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8 hours ago, 4P3607 said:

As of November 18th the following 3 trainsets are in revenue service:

1. 4060-4069 (Pilot trainset)

2. 4130-4139 (Newest Production trainset)

3. 4110-4114+4125-4129

4125-4129 were the first to return linked with 4070-4074, however 4070-4074 has been missing in action since November 9 and instead 4110-4114 took its place. 

I have not witnessed 4140-4149 at all yet it should be the next trainset to debut.

Thanks for the update.

I got lucky today and rode 4130-4139.

I wasn't chasing trains. I was simply traveling from Harlem to Midtown and the newest r211 was the first train that came.

14 hours ago, Ale188 said:

Both Ts are at Pitkin as of now, just a quick heads-up.

Thanks for sharing. 

Both open gangway trains should be in service within a few weeks. Let's cross our fingers.

How many r211's are currently in service on the A?

16 minutes ago, zacster said:

Maybe in addition to what I said above about them being used on weekends they'll throw a few into the Broadway N/Q fleet so it is not the only line to not have NTTs.  They did that with the R42s, assigning a small number to all the lines so every line would have some air conditioned cars, and then intermixed them with the other smees running on that line.  There was a good chance that you'd get at least one pair on any given train.

It is a long way off in any case.

Option 2 will allow Broadway to get some NTTs, most likely r160's, due to ridership.

There is still a strong possibility that option 2 may consist of r211Ts. If that is the case, then it would make much more sense to have all open gangway trains go to the E/F because they are the most crowded lines in the B division.

On 11/5/2023 at 5:43 PM, FLX9304 said:

 yes

 testing on lines does not mean that the car is gonna see revenue service on that particular line. 
after what happened to the R46s on the Broadway line being vandalized a few weeks ago, they’re not putting newer cars until they see fit 

Broadway will have to wait until the r268's are in service to become 100% NTTs, not because of vandalism, but because Broadway is not getting CBTC in the foreseeable future.

Remember the r211's will run on lines that are currently running or will run of CBTC within the next 3-5 years.

31 minutes ago, ABOGbrooklyn said:

R211 on 4 Ave express would be amazing!

It will most likely happen if the D does get the r211's.

6 hours ago, MJHmarc said:

4130-4139 entered service 

I saw that train heading NB at 145 St 90 minutes ago.

2 hours ago, Ale188 said:

For...what reason? Cuz if they don't like them, they need to suck it up nd ride em

Exactly!! 

I just find it very pathetic that there are people in social media that are excited and practically celebrating because the r211's are removed from service.

I even saw someone on Facebook spreading the false rumor that the r32's are returning to service.

I just hope that these knuckleheads realize that the r211's will return to service (it's a matter of when) and that they will become the most reliable subway fleets just like the r179's.

24 minutes ago, ABOGbrooklyn said:

Once the R211s are fully I'm service. Wi there be enough R68s to cover N/Q/W lines?..

Yes, and it is possible that the NQW may get some r160's back once option 2 is delivered.

BTW the NYPD caught the teen that broke the windows on CI r46's. I just hope that the parents are held accountable as well. Where were they when their teen offspring was smashing windows on the trains??

1 hour ago, U-BahnNYC said:

Does anyone know if all R211 sets are running everyday, or are they starting to take 1 out as a "spare" as the R211 fleet grows?

I just want the R46s off the as soon as humanly possible.

Pitkins best performing r46's will go to CI. The worst performing r46's will be removed from service.

We would have to wait for the base order to be in service before official retirement of the r46's begin.

Let's not confuse "removed from service" with "retired".

A "retired" subway car means that the subway car is ready to go to the scrap yard. Keep in mind that there are still r32's that haven't been scrapped yet.

2 hours ago, Kamen Rider said:

Not necessarily…

 

This is all an unknown. We don’t exactly know what effect the pricing program will have on the city and on ridership and on ridership levels on certain lines or stations.

If we make changes immediately, we could make the wrong ones.

I agree only time will tell in regards to the real impact of congestion pricing in subway and bus ridership.

1 hour ago, R32 3838 said:

Again, Giving Jamaica 8 car R160's would create a bigger headache and would cost more money in the long term due to the fact it's a restricted fleet for one line. The yard barely have space as it is, Now you adding 8 car units to the mix. having it 10 cars would allow them to share cars with the and like it does now with it being 5 cars.

This would reduce spare factor and require less cars, If Jamaica gets R211s, this would make it even better when it comes to spare factor.

 

If the returned to Coney Island, That's a different story. They can handle an extra fleet since the yard is bigger and could store more trains. 

 

Wouldn't have to be a service reduction, it could run the same as now.

 

Back on topic, I think the R211T's should enter passenger service within the next 2 weeks.

 

I just hope that the MTA doesn't make the dumb mistake of putting both open gangway trains on lines that have low ridership. Otherwise, it would be a waste of money.

1 hour ago, R32 3838 said:

The shouldn't be 8 cars if it's still out of Jamaica Yard. It should be 10 cars for fleet flexibility. Making it 8 cars in Jamaica yard would create issues since the yard is already overcrowded with it's fleet. having a separate 8 car fleet would make it even more complicated.

 

The extra 8 car units should be used for a extension or a new eastern division line that would operate in south Brooklyn to cover for the loss of service.

The issue is that there are not enough 10 car trains to make both  the C and G 100% full length with 10 car trains and we can not continue to count on the r46's, especially with all the vandalism that has been happening, The r46's are in really bad shape and parts for the r46's are becoming scarce. A few r46's have been removed from service.

The C can't stay as 8 car trains or mixed length. The G can't stay as 5 car trains. The G getting 8 car trains can be a temporary solution until they are enough 10 car trains to make the G full length with 10 car trains.

This is why it is imperative that the MTA moves forward with option 2, which will allow both the C and G to become 100% full length with 10 car trains

1 hour ago, Ale188 said:

ENY most likely

I think they are talking about the 10 car r179's.

IMO they should go to the C once the C becomes 100% full length.

The Rockaway shuttle will get some r211's, regardless if the A does become 100% r211's or not.

1 hour ago, Ale188 said:

The softee was on the C doin Burn-ins. I'ma have to guess both Ts are goin in service at the same time.

 

I just hope that both open gangway trains go on lines that have huge ridership. If they go to the A, great, but if they go to the E or F, even better.

IMO, it would be a huge waste of money if the MTA decides to put both open gangway trains on the C or Rockaway shuttle, since both lines don't have the ridership that the E and F have. 

I rode the r211's yesterday, and you guys are right in terms of the announcement. It sounded really muffled and difficult to understand.

Other than that, it was a smooth and fast ride.

5 hours ago, U-BahnNYC said:

I think late 2024 is realistic. Even before then, the is likely to be all NTT and the will probably get the R46s as the final part of the base R211 order gets delivered.

I agree 100%.

2 hours ago, U-BahnNYC said:

Best case scenario we have 12-15 R211s in service by end of year? Would that mean the R46s start dropping off the by year's end?

Yes, Pitkin's r46's will either be sent to CI or simply be removed from service.

8 hours ago, Metro CSW said:

Train entered service since the 17th.

So there's still 6 r211's in service???

12 hours ago, Jemorie said:

Oh well. 🙄 The more people can get in and out of trains quicker, the better.

Exactly, this is why the r211's need to go on lines that have high ridership and are getting CBTC.

2 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

I get the parts issue but should have been more prepared. I'm going to get on their ass on everything since they are trying to brute force congestion pricing knowing they aren't ready due to the crew shortages and equipment shortages. They can't afford to have another car shortage because if they do again in the future even with available crews by then, it would be a big problem. It's better to be safe than sorry.

 

If congestion pricing wasn't being pushed so much, They could have been started retiring the R46s since option order I is already paid for which would not only retire the entire R46 fleet, but would also give NYCT a surplus of cars.

 

 

People including the workers gotta understand that is the biggest problem right now and their flaws are starting to show way more than in the past due to social media and etc. People are going to go ham esp when they are trying to force people to take mass transit because they always somehow run out of money while wasting it on useless shit at 2 broadway.

Let's not forget that we have a federal government, especially in Congress, who have a hard time understanding that driving is NOT for everyone and they refuse to invest in more public transportation.

Is there a US city that has better public transportation than the MTA??

As for the r211's, the MTA better purchase option order 2 if they really want to avoid big headaches in the long term.

5 minutes ago, ArchytectAnthony said:

Don't mind me dropping some quick Queenslink advocacy here but, those extra 8 car trains can certainly be used for that project lol. Even if its not enough R211 option order 2 with those 4 car sets can also help too.

That's ok. I support Queens link 100%. The MTA has the equipment plus the right of way to allow the M train to be extended to Rockaway Park.

The MTA can also probably modify the option 2 order of r211's to include more 8 car trains and perhaps include more 8 car trains in the r268 order.

54 minutes ago, FLX9304 said:

Fair weather foamers is what I call them. If They think the  is gonna put new techs on the  & , they got another thing coming. If they’re not paying attention, they better be now. Extra security is being place at ALL ,  &  stations for any person or persons of interest who dare to smash windows again. It’s $500 fine & 1 year in jail. And I don’t wanna hear NONE of their parents or legal guardians of that person saying that he or she was a good person. These NASD windows are very expensive. You want new subway cars? I’ll see you in a year! 

Those irresponsible parents need to be held accountable as well. Where were those parents when their teens are breaking subway windows or subway surfing??

I get it, people need to work. However, kids and teens need to be under adult supervision until they graduate from high school.

26 minutes ago, MJHmarc said:

Confirmed Pitkin has retired R46 - 6244 and 6246 for parts with the R211A’s coming into service 

Blame it on the knuckleheads who broke the windows on the r46's.

Don't be surprised if these idiots did these acts of vandalism to pressure the MTA to put NTTs on the NQW. Notice that AFAIK they only vandalized CI r46's.

I just hope that these vandals get caught and serve time in jail. 

Also, the MTA needs to exercise caution in regards to retiring the r46's. IMO the r46's should temporarily be stored as emergency fleet before being scrapped.

24 minutes ago, R32 3838 said:

8th ave CBTC is already delayed, They want it done by 2025 but it'll be done by 2026. The and can't be 100% tech by then because the Base order would be complete by then going into option I. This all takes time, The main goal is to make the and 100% tech or 100% R211's by 2025-26. All of the 10 car R179s are rumored to be pushed out to Jamaica to expand their CBTC fleet and the 8 car ones would probably end up at ENY.

 

The and can still get re-routed on 8th ave even with CBTC with R68s as long as the wayside signals aren't as far apart (for that time being) until the / becomes 100% tech.

Thanks for the clarification.

I just hope that option order 2 is exercised and I just hope that the MTA doesn't screw things up in regards to the number of r262's and r268's that need to be purchased.