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2 minutes ago, AZthefoamer said:

Do we have enough 8 car sets to do that, or will it be mixed? And Eastern Division may still need more cars.

There are enough 8 car trains to make the G full length. The problem is that there are not enough 10 car trains to make the C full length. We would have to wait for option order 1 to make both the C and G full length.

6 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

I have to disagree. We were all here when the whole R44 fiasco happened and we got stuck into a car shortage for the next 13 years. The  should have been 10 cars already since 2015. I’ll go into more detail when I get to my computer.

The C will get 10 car trains. The G will get 8 car trains.

Let's not forget that option 2 includes four 8 car trains (32 cars).

4 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

I am really disappointed with NYCTA’s decision to prematurely retire the R32’s and R42’s. They should have at least kept them as a reserve fleet, which was the original plan, before they started getting scrap happy.

They will never get out of a car shortage if they keep playing this game. In what universe is it a good idea to retire cars that you need when Option 1 & 2 isn’t even confirmed yet?

They weren't retired prematurely. The r179's were supposed to replace the r42's and some r32's.

The r32's were retired because of COVID. They were a health hazard for train crews who have to be switching cars to open and close the doors.

Both options orders will eliminate car shortage.

1 hour ago, RandomRider0101 said:

Correct.

While it is true that there are exactly enough r211s in the base order to directly replace/displace the r46s from Pitkin, that doesn't guarantee that it will play out just like that. The C could become full length during the base order while some r46s stick around until option 1, which could then provide the cars needed to displace the remaining 46s.

Anyways, I don't wanna keep going back & forth on this stuff as we've done enough of that in this thread already. There are a number of possibilities that can take place with this order and we all should be keeping an open mind to that, especially for those of us who are not employees. So let's at least try to wait and see how this plays out before we reach any final conclusions.

 What is the MTA's current top priority in regards to the C:

- Make the C 100% NTTs for 8th Avenue CBTC?

Or 

-Make the C 100% full length?

That is a question that only time will tell.

Any delays with 8th Avenue CBTC may allow the r46's to stay longer on the A/C.

10 hours ago, Nova Fly Guy said:

There no talk about that anytime soon if they decide to rotate the R179 5 cars between both they will the  is only 18 trains.

As long as the C has 8 car r179's, the 10 car r179's will stay on the A. It will be too confusing to run 8 and 10 car r179's on the C.

The 8 car r179's will most likely stay on the C until at least option order 1. 

The base order of r211's will just displace the r46's off the A/C. Just do the math.

As for congestion pricing, only time will tell if ALL subway lines will experience high ridership as a result of this. Keep in mind that there are drivers that will prefer to pay more on tolls than get on a train.

1 hour ago, Comrade96 said:

its 20 cars per month not 30 IIRC

For now it's 20 cars, but if production start to run 24/7, we could probably see 10 car trains delivered per week and we could probably see 30 cars entering service per month. Let's see what happens.

5 hours ago, FLX9304 said:

Wait until at least 10 train sets are in service 

I would wait until all the r46's are gone from the A.

The C doesn't have that many r46's

The C has a lot of 8 car r179's and those trains ain't leaving the C anytime soon.

50 minutes ago, jon2305 said:

R211 4070-4079 is in service on the .

2 r211As + 13 r179's= 15 NTTs for the A. Work in progress!! 🙌

46 minutes ago, R32 3838 said:

With the feds finally giving the green light for congestion pricing, At any given moment Option Order II is a lock and the money coming from congestion pricing will fund the next new orders (R262/268)

Yes!!! 🙌

If all goes well moving forward, by 2033 (10 years from now), the only SMEEs left are going to be the garbage trains and NY Transit Museum trains

2 hours ago, 1998NewFlyer said:

So the r211 was put in at 0644 to farrockaway this morning I really think the clock was reset

Nope, A lot of people have confirmed that it passed.

As for the schedule it could be crew related.

I'm glad that the pilot train is back in service and we should expect the first production train to enter service at any moment.

I found a video that talks about the r268

I just hope that the MTA exercises option order 2 of r211's and purchases enough r268's to replace all r68's and to allow service boosts in the B division.

3 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

The will be better off going full length for fleet flexibility. Making the   8 cars would create another issue. Now the would have to have a dedicated fleet of 8 car units meaning the spare factor would have to increase for that fleet meaning more cars for Jamaica or Coney Island and this would cost even more money. The main reason why the was moved back to Jamaica was for fleet flexibility besides CBTC related things. If the is 10 cars, it can still share fleet with the and like it does now since it's 5 cars and this would allow it to continue to be 100% flexible with Jamaica's fleet or even Coney Island's fleet if it were to go back. The extra 8 car units should be used for additional 4th ave service with either the being extended or something similar to the brown . I would call it the nassau st shuttle or something with a brown .

 

The 8 car R179s getting CBTC would allow the to use those cars as well.

 

But I think for now the would still run 40% full length and 60% 8 cars until around the start of congestion pricing. The R211s would just take the place of the R46s. It's a dumb thing to run the as it is now but i think NYCT and car equipment will need more time to figure out things. Who knows they might have already figured it out.

Hopefully, option order 2 would allow these changes to happen and yes, 4th Avenue needs more local service.

24 minutes ago, Nova Fly Guy said:

R211A will go to  First the R160 will be made expendable to move To the  the Option will most like go to CIY to Move the Rest of the R160 to CCYD until the R268 are online.

I think that the second option order, which may be open gangway, should go to E/F. The R should stay with the r160's. The D should get r211As, since it does get crowded, especially during PM rush hours and during Yankees game.

2 hours ago, Reptile said:

207 and Pitkin are getting R211s of course, I have heard the MTA wants to make the 10-car trains, so will this mean the will become 100% R211 and move its 5-car R179s to the ? Will those 4-car sets move to the ?

Also if the becomes 100% R211 at Concourse will R211s be placed in service at Coney Island for the or will they be placed in Jamaica to move R160s to Coney Island?

The base order of r211As will most likely displace all the r46's off the A/C. That's is probably one of the reasons why the 8 car r179's are being retrofitted with CBTC, even though the J/Z is not getting CBTC any time.

The first option order will most likely make the C and G 100% full length and make the B/D 100% NTTs. The G will either get r179's from the C or get r160's from ENY. If CI gets r211As is going to be for the B. 

I do see second option order going to Jamaica, regardless if it's open gangway or not, while CI gets some of the r160's plus all the r68's.

The MTA needs to exercise the second option order not just for CBTC, but also for the second phase of SAS, which will require more trains for the Q.

Is it true that the MTA included the r268 in the same capital program as the r262's???

I found a video that does say that the pilot train passed the 30 day test.

Now let's wait patiently for the production trains to be delivered, burn in tested (which takes aproximately several days) and gradually be put in service.

My guess for the production trains entering service would be 1 train per week or 1 train biweekly. 

2 hours ago, ABOGbrooklyn said:

What's going on? Did the 211s pass the 30 day or fail?

Passed. The production trains need to do burn in testing before entering service.

45 minutes ago, JayJay85 said:

Those NTT trains (R211s or R160) could show up on  on weekends when the  is not running, yep CI can handle two types of equipment they always have been in the past.

Option 2 will allow the NQW to get some of their r160's back. It makes much more sense for Jamaica to get option 2 due to ridership.

2 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

1). Yes even though CBTC territory is stated to start at 59’St, it may be just south of the  interlocking, so TECHNICALLY the NTTs wouldn’t be needed.

 

2). the  will have to get upgraded regardless because of the 8 Av reroutes possible, similar to how the  will need to be upgraded once 6 Av CBTC is up and running 

That's definitely going to happen, especially once work on 6th Avenue CBTC begins, that's when we're going to see a lot of reroutings via 8th Avenue particularly on the D, which runs 24/7. The F will also get rerouted, but the F already has NTTs.

11 hours ago, JayJay85 said:

Your right just in case of reroutes, such as  running on 8th Avenue line from 59 St to W 4th St, we could have a small period of time up to a year until option 2 R211's comes in few R68's will be stuck on  or  .

8th Avenue CBTC includes 59th Street. Therefore, all r68's have to leave the B/D.

That's why Concourse will most likely get a good chunk of the 1st option order.

There are still rumors that the B may move to Concourse. I don't know how that's going to work out.

25 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

Yeah man, Staten Island is getting all the cars to have 2 minute headways!

Source??

AFAIK SIR is only getting 75 R211S's.

9 minutes ago, AZthefoamer said:

What remains:

400 R211A cars

770 R211S cars

Hopefully these get into service soon-ish.

SIR is only getting 75 r211S's.

13 hours ago, Comrade96 said:

nothing should go to Jamaica they JUST got the 160s, they shouldnt even be considered for anything

Why not?? 

The E/F trains have the highest ridership and QBL has CBTC.

The r211's is already equipped with CBTC and can accommodate more riders than the r160's.

It makes much more sense for Jamaica to get the second option order. If the MTA is really smart, then they should stop worrying about costs, think about the future and make the whole 2nd option order open gangway. 

At least the NQW riders can get some of "their precious" r160's back if Jamaica gets the 2nd option order.

Also, let's not forget that the first option order will most likely be split between 207 and Concourse due to CBTC.

38 minutes ago, R32 3838 said:

Stop it my guy. The only reason why the R46s took a hit is because they are short on cars. Y'all did this when the R32s were here

 

Were you actually expecting that the r32's and r46's will stay in service for another 10-15 years?? For what?? So that subway service continues to be delayed due to mechanical issues??

Do you know how annoying it is to get to work or school late because the train broke down?

The real reason why there is a subway car shortage is because the MTA did not order enough r179's.

The subway car shortage will be eliminated with the second option order of r211's.

1 hour ago, Chris89292 said:

So you’re saying the R211’s should replace the R68/A’s from the  and place them on the  so they replace the R46’s? Replacing old with old doesn’t make sense to me, I doubt regular passengers will notice the differences from the 46’s to the 68’s

The r68's cannot stay on the BD once 8th Avenue CBTC is done. R68's are not equipped with CBTC.

46 minutes ago, trainfan22 said:

Let's say option 2 is 211As and the T's "fail" their test... would the two open gangway sets be put in storage and rot in yards for many years like the R110s were? 

 

 

 

They won't fail. Both Ts should run on the E or F trains.