Phantom909 Posted June 30, 2012 Share #51 Posted June 30, 2012 Well then... I agree with the ruling. The mandate is but a tax, if you think about it, and there is a way to avoid this tax: buy health care. As for illegal immigrants, no one complains when they are doing the jobs you don't want to do. Don't make me give examples... have you read the decision because i have, in fact ive read it twice. the majority calls it a tax, yet they dont define what kind of tax. taxes are what governments use to generate revenue to operate the government. they are calling the mandate a tax, yet the money is not going to the government, it is going to the health insurance companies. the penalty would go to the government. In the majorities convoluted logic, they concluded since the IRS will be monitoring the compliance with the act, that makes it a tax. there is absolutelly no single instance in the tax code, the constitution, or anywhere else that has precedent in a matter like this. The closest I can think of is in FDR`s Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933, where to keep the price of corn high, FDR ordered farmers to not grow as much corn as normal, and kill off livestock, since corn cost more, companies that purchased the corn paid a higher tax on it, which then was funneled back to the farmers to pay them. BTW that law was ruled un constitutional by the court in the 1936 united states v butler case This decision on Obamacare is the worst since the 1942 Wickard v Filburn case. It has fundamentally changed the relationship between the individual and the government. So next time when the government wants you to buy something they will just call it a tax. This is all about the government wanting to control you. The individual`s freedom of choice met its death panel on thursday, the death panel was the supreme court. now for your contention about illegals doing jobs that americans wont. thats because most parents today have failed miserably by not instilling a work ethic in their children, Starting in 1970 when I was 13, I had 2 long Island Press newspaper routes. I held them until the paper went out of business during my senior year in high school. The money wasnt great but it still taught me the value of work. when I started looking for a full time job in 1976, when the economy was bad at that time, I went every morning to an agency that supplied day laborers, i did everything from unloading trailers, boxcars, carrying full rolls of carpet among others, the pay was minimum wage at the time $2.40 an hour. But I still did it. Eventually one company that I went to saw my work ehtic, and decided to hire me full time, that was April 17, 1977. I have had a full time job since then, I have never been unemployed. I dont see how high school and college kids on summer break dont do that, no job is beneath you. the problem today is that most, not all,young adults have been too babied all their lives. theyve been given everything they have and expect more instead of learning the value of hard work, joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom909 Posted June 30, 2012 Share #52 Posted June 30, 2012 I was being general with my first response about deregulation. If you had read it more carefully, I never attributed deregulation of banks themselves to Reagan. I only said that the cascade of deregulatory policy started around the same time as his administration was in office. actually that was started by jfk. in 1961 the top marginal tax rate was 90%, JFK lowered it to 70% and eased regulations which led to an economic boom in the early 60`s. I doubt you were alive in the late 70`s for the Carter recession which was just as bad as this one. Reagan deregulated some businesses to spur competition and lowered the marginal rate to 28% which turned out too low, he ended up raising it in the coming years. Yes, some people made a lot of money, but they were the people who created the real jobs in manufacturing. millions of jobs were created, and even though he cut the rate so low, with all the jobs created actually increased tax revenue to the federal government so which deregulated items that reagan did, lead to the problem we have now joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted June 30, 2012 Share #53 Posted June 30, 2012 no, you first said that there is nothing wrong with socialism, now you say it isnt that bad, which is it? you dont see that universal healthcare and medicare isnt hurting anyone. here are some figures on that social security is $15.7 trillion dollars in the red in unfunded liabilities. The Social Security head actuary has said that it will be insolvent in 2026. they are already talking about raising the eligibility age to anywhere from 67-70. I will be 69 in 2026, so after a lifetime of working and having money taken from my check for 50 years, the money will be gone? How does that not hurt/ medicare is $82.9 trillion in the red in unfunded liabilities.it will be insolvent by 2024 if major changes are not made. again just when im eligible. obamacare`s cbo score was just raised from costing $940 billion to $1.76 trillion Do you see a pattern here? While all these programs are noble in purpose, they are full of fraud and waste perpertrated by the temporary politician masterminds who have pillaged them. Government creates only one thing really well, DEBT, but the problem is that WE end up paying for it. Joe I was trying to say that Socialism isn't that bad. That was my point in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoSpectacular Posted June 30, 2012 Share #54 Posted June 30, 2012 actually that was started by jfk. in 1961 the top marginal tax rate was 90%, JFK lowered it to 70% and eased regulations which led to an economic boom in the early 60`s. I doubt you were alive in the late 70`s for the Carter recession which was just as bad as this one. Reagan deregulated some businesses to spur competition and lowered the marginal rate to 28% which turned out too low, he ended up raising it in the coming years. Yes, some people made a lot of money, but they were the people who created the real jobs in manufacturing. millions of jobs were created, and even though he cut the rate so low, with all the jobs created actually increased tax revenue to the federal government so which deregulated items that reagan did, lead to the problem we have now joe Once the loopholes were figured out by the big wigs they screwed up the economy again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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