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  1. Thanks Snowblock . I was hoping that someone would see the point of my post. Perhaps I value human life differently than others. As far as the argument about Broadway and the avenues goes IMO it might be safer to walk a few blocks rather than being cooped up in a crowded subway car. Of course I’m focusing on Manhattan rather than the outer boroughs. To each his own I guess. Carry on.
  2. It’s just my take but if the local trains are running almost empty and the express trains are running crowded one would have to be rather stupid to get on the express, no ? I wouldn’t want to be crowded on any public conveyance these days. Especially if I have a choice. Am I missing something here ? Just curious. Carry on.
  3. 370 Jay St was the NYCTA HQ. Remember that the was a state created agency for the railroads before the city transit system was added to that creation. 130 Livingston is the successor to 370 Jay. That’s the way I look at it.There are auxiliary offices located at 180 Livingston which housed the pass unit and the drug testing facility in the past and are probably still housed there. Carry on.
  4. The from VC around the old ferry station and back to VC was no bargain either 😁. I did that once in ‘86 for a celebration ( Statue of Liberty???) and I never went back.
  5. The , aka " the Beast" originally ran from 241st St White Plains Road to New Lots Avenue in Brooklyn. Local stops in the Bronx and Brooklyn. The present day " Beast " also makes local stops in Manhattan overnight on the way to Flatbush-Brooklyn College. It's counterpart is the overnight from 207th Street Manhattan making all local stops to Far Rockaway. Either one is a guaranteed workhorse, mainly for people with little seniority or gluttons for punishment, IMO. My opinion. Carry on.
  6. Forgot one thing. Before the cake is finished one must re-lock the storm doors and put the safety chains back in their new position.
  7. This is a trick question, right ? ………. ………. ……….. …….. I listed them in that order but there is some background that I should explain. When I came to RTO the IRT was a Bronx based division. Most jobs started there. I was a Brooklynite without a car. To actually pick a job that started in my neck of the woods meant you had beaucoup seniority. So I was an Extra List C/R. A two trip job on the meant that I was actually making 3 trips from New Lots to 241 St to get on the payroll, 2 round trips, and a trip to go home. Makes for a long day, trust me, but I'm not a quitter. The crew office people that did the assignments said that they did that to acquaint new employees to the whole system. I told them that I wasn't a newbie, I had been a provisional Transit employee, a RR Porter, a decade or so earlier, and that I had a bus and subway pass since 1960 and everything quickly changed. When you tell someone that you have cleaned the stations on the Myrtle Ave El from Bridge-Jay, opposite the Transit building, to Sumner Ave on the overnights it opens eyes quickly and the word gets around. I still traveled Uptown but Lenox Terminal was my destination 90% of the time. Believe me 2 trips from 148 to Flatbush feels like a vacation rather than 2 trips on the Beast. The good part was that the supervision that I met at 241St, Lenox, and Dyre as well as the crew office at Jay St knew each other so they looked out for me. The Chief Transportation Officer in the IRT lived upstairs at Lenox, his cohorts were the same guys who broke me in in school car as a C/R and as a M/M and my rabbi got promoted. It also didn't hurt to have the last civil service Trainmaster asking about my whereabouts and career from time to time. Imagine making a trip on a random Saturday or Sunday night and your school car instructor, alone or with family, pops up in your operating car to see how you're doing ? And he's off duty. Put simply it was a family affair in the Lenox Division and, to me, the pinnacle was the line in those days. A round trip from Dyre Avenue or 241 St to Utica and a round trip from Dyre or East 180 St to Atlantic beats 2 round trips on the Beast from the Bronx to New Lots any day. Especially when the jobs paid the same or more. After a stint in the Misc. work train, Transfer, and Utility world I picked a job on the and finally one on the and I never looked back. Picked jobs starting at East 180th, Dyre Avenue, and finally Brooklyn. The whole time I was surrounded by my original Lenox Division family. It was the same thing with some of my C/R classmates who always worked the or lines whom I never really saw except in Refresher courses, Fire School, or at the clinics. Even when they got promoted they remained in the Eastern section. End of history class. Break time. Carry on.
  8. Work train in Corona yard was cancelled so I was used until the person assigned by the crew office arrived from the Grand Central Shuttle dispatcher’s office. In my whole RTO career I have made 5 round trips total on the up front and in the middle and even less on the and the lines. I was a Lenox guy, , or line while the and were under the Eastern section, pick wise and the was Queens. Work train, Transfers, and Utility titles meant that I could traverse all that territory as well as the other divisions. I knew BMT Southern people who were in East New York yard fewer times than I was. Back then it all depended on “ the needs of the service “ and the Desk Trainmasters who decided that myself and a few others in my position were qualified in the other division without ever having been broken in on those lines. Sorry for the long reply but you brought back some memories of a different era in RTO. Carry on.
  9. Less than 3 minutes. A pro , or 2 people, can do it in less time than that. Depends on how long it takes to charge the air brake trainline. With SMEE cars it’s charge, remove safety chains, apply hand brake(s) on remaining equipment, return to original position , insert cutting key, use reverser, back off one foot. Cake baked. The remaining cars will have the emergency brakes activated when you separate the cars. If everything works as designed. Perhaps an active train operator can correct me because it’s been decades since I last cut a train. The procedure with NTT is different than I described but the general idea is the same. Hope this helps you. Carry on.
  10. On the Lenox Shuttle back in the ancient days we would cut the south 4 cars off in the station and use them for the shuttle. The remaining 5 cars were laid up in the yard. As a conductor I would only open the second south car for the passengers which made it easy to clean out at 135th St. You can imagine the rider’s dismay when we started getting married pairs with AC and my car and the fourth car had AC and their car didn’t. Two stops, 10 passengers, with 2 who paid 😀. I’ll let you guess who complained the loudest. Carry on.
  11. It depended on location IIRC. VC, New Lots, Dyre Shuttle ( SMEE) , were cut 5+5 in the station. I went to Main St once in the 80’s and they were running 5 and 6 car trains late night with temporary wooden platforms. The conductor was an old timer and didn’t mind where I stopped because I didn’t know where the stop marker signs were anyway. I made one round trip and never went back to the again. I’m guessing that the B division had their own routine. Just my memories. Carry on.
  12. Just imagine how many yard switching jobs were eliminated when we went to 4 or 5 car units instead of single or married pair cars. Bottom line thinking by the bean counters 😁. Carry on.
  13. Change your lines and we’re on the right track. Lenox ran 9 car consists to Flatbush Avenue while the ran 10 car consists to New Lots except for midnight runs which were 5 car trains. You are correct that Lenox wasn’t set up for 10 car trains. There were a few tracks that could hold 10 cars but the majority was limited to less capacity. The Lenox yard was originally a maintenance facility and a storage yard but the barn was long gone before the Lenox Terminal station was constructed. As you mentioned VC, 239th, and later E180 maintained our fleet of mixed equipment. I broke in on nine car Lenox trains and worked switching jobs at 148 st. The original (unused) signal tower was at the entrance to the yard next to the river and we could look at Yankee Stadium from the yard tracks. We even had a “vacuum train track “, 25 or 26 track, IIRC, that was never used because it flooded after heavy rains. Imagine working Lenox yard on a sunny summer afternoon with pleasure craft passing by and the young ladies waving at us while topless or totally nude. The Chief Transportation Officer lived upstairs and every Saturday afternoon he would drop by and tease my partner and I. We just switched southern terminals after the swap and the finally got it’s own barn. Just my remembrance. Carry on.
  14. Maybe the transportation providers, the manufacturers, those who set the standards, the operating folks, and even the unions, should take the time to reflect on what happened here. There are many things that I have thought about last night but I always go back to my school car instructors. The mantra was safety is number one. Take a look at the pictures of the equipment and the station! This isn’t an everyday incident but maybe it will be a wake up call for all of the people that I mentioned. I applaud the heroism of my RTO, Station, coworkers and the FDNY. To the OPTO proponents........, I have nothing to say. My take. YMMV. Carry on.
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