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4 hours ago, BelieveinMe said:

Fantastic.

The MTA is pretty serious about at least getting a significant amount of new equipment in before the summer heat draws in.

Kawasaki is pushing the cars out, trying to catch up to the schedule they proposed for deliveries.

With close to 200 cars now in the system, there is still plenty of work to do.

I appreciate the hard work RTO does, the fans keeping track of delivery and train spotting.

You guys are the best.

I wouldn't be surprised if by the summer time the r46's run on the "A" and "C" trains only during rush hours and a good chunk of Pitkin's r46's are either displaced to CI or removed from service.

7 hours ago, Ale188 said:

4040, 4050

4045, 4055

4060, 4065

4070, 4115

4075, 4090

4080, 4085 (OOS but went into service in August)

4095, 4130

4100, 4125

4105, 4160

4110, 4120

4135, 4140

4145, 4169

4170, 4175

4190, 4195

Lines: 

130 or 140 depending on how you count it. I count 130.

13 (ten car) r211's plus 13 (ten car) r179's. That's 26 NTTs for the "A" train.

Correct?

I wonder how many r46's are still running on the "A" train (without counting the r46's that are still running on the C). 

Also, is "A" train still borrowing r68's from the "B" during PM rush hour?

16 hours ago, Kamen Rider said:

Rolling stock line assignments is the decision of the people in Car Equipment. They are their own separate division within the Department of Subways, separate from us in Service Delivery/RTO. Whatever justifications they might have or feel, they can upend the entire fleet on a whim and a moment’s notice, that is how much authority they have.

No one who works there actively posts here, so all you have is us “Master Controller Jocks” and “Button mashers” from RTO to try to explain people we often don’t get to talk to outside of when something has gone wrong. 

that being said, word on high still seems to suggest the two options in play are:

A: send the option R211s directly to the D and Concourse.

or

B: send the option R211s to Jamaica and have Concourse get R160s.

I understand. That's why I wasn't specific in regards to what NTTs the B/D will get.

All we know for a fact is that Concourse will lose the r68's due to CBTC on 8th and 6th Avenue.

Ridership is growing and having 8 car trains or mixed length trains on the C and 5 car trains on the G doesn't cut it. Right now, there is NOT enough equipment to make both the C and G full length, but that will change once all option orders are in service.

1 hour ago, darkstar8983 said:

The base order yes would suffice for the  since it is 44 trains for the  , which is what is normally required including spare factor. Remove 10 of those R211s and move them to the , along with the 8-car R179s and 2 R211T trains. Boom. The  are fully NTT. We’d have to wait for option 1 to see what happens to the R179s

Option 1 will make the C 100% full length with 10 car trains and may allow the G to get 8 car trains. If that happens, then the G may have to go back to CI. Option 1 will provide NTTs to the B/D.

Option 2 may allow the G to become full length with 10 car trains.

2 hours ago, FLX9304 said:

A fleet? That’s the IRT. You mean B fleet. 
but remember this: You also have R211Ts on the  as well. Pitkin will send the R46 cars to CI. The worst performing cars will go, while the best performing cars will be stored in case of emergency 

I'm referring to the A train, which currently has 13 r179's (10 car) plus 9 r211's, or 22 NTTs. The A train will most likely be dominated by NTTs by the end of the month if all continues to go well with the r211's, while the r46's becomes the minority of the A train.

4 hours ago, FLX9304 said:

50- a possible 100 cars. 4200-4300? That’s why they’re trying to get things done. 140 cars are in, with several in service and burn ins. 

If all continues to go well with the r211's, the r46's will become a minority of the A fleet by the end of this month.

Hopefully, the C can keep the r179's until option 1. I'm not crazy about the r46's running on the C.

Pitkin should send the r46's to CI or removed them from service (not retire them yet) once more r211's enter service.

28 minutes ago, Metro CSW said:

The Judge: "So you're case is that you want to MTA to remove the gangway components so you can kill yourself? Go back to school, kid. Case closed."

 

I wish these stupid teenagers had that type of audacity lol.

What is even more infuriating is that if God forbid something bad happens to these stupid teens, their parents will have the audacity to sue the MTA when in reality it's the parents fault for being irresponsible.

What are these parents doing, while their teens are subway surfing?

I just wish all r211's have the same components that prevent subway surfing.

7 minutes ago, Ale188 said:

Consist update (just consists, not specifically in service or not)

4060-69

4070-74; 4115-19

4075-79; 4105-09

4080-84; 4140-44

4095-99; 4130-34

4100-04; 4120-24

4105-09; 4135-39

4110-14; 4125-29

4140-44; 4160-64

4145-49; 4165-69

4150-54; 4170-74

4190-99

4085-89; TBD

4155-59; TBD

4175-79; TBD

R211T 4040-44; 4050-54

R211T 4045-49; 4055-59

R211S 100-104

And that's it

Awesome. How many r211As are currently in service?

2 hours ago, FLX9304 said:

It’s like I always say. Surfing on subways is an invitation to meet your permanent demise from this world 

And for irresponsible parents to sue the MTA if something bad happens to their teen subway surfers.

These irresponsible parents should be held accountable for failing to supervise their teens.

5 hours ago, Ale188 said:

This happened the day before or the day of when I went to NYC, but 2 teens were surfing on an 211T. Not very uncommon to see.

How? The C runs completely below ground.

The NYPD needs to harshly penalize these teens (and their parents) who are involved in vandalism and/or subway surfing.

23 hours ago, Bill from Maspeth said:

On Friday I rode on the R211T.  From a passenger perspective I like the train.  I rode northbound from Chambers St. to 168 and southbound 168 to Hoyt Schermerhorn.   It ran nice, except for the hard stops made at the overwhelming majority of stations!   I can live with all the new "bells and whistles".  But from the perspective of operation, I have big issues.

I am going by the rules of NYCT.  I don't want to hear about Toronto or systems in Europe that have similar open gangways, because I don't know their rules for train operation, nor do I know if they have automatic tripping devices which would activate due to an obstruction on the roadbed not seen by the train operator till it's too late.  All I know are the rules for operation at NYCT as per the procedures described below . 

In the case of a BIE, he is required to fully inspect the train from the roadbed if it re-charges.  Debris or a body, they would have struck the automatic tripping device or a stop arm coming up underneath the train before it cleared, or maybe even if no cause is found (this would mean a problem with the train which the t/o would not be able to diagnose).  In case of no clearance areas, the t/o must check in between the cars.  There-in is the problem as his only entrance to the roadbed with the R211T is out the front (or rear 600' away) door. So instead, he has to go into the car body (while getting peppered with harassing and cussing passengers and he has no time to explain the process) and open a side door to climb down.  But suppose there are bench walls in the way on both sides (or some other obstruction) as in an under river tube? Now he can't check underneath the car/from between cars.  Multiply that by several other cars.  Now he moves the train and it goes BIE again because he couldn't carefully check under the whole train.  This is what we're up against as the T/O, Control Center and right up the line as we get into the decision makers.  Also, looking in between the cars from inside a station, you can't get down in between cars because there are no steps, plus there is some piece of hardware protruding preventing one from even reaching the roadbed from the platform.  Of course, the same is true if the train goes BIE in between stations and the t/o is walking the bench wall, he still can't get down in between cars from that way either.

Just wait for the first 12-9 they have with these cars and the body is somewhere under the train and they can't find the body because it's SOMEWHERE!  Police and Fire Department will call NYCT on the carpet about these cars.  Enjoy them while you can, because sometime in 2024 they will be permanently relegated to the Rockaway Shuttle. 

Put that into your vaping pipes and smoke it! 

 

 

The MTA needs to install platform barriers (not like the ones on 191st, which is pure garbage) to prevent people and trash from getting on the tracks. This would allow open gangway trains to operate safely.

5 hours ago, S78 via Hylan said:

They already have R179s running on the  daily.

Bad idea.

AFAIK the Rockaway Park doesn't have higher ridership than the A. 

IMO the r179's and the r211's should only go to Rockaway Park during rush hours until a huge majority of the r46's are gone from the A.

3 hours ago, Ale188 said:

I'm guessing there was no R211 of the 

It's too soon to put r211's on the Rockaway Shuttle.

What's the point of putting NTTs on the Rockaway Shuttle, when the A is still dominated by the r46's?

I think that it's even too soon to put the r179's on the Rockaway Shuttle

Once the vast majority of the r46's leave the A, then the MTA can think of putting the r211's or r179's on the shuttle.

3 hours ago, subway guy said:

I want the 211T to have a successful trial. The MTA needs to see how things go in actual passenger operations to see where adjustments need to be made. So, cheers to the 211T, and I look forward to seeing and hearing about its service.

Let's not get excited.

The fact that the open gangway trains are only going to run on a subway line that doesn't have high ridership is a huge setback and defeats the purpose of having open gangway trains.

It is also an indication that moving forward the MTA will only stick to purchasing standard trains.

22 minutes ago, LGA Link N Train said:

The Bulliten did in fact, come out and they [The 211T's] will Operate on the , but I don't see what that has to do with them potentially not pursuing Gangways for Option 2. Especially when only 2 Corridors were identified at the moment where 211T's can not run Express. 

For all we know, this could be a similar situation to when the 160's weren't allowed in the Rockaways because of differences in power.

It will be a huge waste of money if both open gangway trains are placed on the C.

The C doesn't have the ridership that the A, E, and F trains have.

12 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

Here's the thing, Nobody is saying the R32s are coming back are wanting them to comeback. All i stated is that got too overconfident in the R211s thinking they'll work out of the box hence not needing the R32s anymore. On top of that ridership was low compared to now so it made sense to retire the R32s on paper since they wouldn't need them. It kinda backfired and now the R46s they wanted to retire or set aside in storage, they have to use them due to the issues with the R211s.

 

 

But it seems too many people don't read well and jump to conclusions and get very aggressive without understanding what people are saying. Nobody wants to sit here and wait 20-30 mins for a train because they have no equipment to run since they are short. There were days where they had the available crew and they had no equipment since they were short on the line. back in 2021-2022. We know the crew shortage is bad but having a shortage of equipment is even more bad. It's been going on for years and it's getting tiring.

 

It's weird that they have been very tight lipped when it comes to the R211s. But I'm not going to sit here and act like things are good when this damn agency wants to f**k with people lives because they can't budget right and want to do sneaky cuts while saying we want $15 from motorists because we suck at budgeting. 

 

2024 is going to be a shitshow and if they can't fix these issues by early next year, It's going to be a problem.

 

 

To add insult to injury, the r46's are getting vandalized and parts for the r46's are becoming scarce.

If the MTA doesn't get their act together, we may have a massive subway car shortage that will either lead to Service reduction or some lines running shorter trains, like it happened in the 80's and early 90's.

It may take a while before issues on the r211's are fixed.

27 minutes ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

No I won't be upset because I'm a sad loser that cares about running older trains. I'll be upset because no service is being provided at all.

Exactly, there are some people that just can't accept the fact that the r32's are mostly gone. There are even false rumors spreading on social media that the r32's are returning to service. 🤦

The important thing right now is to fix the issues on the r211's so that deliveries can continue.

8 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

Because they refuse to use the old cars.

If that was the case they would have retired all the r46's too. They are the oldest cars right now.

18 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you.

The R32's have single handily saved RTO multiple times since the R179's came onto property. The TA should have learned that scrapping cars early before all the replacements were in was a BAD idea. Let's not forget the R44 fiasco.

I do understand what your saying, I truly do, but keeping at least 50 ten car trains of R32's on strictly reserve status until all the R211's came in would make sure that passengers aren't getting affected from missing trains and longer headways. If the  wasn't suspended on QBL right now it would've been even worse with the car shortage.

They managed to run them with switching cabs for 50+ years. They can do it for another 9-10 months, or however long until all the R211's are delivered.

That was before the pandemic. Once COVID-19 hit, the r32's became a safety and health hazard for train crews, due to the fact that they have to be switching cars.

Do I need to remind you that it was the r160's that were used with the r46's when the r179's were massively pulled from service in the summer of 2020??

The r32's are retired and are not coming back. Deal with it.

As for the r211's they will be fixed and they will be back.

23 minutes ago, NBTA said:

The 32s are the saving grace for every subway car incident..

At this point, let’s find all the scrapped parts and rebuild all the 32s so we can have 60+ year old subway cars running on several subway lines. 

Hopefully the 211s come back stronger than before, can’t be having these issues.

Sarcasm. Lol!!!

14 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

Yes, actually. Had they not been so scrap happy with them, it would have saved the day. Again.

Really??

Who's going to operate them??

Do I need to remind you that train crews refuse to operate the r32's due to COVID??

Let's not forget that COVID still exists.

23 hours ago, Lex said:

Need I remind you that one of the problems the R179s faced was a link bar failure?

Fortunately, those issues were fixed and the r179's are currently the most reliable subway fleet in the system.

The same will happen with the r211's. 2 years from now, the r211's will be as reliable or even more reliable than the r179's.

3 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

This isn't on the though, It's an issue that is being currently corrected. It takes time to get these issues fixed. The only mistake made was getting scrap happy with the R32s, Now all the R46s have to be used because of this issue and 2-3 sets were vandalized causing the to run with reduced train due to a lack of spares, even the extra R160s are no help since the has to use those R46 spares as well due to them only being like 2-4 sets of R2111s available for service.

 

Everything with the R211s are pushed back while they troubleshoot this issue.

There's no point of keeping the r32's any longer when train crews won't operate them due to COVID, which still exists.

1 hour ago, R32 3838 said:

This isn't on the though, It's an issue that is being currently corrected. It takes time to get these issues fixed. The only mistake made was getting scrap happy with the R32s, Now all the R46s have to be used because of this issue and 2-3 sets were vandalized causing the to run with reduced train due to a lack of spares, even the extra R160s are no help since the has to use those R46 spares as well due to them only being like 2-4 sets of R2111s available for service.

 

Everything with the R211s are pushed back while they troubleshoot this issue.

At least the r32's weren't vandalized prior to retirement. Lol!!!

As for the r46's, I just don't know if it's "railfans" that hate the r46's that are causing these acts of vandalism or if these vandalic acts are caused by teens that have irresponsible parents.

Either way, the MTA and NYPD need to impose heavy fines or jail time to those who are vandalizing trains and buses.

Remember, if it's easy for a crazy teen to vandalize a train, then it will also be easy for a terrorist to put a bomb on a train. Safety first. 

16 hours ago, SubBus said:

It was supposed to start last month, but obviously that didn't happen.....

As far as the reasoning, I don't know...

The MTA is never on schedule in regards to overall subway improvements.

It seems that the gearbox issues are more serious than the issues that affected the r179's during 2019-2020.

As a result, the r211's are obviously behind schedule in regards to delivery, testing and placement in service.