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Still better than the N20 flushing to hicksville with nassau and queens delays now it is just nassau. Still more reliable than before yes it was that bad.

MTA would be able to take over the N20G and run it as Q12 LTD and finally those Q12 folks begging for LTD stop service can get what they need not having to be bound by infrequent LIRR service (within queens) or slow Q12 local service. It would probably carry more than the N20 and even force the MTA to run it as a SBS line we all know how those speed up dwell times. Then that traffic will be the MTA's problem sparing the N20H from that hot mess. Look at facebook they still think the MTA would be better actually it would be worse N1,19,& 55/54 get utilized very well drop those then people flipping tables would be a reasonable reaction those routes get used well and have a low cost per rider nothing will be gained by dropping those routes.

The fact that the N71 and N19 do not reach the nearby LIRR stations doesn't help at all. Plus sunrise mall isn't exactly booming with ridership even for the N55/54. Most need to realize that NICE can't fight the LIRR when the bus tries to compete with LIRR it loses badly (NICE bus) NICE would be wise to rethink all the routes in the eastern part of the county even the N22 which is excessively long. In fact N48/49 72 and 71 and 19 need to be thought over as well as N20. Nope N50 was a very poor performer. N73 would have to be completely done over. If there is to be any bus service in southeast nassau it needs to be thought over and done over but definitely not by bringing back those routes as they were obviously their routing patterns were heavily flawed and not working. As in start over from scratch this may even involve other routes being sent elsewhere oh well case by case basis. It doesn't help when people have access to expensive cars and the bus doesn't have amenities those types demand but then again neither do most city buses.

The defects of the N20 split can be offset by the improved reliability.

Use the Q44 SBS then come back to me. It is much faster due to the reduced dwell times and it is an excellent interborough route unlike the disaster that is the Q50 The Q44 to bx5 got me to my destination faster due to the shenanigans the Q50 pulls. Isn't this a LI NICE thread?

Babylon line is 24/7 and runs every 30 minutes how often does N19 run? I noticed that after N80/81 elimination no buses in massapequa serve the LIRR N55/54 do it poorly sort of. N19 and N71 do not even serve massapequa park or amityville which are the 2 closest stations in that area yet they continue to wonder "why u not use my bus?" LOL. FYI ticket collection is hit or miss at $3 or more based on distance sadly no more connecting buses low ridership killed them.

Sadly a lot of people are horribly misinformed this is what you get for not checking up or paying attention. Plus cut the crap N80/81 carried air most of the time very few used em south of hempstead turnpike you are basically making things up at this point and it is annoying. Most were 4 people including myself even peak ridership was a sad sight to behold then again N73/73 and 80/81 never had any major ridership generators since in the 90s many of the trip generators were closed and the ridership bases disappeared along with them. N19 in suffolk was in a word sad to watch now it's SCT's problem.

Imagine the compounded delays that would result if it also had to deal with queens traffic too.

It isn't that bad.

We wouldn't have this 2nd ave subway debacle the lexington line would be a little bit less crowded and the MTA would have more money for East side access or we would have the triboro RX Or the rockaway beach line being reactivated by now rather than having to build a subway. Plus the M15 SBS would never of happened if the 2nd and 3rd ave ELs were still operating today heck the Bx55 which is now bx15 LTD would never have existed.

Well can't they breakup and shorten some of the effected lines to avoid excessive train traffic?

But with proper communication people can be convinced to warm up to said proposal once they understand it.

I know this is off topic but your name interests me. Do you work in tech? Or have knowledge about gaining experience?

huh? how so? Ohh well Clayton county GA is getting their bus service back so things can change in nassau in favor of NICE. MTA's reverse peak service would increase transit use and force NICE to restructure. 20 years is a long time many things can change in that period you never know. Will the lost routes return not in the way they were ran before though.

probably very few when taking the LIRR I've heard of people walking 30 or more minutes to the train station rather than use the bus in fact they didn't even know a bus ran where they lived well now that bus is gone oh well.

please stop. The 90s buses were screwing service over badly and without MTA level maintenance the buses broke down destroying ridership keeping them would make things worse. SCT fares aren't cheap calculate the fare plus transfers and then multiply that with daily ridership and the cost of using SCT is greatly more expensive than NICE,MTA(bus/subway) metrocards. People don't care the local fare is a measly $3 and the LIRR is fast and frequent and 24/7 unlike the N19. The N19 barely had riders in suffolk LIers want to get to their destination quickly they won't slow down to save a measly 25 cents or $1. It isn't that serious if your job can't pay the fare get a closer one. Ohh FYI the N19 to the N4 is absurdly long add in transfer time it is not worth the money saved cause of the time lost. Take the train the car is even more pricey the bus isn't practical for such a long trip.

They are sad.

Exposing the low ridership of the N19 LOL. If you are all the way that deep in Suffolk you should be using the LIRR then get off in Nassau and take N40/43 or N72 at babylon. Without N20 at Flushing N20 to Hicksville will be way more reliable. 15 minute northern blvd service between roslyn and great neck. agreed besides let em take the train. It will be very beneficial to suffolk county residents to extend S1 to sunrise mall. It would be more useful than the N54/55 to amityville. where did you get ridership numbers for suffolk county bus routes?

meaning final destination. This means there are 2 ways to speed up the trip one get off at middle neck road and chase down a N20H that already left allowing you to skip great neck or use LIRR to catch the N20H

middle neck and northern is also a transfer point too. To be fair the sunrise mall itself is a bit dead N71 and N19 do not even link to the nearest LIRR stations. Bus service there should have been reworked a long time ago N80/81 should have never been standalone routes for so long. Oh well they are dead. A handful of people used the buses there.

Maybe if it went to gateway mall via euclid and conduit this so called B22 can do well as a standalone route.