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7 hours ago, Lex said:

I'd rather punt all 4-car NTT sets off ASAP, then shift the 5-car R179s over. That would improve consistency with not just the R46s, but also the existing R211s.

The C can wait until option 1 to go full length. 

The A and C need to be 100% NTTs before 8th Avenue CBTC is live?

What's ENY going to do with the 8 car r179's displaced from 207?? Keep them idle??

Willie B can only handle a certain number of trains per hour.

9 hours ago, Kamen Rider said:

Here is how I see it:

The B is the independent line, not part of another line like the W and Z, with the shortest service time. Out of a 168 week, it only runs about 85 hours. Roughly 17 hours a day,Monday through Friday.

 

yes there is our behind the scenes stuff, but I’m just talking about passenger service.

 

I don’t think putting brand new trains on a line where they will be idle for half the time makes much sense. Sure, the C goes to bed at night, but it works weekends… The B doesn’t.

They don't need to be idle during the weekends. The NQ trains can use them during the weekends.

The MTA still has the option to run the B during the weekends. The B used to run during the weekends in the past (to 57th st though). More local service is needed in CPW during the weekends and the C by itself doesn't do justice and A and D trains need to remain express. Just look at 72nd, 81st and 86th St during the weekends. It's literally a zoo.

It is not 100% guaranteed the BD will get r211's. It's still possible that Jamaica may get some of the option order of r211's and send some of it's r160's to the BD.

55 minutes ago, Metro CSW said:

......so anyways, we have new arrivals, 4237-39 at SBK and 4235-36 inbound by morning.

Looking forward to seeing more r211's on the C. Now that the M is fully restored, I find it pretty annoying to see so many r46's running on the C. Hopefully the C can keep their 8 car r179's until option 1.

3 hours ago, Kamen Rider said:

The way transit is, the B gets suspended the moment something goes wrong. The reroute they’re more worried with the D about is Culver, not 8th Avenue.

It depends on the issues. Yes, there has been instances where the B has been suspended partially or totally, but there has been other instances where the B has been rerouted via 8th Avenue.

Lets not forget that 6th Avenue is getting CBTC, so the B will need the techs whether it's r160's or r211's.

14 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

There are 17 separate lawsuits against it. I’m telling you it’s not happening in July 😂

I heard the UFT is suing them as well, which is silly. If I were a public school teacher who works in Midtown, I would take mass transit to get there. Traffic is horrible and it's practically impossible to find parking in Midtown.

2 hours ago, FLX9304 said:

They haven’t got to excercise Option II yet. Let Option 1 play out first before Option 2 is officially placed in order. 

The MTA needs to order option order 2, so that the subway car shortage can be eliminated.

Let's not forget that ridership is growing, "B" and "D" trains need to be fully NTTs due to CBTC.

Also, the MTA will get more money through congestion pricing, so they better not make excuses for not purchasing option order 2.

18 hours ago, FLX9304 said:

4-6 weeks. Remember: cars must be redeemed “Safe to operate” by said yard before it can be placed in revenue service. So far, 13 R211As and 2 R211T sets (130/20) are in service. 

That's 26 NTTs for the "A" train. I wonder how many NTTs does the "C" train have now that the "M" train is back to normal service.

2 hours ago, Maxwell179 said:

I thought the Ts weren't supposed to run express.

23 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

And that doesn’t mean that the train order will alternate between R46 and NTT train (R179/R211). You can get 15 R46s in a row and then a single NTT train, then an additional 7 R46s, and then 20 NTTs in a row, or any mix.

Exactly, it's up to the train yards to decide the train order and how many trains per fleet are they going to run per day.

9 hours ago, FLX9304 said:

You need equal trains to make service, not one less. There are WAAAAAAAAAY 2 many errors to make it real. This is an April Fools lame joke. Cause, right now, you need to go to Ohio and tell them you made a BIIIIIGGGGGG mistake

If it weren't for the r32's, the joke would have been believable.

In the event that 5 r211's get pulled from service for whatever reason in the very near future, the r46's would fill the gap.

Let's not forget that the r32's were retired before the r211's entered service.

1 hour ago, Lawrence St said:

Due to Gearbox problems again they took out 5 R211 sets and are reactivating four 10-car R32 sets to make service.

Go get your pictures! /s

April fools!!! 😂

17 hours ago, Chris89292 said:

Lots of new 211 sets have entered service yet it still feels like there’s a bunch of 46’s in service

The r46's occupy about 50% of the "A" train fleet. The "A" train currently uses about 42 trains. Divide that by 2.

13 hours ago, Comrade96 said:

there are ~750 r46s vs about 200 211a's in service.....yeah youll still see lots of 46s

The ~750 r46's are split between Pitkin and CI. The majority of the r46's are in currently in CI.  The number of Pitkins r46's will decrease or is already slowly decreasing as more r211's enter service. Let's not forget about the r179's on the A/C trains.

2 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

Well, the R211S pilot revenue service is now late indefinitely. So much for a March testing date.

My guess is that the MTA may be prioritizing the delivery of the r211As since it's a larger order than the r211Ss.

There are people out there that are criticizing the fact that SIR is getting new trains before higher ridership lines like the "1", "3" and "D" trains.  It's possible that these SIR haters may not be aware that the r44's are older than the r62's/r68's.

20 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

4150-4159 are at Jamaica. Why, I have no idea.

I guess the MTA wants the Jamaica crew to familiarise themselves with the r211's.

We can't rule out the possibility that Jamaica gets a good chunk of the option order of r211's. We just have to wait for the MTA to confirm whether the option orders will go to Concourse/B train or Jamaica.

2 hours ago, Comrade96 said:

Yeah Id say next year at the earliest. And if they were smart they would order more, but have them all be 5 car sets. We really dont need any more 4 car sets at the moment especially if transit wants to make the C full length

OOI would allow the C to go 100% full length, but we will need OOII to make the G 100% full length with ten car trains.

12 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

No The R179s were intended to always be a separate order to replace R44s in which they did 7 years after the latter half that didn't get retired by the R160s. The supposed 3rd Option order of R160s Was to pretty much wipe out the remaining R44's and the R42s While The R179's Would have just been R32 replacements instead of R44 replacements. They Didn't want to pay out of pocket for More R160s since they needed like 300 More cars in order to replace the remaining R44 and R42 fleets. The going to 6th ave helped them deal with the shortage as more R46s that were on the along the 2 sets of R32s (these were swapped a month prior) went to the . CI also gained back their R160 sets as well as The lowest R160B Jamaica had was 9123. Those R160s replaced that 1 R32 set that was on the .

 

Mods Please merge post with my previous one.

Thanks for the clarification.

It's good to know that the A and C trains were originally meant to get the r179's as well as the base order of r211's, which will provide enough trains to displace all Pitkins r46's.

The A and C trains need to be fully NTTs before work on 8th Avenue CBTC is complete.

11 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

the original plan did not have the getting any of the R179s; they were originally only for the (later changed to ) and and then the plans changed after the original train shutdown was suspended

The original plan was for the r179's to replace the r32's. If the C wasn't originally getting r179's, then the C would have kept the r160's that it had. A lot of C train riders demanded NTTs on the C. There are even newspapers articles in the past that even talk about the C always getting the oldest equipment (r10's, r30's, r32's, etc).

And yet there are haters (mostly E, F and N train riders) that are criticizing and complaining about the A and C trains getting the r179's and r211's.

2 hours ago, JayJay85 said:

I think someone saw the r211  to Rockaway park recently, I think they're going to move the 8 car R179's out of pitkin/207th to another yard first.

The C will most likely have to wait until option 1 to become 100% full length. It seems that there is more urgency to displace the r46's off the A and C than to make the C full length due to 8th Avenue CBTC.

Therefore, the C will most likely keep it's 8 car r179's (except for the extra ENY r160's/r179's M train loans) until option 1.

Let's not forget that work needs to be done on 207th yard to accommodate longer trains.

4 hours ago, BelieveinMe said:

Fantastic.

The MTA is pretty serious about at least getting a significant amount of new equipment in before the summer heat draws in.

Kawasaki is pushing the cars out, trying to catch up to the schedule they proposed for deliveries.

With close to 200 cars now in the system, there is still plenty of work to do.

I appreciate the hard work RTO does, the fans keeping track of delivery and train spotting.

You guys are the best.

I wouldn't be surprised if by the summer time the r46's run on the "A" and "C" trains only during rush hours and a good chunk of Pitkin's r46's are either displaced to CI or removed from service.

7 hours ago, Ale188 said:

4040, 4050

4045, 4055

4060, 4065

4070, 4115

4075, 4090

4080, 4085 (OOS but went into service in August)

4095, 4130

4100, 4125

4105, 4160

4110, 4120

4135, 4140

4145, 4169

4170, 4175

4190, 4195

Lines: 

130 or 140 depending on how you count it. I count 130.

13 (ten car) r211's plus 13 (ten car) r179's. That's 26 NTTs for the "A" train.

Correct?

I wonder how many r46's are still running on the "A" train (without counting the r46's that are still running on the C). 

Also, is "A" train still borrowing r68's from the "B" during PM rush hour?

16 hours ago, Kamen Rider said:

Rolling stock line assignments is the decision of the people in Car Equipment. They are their own separate division within the Department of Subways, separate from us in Service Delivery/RTO. Whatever justifications they might have or feel, they can upend the entire fleet on a whim and a moment’s notice, that is how much authority they have.

No one who works there actively posts here, so all you have is us “Master Controller Jocks” and “Button mashers” from RTO to try to explain people we often don’t get to talk to outside of when something has gone wrong. 

that being said, word on high still seems to suggest the two options in play are:

A: send the option R211s directly to the D and Concourse.

or

B: send the option R211s to Jamaica and have Concourse get R160s.

I understand. That's why I wasn't specific in regards to what NTTs the B/D will get.

All we know for a fact is that Concourse will lose the r68's due to CBTC on 8th and 6th Avenue.

Ridership is growing and having 8 car trains or mixed length trains on the C and 5 car trains on the G doesn't cut it. Right now, there is NOT enough equipment to make both the C and G full length, but that will change once all option orders are in service.

1 hour ago, darkstar8983 said:

The base order yes would suffice for the  since it is 44 trains for the  , which is what is normally required including spare factor. Remove 10 of those R211s and move them to the , along with the 8-car R179s and 2 R211T trains. Boom. The  are fully NTT. We’d have to wait for option 1 to see what happens to the R179s

Option 1 will make the C 100% full length with 10 car trains and may allow the G to get 8 car trains. If that happens, then the G may have to go back to CI. Option 1 will provide NTTs to the B/D.

Option 2 may allow the G to become full length with 10 car trains.

2 hours ago, FLX9304 said:

A fleet? That’s the IRT. You mean B fleet. 
but remember this: You also have R211Ts on the  as well. Pitkin will send the R46 cars to CI. The worst performing cars will go, while the best performing cars will be stored in case of emergency 

I'm referring to the A train, which currently has 13 r179's (10 car) plus 9 r211's, or 22 NTTs. The A train will most likely be dominated by NTTs by the end of the month if all continues to go well with the r211's, while the r46's becomes the minority of the A train.

4 hours ago, FLX9304 said:

50- a possible 100 cars. 4200-4300? That’s why they’re trying to get things done. 140 cars are in, with several in service and burn ins. 

If all continues to go well with the r211's, the r46's will become a minority of the A fleet by the end of this month.

Hopefully, the C can keep the r179's until option 1. I'm not crazy about the r46's running on the C.

Pitkin should send the r46's to CI or removed them from service (not retire them yet) once more r211's enter service.