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Has anyone else read the M5 specs from SEPTA? There are some interesting details in there.

The M5s will have offset doors, for example, and route-map displays inside (showing the next X stops and which side the doors will open), and destination displays on the front. They haven't decided the seating arrangement yet; they want the manufacturer to propose three different options. But there will be one bicycle area per car. 

Sadly, they will be in married pairs with end doors; I see no mention of open gangways. 

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2 hours ago, rbrome said:

Has anyone else read the M5 specs from SEPTA? There are some interesting details in there.

The M5s will have offset doors, for example, and route-map displays inside (showing the next X stops and which side the doors will open), and destination displays on the front. They haven't decided the seating arrangement yet; they want the manufacturer to propose three different options. But there will be one bicycle area per car. 

Sadly, they will be in married pairs with end doors; I see no mention of open gangways. 

So it's like the R211s...

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On 2/22/2024 at 11:00 AM, rbrome said:

Has anyone else read the M5 specs from SEPTA? There are some interesting details in there.

The M5s will have offset doors, for example, and route-map displays inside (showing the next X stops and which side the doors will open), and destination displays on the front. They haven't decided the seating arrangement yet; they want the manufacturer to propose three different options. But there will be one bicycle area per car. 

Sadly, they will be in married pairs with end doors; I see no mention of open gangways. 

SEPTA never orders subway cars in more than 2 sets for the MFL, but it will have CBTC/ATO equipment on the operators side. Hopefully they keep the RFWs like they did with M4s. 

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Hello! I was in Philadelphia this past weekend and liking the Xcelisors...I know, better get use to it.


Anyways, is there something wrong with the DE40LFRs besides their age? Rode #8410 on the 5...the "scenic" 5 route (yes I know...detour) and every few minutes, the bus would vibrate to a stop. It ran fine just the vibrate to a stop caught me off guard. Didn't notice that on the other buses. Some other observations...

 

#3595? on the 124

#3560 on the 45

#3466 on the 125

#3627 on the 125

#8154, #8393, #8422, #8488 on the 15

#3317 on the 23

 

By the way, those XDE40s...#3000-3524 sound similar to NYCT #9510-9559 and Suffolk Transit's XDE35 and XDE40, correct? They don't sound like the other New Flyers.

 

Finally, has the 99 route entering King of Prussia mall (Mall Blvd) always made the quick right turn once on Mall Blvd? I thought it followed the 123, 124 and 125 to the Transit Center of the Mall. Also, the 47 and 57 routes gave me a headache with their re-routes...UGH!

 

Anyways, will be returning to Philadelphia soon. Was there visiting family for the weekend!

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52 minutes ago, The TransitMan said:

Hello! I was in Philadelphia this past weekend and liking the Xcelisors...I know, better get use to it.


Anyways, is there something wrong with the DE40LFRs besides their age? Rode #8410 on the 5...the "scenic" 5 route (yes I know...detour) and every few minutes, the bus would vibrate to a stop. It ran fine just the vibrate to a stop caught me off guard. Didn't notice that on the other buses. Some other observations...

 

#3595? on the 124

#3560 on the 45

#3466 on the 125

#3627 on the 125

#8154, #8393, #8422, #8488 on the 15

#3317 on the 23

 

By the way, those XDE40s...#3000-3524 sound similar to NYCT #9510-9559 and Suffolk Transit's XDE35 and XDE40, correct? They don't sound like the other New Flyers.

 

Finally, has the 99 route entering King of Prussia mall (Mall Blvd) always made the quick right turn once on Mall Blvd? I thought it followed the 123, 124 and 125 to the Transit Center of the Mall. Also, the 47 and 57 routes gave me a headache with their re-routes...UGH!

 

Anyways, will be returning to Philadelphia soon. Was there visiting family for the weekend!

There are yellow cords to request a stop on every bus in Philly. Maybe that's why

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33 minutes ago, Ale188 said:

There are yellow cords to request a stop on every bus in Philly. Maybe that's why

?????  You referring to the vibrating? That's happens when the bus stops at a light/stop sign too.

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On 3/25/2024 at 11:31 AM, The TransitMan said:

Hello! I was in Philadelphia this past weekend and liking the Xcelisors...I know, better get use to it.


Anyways, is there something wrong with the DE40LFRs besides their age? Rode #8410 on the 5...the "scenic" 5 route (yes I know...detour) and every few minutes, the bus would vibrate to a stop. It ran fine just the vibrate to a stop caught me off guard. Didn't notice that on the other buses. Some other observations...

 

#3595? on the 124

#3560 on the 45

#3466 on the 125

#3627 on the 125

#8154, #8393, #8422, #8488 on the 15

#3317 on the 23

 

By the way, those XDE40s...#3000-3524 sound similar to NYCT #9510-9559 and Suffolk Transit's XDE35 and XDE40, correct? They don't sound like the other New Flyers.

 

Finally, has the 99 route entering King of Prussia mall (Mall Blvd) always made the quick right turn once on Mall Blvd? I thought it followed the 123, 124 and 125 to the Transit Center of the Mall. Also, the 47 and 57 routes gave me a headache with their re-routes...UGH!

 

Anyways, will be returning to Philadelphia soon. Was there visiting family for the weekend!

Route 15 is where you will find older buses. If you want your last rides on the 81xx series, you better do it now. With Callowhill District now getting the new 36xx series NFXDE40s with BAEs on them, which is replacing the DE41LFs. 
 

3000-3524 are 2017-2021 XDE40s 

their current roster looks: 

3000-3059 at Callowhill (10, 15, 21, 30, 31, 38, 40, 42, 44, 46, 52, 65) 

3060-3084 at Victory (103-123, 125-126) 

3085-3123 at Southern (G, 2, 4, 7, 17, 29, 37, 45, 47, 57, 64, 68, 79) 

3124-3129, 3190-3229 at Frontier (90-99, 124, 127-133, 139, 150, 201, 206) 

3130-3169 at Frankford (J, K, R, 1, 3, 5, 8, 19, 25, 67, 73, 88 {59, 66, 75} )

3170-3189 at Comly (BD, 1, 14, 19, 20, 24, 28, 50, 58, 67, 70, 78, 84, 88) 

3230-3254, 3295-3344 at Midvale (H, L, XH, 2, 4, 16, 18, 22, 23, 26, 32, 35, 47, 53, 55, 56, 57, 61, 62, 77, 80, 89) 

3255-3274 at Victory

3275-3294, 3345-3364 at Frankford

3365-3384 at Comly

3385-3409 at Callowhill 

3410-3434 at Allegheny (6, 33, 48, 49, 54, 60) 

3435-3454 at Southern 

3455-3504 at Victory

3505-3524 at Frankford 

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On going 2023-2025 NFXD40s with BAEs on them 3525-3864 

so far: 

3525-3594 to Southern 

3595-3639 to Frontier

3640-currently 3669     to Callowhill 

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21 hours ago, BreeddekalbL said:

Septa cancelled its order with the chinese car manufacturer crrc for it's double decker commuter cars

There were problems from the very start. wiring, emergency exit windows, and failed watertightness and brake-test failures were the biggest issues that have plagued these cars since the first 2 cars were built. So for all the excitement about the bi-level cars, it’s gone out the window

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The above post part 2: SEPTA NF XHE40 701 is part of a 30 bus order which includes 10 Battery operated bus in 40’ and 2 different articulated buses, 5 buses each of battery & hydrogen. The Hydrogen buses are also replacing the 82xx series in Midvale and transferring 5 73xx to Comly. The electric 10 buses could be heading to either Frankford or Comly for 81xx/83xx/84xx replacements and 5 articulated to Allegheny. 

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