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3 hours ago, JayJay85 said:

The R68A's will be stuck on  for while until about end of 2027, the way how R211's deliveries are coming along, The  should be 100% R179 and R211's by end of 2025 based on deliveries rates 20 cars per month, so basically we won't likely start seeing R211A's on other lines until beginning of 2026 or end 2025. 

Kawasaki will need to speed things up with the r211's or the MTA will have to delay the completion of 8th Avenue CBTC.

11 hours ago, Comrade96 said:

the B D F part isnt confirmed as of yet

True

If the B D don't get the r211's, then the B D will get r160's.

Regardless of the outcome, the r68's cannot stay on the B D due to CBTC on 8th Avenue and 6th Avenue.

1 hour ago, Calvin said:

The 6th set, 4110-4119 will enter service later this week with flags by the number plate. A usual sight on all subway trains. 

That's awesome!!

Let's cross our fingers that these r211's don't get vandalized.

Vandalism in the subway is getting worse. The W is suspended and the B, D, F, N, and Q trains are delayed as a result of these vandalic actions.

Those who are responsible for vandalizing trains need to be arrested and if those vandals are teens, then their parents should be held accountable as well.

3 hours ago, Chris89292 said:

The chances of encountering an R211 without waiting for it to come is rare, I’ve went on a trip recently on the A line, as a normal passenger, no R211’s appeared on any side of the platform despite there being 4 sets in service, this happened in the weekend by the way, is it that the R211’s are out of service on the weekends or they’re just rare to encounter?

Most likely we are going to have to wait until the winter or spring to have high odds of getting on the r211's right off the bat.

1 hour ago, Bill from Maspeth said:

And when the system is officially in the state of good repair; all lines are CBTC; and these big, service altering weekend GO's are finished.

That's going to take more than a decade to happen. Meanwhile, the city is getting more and more crowded. More people (many of them don't drive) are moving to the outer boroughs. Driving is not for everyone. Let's not forget that driving to Manhattan is going to get more expensive. 

The MTA can't wait until trains are ridiculously crowded (to a point that people have to be literally pushed in and out of the train, like in many Asian countries) to consider building new subway lines or extending existing lines in the outer boroughs.

This is why the MTA needs to buy option 2 in addition to option 1 of r211's. That's why the MTA needs to get it right with the r262's and r268's. That is why the MTA needs to consider scrapping the current plan for phase 3 and phase 4 of SAS. Instead, it would make much more sense to rebuild the 3rd Avenue El in the Bronx and connect it with SAS at 125th Street as the T train and just build a tunnel crosstown under 125th Street to extend the Q train to 125th and St. Nicholas than to build more tunnels below 63rd and 2nd Avenue.

1 hour ago, Vulturious said:

Oh wait, whoops I put this in the completely wrong thread. All good.

No worries. Thank you for sharing this. You're right. I am getting fed up in regards to disrespectful straphangers blocking subway car doors with open strollers, large shopping carts, and bikes.

The r211's have flipped seats and less seats. Therefore, the r211's will have room to accommodate strollers, shopping carts and bikes.

7 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

I’m one of the firm believers that one, they should have ordered more “S” variants, and two, that the north shore branch can be easily brought back with the right amount of funding and push. None of this “light rail” and BRT crap.

BRT doesn't work in NYC. More subway lines (including extensions) are needed in the outer boroughs. Light rail can also work in the outer boroughs, especially in the Bronx, which has a lot of transit deserts.

Ordering all option orders of r211's will not only fix the subway car shortage on the B division, but it will potentially allow some lines to be extended and more service can be added on some lines.

4th Avenue needs more weekday local service, which can be achieved by extending either the W, the J or the Z. Also, CPW needs more weekend local service, which can be achieved by running the B during the weekends. Also, QBL needs more weekend local service, which can be achieved by extending the G to Forest Hills. These enhancements can be done once all r211's are in service.

6 hours ago, Bill from Maspeth said:

SIR having more than one yard to house 75 R211's in the near future would be complete a waste of money.  We do not have that ratio of cars to barns in the other 4 boros do we?  Routine maintenance of the R44's is easily handled at Clifton Shop.  At this point, I doubt if they'll send any R44's to CIYD for major work.  They'll just scrap the car and use the good parts to keep the other cars going.  It would be a complete waste of money to do otherwise.  

P.S. & Edit:  After I wrote the above, I noticed the additional nonsense he posted and that he is now banned.  I just hope he doesn't come back using a new handle.   

75 cars is not a lot of cars, so there's no need for another yard in SI, unless the MTA decides to fullfill Gov. Hochul's wish of building a tunnel under the Verrazano Bridge to extend the R train.

IMO the MTA should seriously consider at least building a couple of light rail lines in SI.

SIR and buses don't do justice to Staten Islanders and crossing the Verrazano is ridiculously expensive.

4 hours ago, Nitro said:

Dude I already know this. They should have just kept the 32s, 40s, & 42s instead of buying those broken down tin cans also known as the NTTs. On the other hand the MTA had enough money to buy brand new cars if anything were to happen to the SMEEs. But no they went on with making brand new subway stations instead. The still has car shortages to this day and you can see this with the headways. Look at what is capping them from running extra trains. They have to run expresses on a two track line during peak direction just to speed up service at the cost of skipping the busier stations like Grasmere, Grant City, New Dorp, & Oakwood Heights and the headways are 15-30 minutes long which is a ridiculous headway for a 14 mile line like the . In fact it is just as bullshit as the , The  Train to Far Rockaway, & The Rockaway Park  headways which do not see much ridership to this day because most people used to and still do xfer to the or buses instead before this Covid thing happened. Now that the  is now the slow and unreliable line and most of that was because of the  & merging and other problems that plague QBL to this day. It hurts everyone. Now with Staten Island and the little funding they get from the MTA because we know they like to funnel money around to the State's pet projects and backdoor deals. You still have people complaining that almost all of the stations are not ADA accessible in Staten Island. Still wonder where is the money for the accessible station in Staten Island? It's in the MTA's pockets.

It doesn't matter anyway since NYCT can easily order new cars anyways. It isn't that bad as you over exaggerated it to be.

Hello!!!! Subway cars don't last forever!!! Subway cars need to be replaced every 40 years. The r32's  were in service for almost 60 years and became a health hazard for train crews during COVID. That's why they were ultimately retired.

All NTTs are needed and are here to stay like it or not.

14 minutes ago, Calvin said:

I think the user was just trying to clear things up that an argument should've never been posted. Or if there's something to be corrected, it's better to put it friendly more than a strict tone. My thought to this is just move along to other posts or topics. 

 

But, to the R211s, with more sets to enter service during the fall season, they're slowly recovering from their shortage due to the R32 retirement. 

I just hope that the MTA fulfills their promise to speed things up with the r211's, so that at least 4 ten car trains can be delivered per month and at least 4 ten car trains can enter service per month. 2 ten car trains per month is very slow progress.

Also, don't be surprised if the MTA decides to wait until option 1 or option 2 to increase the spare factor on all B division yards. It seems that the MTA is more focused on displacing all SMEEs off the lines that are running or will run on CBTC territory.

Who cares about the order in which the r211's get delivered?? The most important thing is that they continue to get delivered and gradually be placed in service.

10 hours ago, JayJay85 said:

I would say the  will be NTT by 2027 that's when approximately option order 1 will be finished, It's  will be 100% NTT by 2025, NYCT can afford to allow  to be R68/A's for little longer until about 2027 option order to be done.

I don't think so. R68's cannot run on 8th Avenue once 8th Avenue CBTC is done.

8th Avenue CBTC (which includes 59th Street) will be complete by 2025. B/D trains gets rerouted via 8th Avenue whenever there's an issue.

Keep in mind that work on 6th Avenue CBTC will begin right after 8th Avenue CBTC is done, which will cause the D trains to be rerouted via 8th Avenue during the weekends.

At some point Kawasaki and the MTA will have to speed things up in regards to the r211's, so that the A, B, C, D trains can be fully NTTs by the time 8th Avenue CBTC is done.

51 minutes ago, Chris89292 said:

I cannot imagine the R211’s on the , unless the 211 ends up on the  and the R160’s replace the 68/A’s 

If the C gets r211's, then there shouldn't be any issues with the B, D getting r211's. The B has pretty much the same ridership as the C, while the D has higher ridership than both the B/C trains. Also, the B and C trains are not full time lines.

Whether it's the r211's or the r160's, the B/D trains will still need to be 100% NTTs by 2025 not just for 8th Avenue CBTC, but also for 6th Avenue CBTC.

As for the E/F, they will most likely get option order 2. It is still possible that option order 2 will most likely consist of r211Ts.

4 hours ago, RandomRider0101 said:

Which is why I've been agreeing with y'all who've been saying the should go full length first before anything. But honestly, the more I think about this the more I realize it's probably better to just push all the r46s out of Pitkin first.

The R211 order has already been delayed too long as it is. Plus the things we've been hearing about the overall condition of the R46s are not good. The cars are approaching 50 years of age, are in bad shape & are running low on parts. They just need to go.

The first priority should be making the 100% NTT first. They can deal with the afterwards. Whether the line goes 100% NTTs first or full length first, both will likely happen back to back anyways. No big deal.

 

The C will most likely go 100% NTTs first. 

Let's not forget about 8th Avenue CBTC, which will be complete by 2025. This means that all Pitkins r46's and all Concourse/CI r68's have to leave the A, B, C, D trains by 2025. 

The MTA is already behind schedule with the r211's.

Let's not forget that the r32's became a health hazard for train crews during the pandemic. That's why they were ultimately retired.

As for congestion pricing it's a wait and see in regards to which lines will get more ridership and how high ridership will be.

2 hours ago, R179 8258 said:

How many R211s are needed in service to close the gap from the R32s early retirement ?

The base order won't solve the subway car shortage in the B division. CBTC is the reason.

We would have to wait until option 2 for the subway car shortage to really be solved.

1 hour ago, Comrade96 said:

are you factoring in the r32 deficit in that as well?

I doubt that the base order would solve the subway car shortage on the B division.

Let's not forget that 8th CBTC will be done by 2025, which means that A, B, C, D trains will need to be fully NTTs before 8th Avenue CBTC is active.

This also means that the C will most likely become 100% NTTs with mixed length trains before becoming 100% full length.

9 hours ago, Comrade96 said:

No, because the A would still need part of option 1. then the C would get r211s as well

In terms of numbers, the base order will be enough to displace all Pitkins r46's.

Option 1 would be used to displace all 8 car r179's off the C and to make the B, D mostly or fully NTTs.

On 8/15/2023 at 6:28 PM, RandomRider0101 said:

If it's indeed a 1 for 1, they should combine those r179 4 & 5 car sets for 9 car service. This move would kill two birds with 1 stone: make the one consistent length again, and push the r46s off the line.

I don't think the MTA is in a huge hurry to make the C 100% full length.  The 8 car r179's will most likely stay on the C until option order 1. 

Once the 8 car r179's leave the C, the 10 car r179's can go to the C.

Has anyone thought about the possibility of option order 1 being split between Jamaica and Concourse??

In terms of ridership, it makes more sense for both the A and D trains to be 100% r211As, while the B gets r160's, while the C can become 100% full length with 10 car r179's and 10 car r160's and Jamaica gets a good chunk of r211's for the E and F trains.

Now, if the MTA does decide to put r211's on the C, then they should put the r211's on the B as well. Both B and C trains don't run full time and both lines have about the same ridership, which is much lower than the E and F trains.

11 hours ago, Ale188 said:

I was thinkin that it would go on the C. My thoughts came crashing down...

Nah, the C doesn't need open gangway trains. The C just needs to full length.

Open gang way trains need to run on the lines that have the highest ridership. It the MTA puts both pilot open gangway trains on the A, great, but if the MTA puts them on the E, even better.

2 hours ago, Vulturious said:

So apparently (and I'm still not sure if it is confirmed), the R211T at Jamaica is going to be running along the  presumably in service. Not sure if it is both or just the hard shell and when that'll be the case. 

I wouldn't be surprised if both open gangway trains go to Jamaica, but IMO I think both should go to the E.

25 minutes ago, FLX9304 said:

The IRTs R12/14/15/17/21/22/26/28/29/33/36 subway cars wanna have a word or 2 with you about mixing 

Just because mixing some of the SMEEs worked in the past doesn't mean that it is going to work with the NTTs. 

Not all SMEEs were mixed. The r44's were never mixed with the r46s and the r62's were never mixed with the r62As.

With the NTTs it's not just the mechanics, but is also the technology that would prevent the mixing.

16 hours ago, Cait Sith said:

They've actually been told to stop mixing and matching the Siemens and Alstom sets together....

....yet they still mix and match the 68 and 68As together, where one set literally drags the other from what I've been told.

The logic.

I don't understand the logic of mixing and matching different subway sets together.

What's the point of mixing for r160 A with B or r68 with r68As?? Both fleets may have similar looks, but they are mechanically different. 

4 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

The sense of entitlement in this post is outstanding. Who are you to tell people with 30+ years on the job to go get another if they don’t like cameras?

Well you need to work on your reading skills. Where in the post did I mention that train crews need to leave the MTA and work somewhere else???

Even if they decide to quit the MTA. Guess what?? They are going to have to deal with cameras in other jobs.

Also, why do you take the r211's camera situation so personal?

Don't you understand that it's for the safety of everyone??

1 hour ago, Lil 57 said:

The crews don’t want to get qualified on them. Gonna be a lot of union negotiations before qualifications speed up.

But at some point it’s gonna be either get qualified or leave. The r46s need to be replaced ASAP.

I just hope that those crew members that refuse to get qualified are doing what they're supposed to be doing in regards to operating a train.

The fact that they are refusing to operate a train due to cameras show that they are a safety hazard for passengers cause they don't care about the safety of the passengers.

Keep in mind that if they leave the MTA to work somewhere else, they are going to be surrounded by cameras.

Employees shouldn't be afraid of cameras unless they have something to hide.

Thanks to tech and transit for posting this video of the third r211a in service.