAY - Random Thoughts Topic

    Green was originally the fleet out of 239th yard while the was black striped based out of East 180 yard. The fleets were swapped prior to the arrival of the R142 cars.
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    Second Avenue Subway Discussion

    I seriously doubt that Nassau County ,( North Shore or Belmont Park), will welcome NYCT trackage across the county line. Ditto Westchester ( Getty Square or Dyre extension ). There are neighborhoods within NYC that don't want subway service anywhere near them. It may look good to railfans but NIMBY and $$$ concerns and politics always determine the outcome around here.
  13. Let me chime in here with some quick points. While some people seem to grasp the general idea of residency some are very misguided. When I started with NYCTA in the mid sixties most people did reside in the five boroughs. We made a good wage ( I was a teenager) and folks raised their families here. The upwardly mobile did move to Westchester, Bergen, Essex, and the eastern counties of Long Island. By the early seventies crime was increasing in NYC and the housing stock was redlined and deteriorating. It made sense to move. Just because those people moved elsewhere and the present workers may live beyond the city limits doesn’t mean they don’t see the conditions as well as a city resident. A B/O is working in those conditions whereas the average person is just passing through. I’m going to oversimplify the argument to make a point. If those older folks didn’t move away and were forced to stay in NYC where would the younger applicants for these jobs come from? The housing stock in the city has always been limited. That’s part of the reason why I grew up with and worked with some second and third generation coworkers. They all resided in the same households. One of my best friends family consisted of his father, bus mechanic, himself, a bus cleaner, and his son, a B/O . His uncle was also a bus mechanic and his cousin is a B/O. The uncle and cousin lived a few blocks away from us. If residency was limited to NYC only that would take five jobs out of the potential pool for new hires. BTW Flatbush depot was not plopped down in a residential neighborhood. If the buses didn’t come to the neighborhood down there it would still be farmland 😁. Just my opinion. Carry on.
  14. Trainmaster5

    Department of Subways - Proposals/Ideas

    Just want to add some context to my observations. I’ve pointed out numerous times about my problems with the ATS system. RR503 made an astute point about the Tower Operator at 149th Grand Concourse-Mott .When local supervision had control of the plant my train was always on time heading down the Lexington corridor. I am under the impression that whatever sensors the ATS uses at Mott Avenue are/were poorly placed s/b which would automatically line up my follower before it entered the station on the upper level. The sad part was that local supervision down the line knew the reason for my lateness but the RCC wouldn’t allow me to use that as a reason whenever someone questioned me about lateness. The official line was that the ATS was a success, period. As I’ve pointed out many times I’ve had all types of supervision make that trip with me and had an ally in the RCC whom I gave radio checks to from Dyre to Mott. Luckily the General Superintendent had my back and my folks at Operations and Planning created a new job for my C/R and I that kept us out of the political mess of the ATS system. That’s the job where we had no local supervision when we signed on. That was the O&P folks way to give the finger to the ATS crew at the RCC😁. There was no supervision because the RCC used the implementation of ATS to eliminate the dispatcher job at that location. @ RR503 and RailRunRob My rabbi wanted me to point out that 35 years ago we had a discussion about the junction and some of us wanted to move the functionality to the north end of Franklin Avenue for n/b service. There was an unused dispatcher office on the platform towards the northern end. He told us that the idea was never considered because the Franklin Shuttle passed directly above that location. The last time a few of us kicked it around was when we thought the shuttle was being torn down. Between the shuttle rebuild and the Transit Police district takeover of the staircases at that end of the station for a time I don’t know if there was any thought of working on that end.
  15. Trainmaster5

    SUBWAY - Random Thoughts Topic

    Totally out of left field thoughts. I believe that Mr. Byford has good ideas and I hope he gets things done. I don’t believe that he’s going to be around to see his 5 year plans completed. Politics will take it’s toll. Happens to them all eventually. If this was totally a NYC- NYCTA venture I’d have a better feeling. , not so much. Too many cooks. Just my opinion. Carry on.


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