SEPTA - Random Thoughts Thread

[Ale188]

Since NJT is already here, I felt like it was about damn time to add SEPTA, since Philly is a less than 2 hour drive from NYC. You can talk about anything SEPTA related here, from the BSL to the Regional Rail to the new BAEbird XDE40s. So let's get the Philly party started!

[FLX9304]

Should we start with how many 2005 D40LFs 8000-8119 are left in service In Southern, Callowhill and Frontier? But as you notice, they’re also retiring the 2008 DE41LFs 8120-8339 at the very same time! 

[Ale188]

20 hours ago, FLX9304 said:

Should we start with how many 2005 D40LFs 8000-8119 are left in service In Southern, Callowhill and Frontier? But as you notice, they’re also retiring the 2008 DE41LFs 8120-8339 at the very same time! 

Yeah, They lived long...I wonder what they're gonna do to them E40LFRs. They're as old as the 08 DE41LFs. They're already planning to replace the MFL trains and the Kawasaki trolleys, too. Catch them while you still can! (Cuz I catch them.) And plus, are any of them at Frankford anymore? IBSL since I went there. 😅

Edited August 27, 2023 by Ale188

[FLX9304]

On 8/26/2023 at 9:51 PM, Ale188 said:

Yeah, They lived long...I wonder what they're gonna do to them E40LFRs. They're as old as the 08 DE41LFs. They're already planning to replace the MFL trains and the Kawasaki trolleys, too. Catch them while you still can! (Cuz I catch them.) And plus, are any of them at Frankford anymore? IBSL since I went there. 😅

No replacement yet until XDE40 BAEs 3525-3864’s delivery is completed. Plus, SEPTA has been given the green light to purchase XE40 buses, which that will replace the older E40s. You can still find them 83xx & 84xx at Frankford, but you gotta go to 2 stops on the el: Arrot & FTC. That’s where you will find Frankford District buses at. 

[Ale188]

5 hours ago, FLX9304 said:

No replacement yet until XDE40 BAEs 3525-3864’s delivery is completed. Plus, SEPTA has been given the green light to purchase XE40 buses, which that will replace the older E40s. You can still find them 83xx & 84xx at Frankford, but you gotta go to 2 stops on the el: Arrot & FTC. That’s where you will find Frankford District buses at. 

Ok, that makes sense, I'm guessing the XEs will be trackless trolley, too, or no?

I did hear 3525-3570 got delivered nd are all active

[FLX9304]

2 hours ago, Ale188 said:

Ok, that makes sense, I'm guessing the XEs will be trackless trolley, too, or no?

I did hear 3525-3570 got delivered nd are all active

Yes & yes. The first buses are one for one replacement at Southern 

[Ale188]

10 minutes ago, FLX9304 said:

Yes & yes. The first buses are one for one replacement at Southern 

Ah, yes...Southern...Don't they have enough XDE40s already? Send some to Comly or something.

[FLX9304]

The ones going to Southern are replacing the NF 8000s, 8300s. Frontier and Callowhill. These XDE40s they’re getting have BAEs on them. They’re different from the earlier XDEs. Those replaced the 54/55/56/58xx series 

[Ale188]

Ok. Just hope the deliveries get done by the end of NEXT year.

[FLX9304]

As of 8/28/23, SEPTA has NF XDE40 with BAE up to 3592 at Southern with 12 more buses to go before Southern is finished with their attollment. 

[checkmatechamp13]

SEPTA redesign final plan is out: https://www.septabusrevolution.com/

[Ale188]

On 9/1/2023 at 5:21 PM, checkmatechamp13 said:

SEPTA redesign final plan is out: https://www.septabusrevolution.com/

Very cool. I also hears that SEPTA is starting to us their new SEPTA Metro next year.

[FLX9304]

SEPTA’s NFXDE40 with BAE is now up to 3596. Southern needs 8 more to finish their atonement. All 83xx from Southern has been transferred to Frontier

[FLX9304]

On 9/7/2023 at 11:03 AM, Ale188 said:

Very cool. I also hears that SEPTA is starting to us their new SEPTA Metro next year.

The changes will be:

City 

Routes 1, 8, 30, 32, 35, 47M, 50, 62, 73, 78, 80, 89 are scheduled for full route discontinuation. 
Routes G, H, J, K, L, R & XH will be changed and numbered. 

 Routes 3, 7, 16, 17, 26, 37, 40, 49, 52, 57 will be shortened 

 Routes 21 & 42 will be split and become 2 separated routes. 
 New Routes: 41, 51, 71, 72, 74, 76, 81, 82, 83, 85, 86, 87
 

Suburban:

 Routes 90, 91, 92, 103, 111, 120, 123, 126, 131, 133, 139, 150, 201, 204 (operated by Krafts), 206 & 311 are scheduled for full route discontinuation 

 Routes 95, 106, 114, 124 & 125 will be shortened. 

 New Routes: 137 & 142. 
 

 Routes 97 & 98 will serve KOP along with a shorten 95. No service to UPS from 310 & 55. 

 

[Ale188]

38 minutes ago, FLX9304 said:

SEPTA’s NFXDE40 with BAE is now up to 3596. Southern needs 8 more to finish their atonement. All 83xx from Southern has been transferred to Frontier

I caught 3538 on the 57. Was excited to see it.

[Ale188]

9 minutes ago, FLX9304 said:

The changes will be:

City 

Routes 1, 8, 30, 32, 35, 47M, 50, 62, 73, 78, 80, 89 are scheduled for full route discontinuation. 
Routes G, H, J, K, L, R & XH will be changed and numbered. 

 Routes 3, 7, 16, 17, 26, 37, 40, 49, 52, 57 will be shortened 

 Routes 21 & 42 will be split and become 2 separated routes. 
 New Routes: 41, 51, 71, 72, 74, 76, 81, 82, 83, 85, 86, 87
 

Suburban:

 Routes 90, 91, 92, 103, 111, 120, 123, 126, 131, 133, 139, 150, 201, 204 (operated by Krafts), 206 & 311 are scheduled for full route discontinuation 

 Routes 95, 106, 114, 124 & 125 will be shortened. 

 New Routes: 137 & 142. 
 

 Routes 97 & 98 will serve KOP along with a shorten 95. No service to UPS from 310 & 55. 

 

Well, damn. At least none of my home routes are changing, such as the 60 & 93.

[FLX9304]

6 hours ago, Ale188 said:

Well, damn. At least none of my home routes are changing, such as the 60 & 93.

I didn’t include the 46 moving from 60th to 61st St in both directions. The 43 running on Havenford Ave and the 31 running with the MFL all the way to 63rd. The frequency of 52 will only start from Park West, while operating every 1/2 hour north of it. The 44 will directly run with the Cynwyd line’s latter 2 stations 

[Ale188]

2 minutes ago, FLX9304 said:

I didn’t include the 46 moving from 60th to 61st St in both directions. The 43 running on Havenford Ave and the 31 running with the MFL all the way to 63rd. The frequency of 52 will only start from Park West, while operating every 1/2 hour north of it. The 44 will directly run with the Cynwyd line’s latter 2 stations 

Will any other lines be lengthened? If SEPTA is shortening lines, they have to lengthen others.

[FLX9304]

39 minutes ago, Ale188 said:

Will any other lines be lengthened? If SEPTA is shortening lines, they have to lengthen others.

65 will be from Chelten & Germantown to FRTC, the 18 will be switch from Fox Chase to FTC, the 55 will run directly on Route 611 30 to Willow Grove, 60 to Doylestown. Willow Grove will be served by 22, 55, 83 and 310. 

[Ale188]

4 hours ago, FLX9304 said:

65 will be from Chelten & Germantown to FRTC, the 18 will be switch from Fox Chase to FTC, the 55 will run directly on Route 611 30 to Willow Grove, 60 to Doylestown. Willow Grove will be served by 22, 55, 83 and 310. 

That's nice to know. I like how the 60 is going to D-Town

[FLX9304]

1 hour ago, Ale188 said:

That's nice to know. I like how the 60 is going to D-Town

I meant by minutes, not by route. Route 60 itself will be partially be discontinued at the east end, ending only at Richmond & Westmoreland, and on the west end, extended to Wissahickon TC, ending with 9, extended 40, 71 (ex-H) & 82 (ex-R). The 27, 61, 124 & 125 will still serve the area. 

[Ale188]

9 hours ago, FLX9304 said:

I meant by minutes, not by route. Route 60 itself will be partially be discontinued at the east end, ending only at Richmond & Westmoreland, and on the west end, extended to Wissahickon TC, ending with 9, extended 40, 71 (ex-H) & 82 (ex-R). The 27, 61, 124 & 125 will still serve the area. 

Oh, ok. I see the 107 & 68 get extended to the airport and the 12's eastern terminal is now PL. the 116 extends to Delaware and the 119 gets close to the state, terminating near Conchester Highway

[FLX9304]

4 hours ago, Ale188 said:

Oh, ok. I see the 107 & 68 get extended to the airport and the 12's eastern terminal is now PL. the 116 extends to Delaware and the 119 gets close to the state, terminating near Conchester Highway

Chester County is taking a large hit. They’re losing 2 routes: 204 & 206. But 204 is operated by Krapf’s though. So that means that Krapf’s will have to find other ways to implement new routes on their own to serve around West Chester (served by SEPTA’s 104 & 135) and Paoli area (SEPTA’s 142: the old 92 & 206 combined). The Microtransit thingy over there is so large. 
 

actually the 68 is shortened big time. The 68 will operate full time only to PNC Operations Center. That’s the only bus that will NOT serve the airport. Only the 37, 107 extension, 108, 115 & new 137 will serve the airport. A Southern & 4 Victory routes. 

Edited September 12, 2023 by FLX9304

[Ale188]

34 minutes ago, FLX9304 said:

Chester County is taking a large hit. They’re losing 2 routes: 204 & 206. But 204 is operated by Krapf’s though. So that means that Krapf’s will have to find other ways to implement new routes on their own to serve around West Chester (served by SEPTA’s 104 & 135) and Paoli area (SEPTA’s 142: the old 92 & 206 combined). The Microtransit thingy over there is so large. 
 

actually the 68 is shortened big time. The 68 will operate full time only to PNC Operations Center. That’s the only bus that will NOT serve the airport. Only the 37, 107 extension, 108, 115 & new 137 will serve the airport. A Southern & 4 Victory routes. 

Funny. The 117 and the 110 now have a connection to the Media/Wawa Line. the 110 can also go up to PA 352, along with the 114. The 127 will go from Neshaminy to Trenton, the only bus route to go to Jersey. The 14 is shortened by a lot, too, going only from Neshaminy to Oxford Valley Mall. the 130 goes to BCCC, and a couple other things I didn't mention I'll mention later

[FLX9304]

3 hours ago, Ale188 said:

Funny. The 117 and the 110 now have a connection to the Media/Wawa Line. the 110 can also go up to PA 352, along with the 114. The 127 will go from Neshaminy to Trenton, the only bus route to go to Jersey. The 14 is shortened by a lot, too, going only from Neshaminy to Oxford Valley Mall. the 130 goes to BCCC, and a couple other things I didn't mention I'll mention later

The 14 will operate 30 minute max from FTC to Neshaminy Mall and 60 minutes from the spot I bold it. The 127 has been the only bus route that goes to Jersey. But look at that whole blue shaded spot. That whole area is gonna be served by microtransit