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    Bay Ridge area politicians call for split R train

    in New York City Subway

    Posted

    1 hour ago, R32s said:

    Just an opinion, don't go shooting arrows at me (just kidding of course) but:

    I personally never really considered a Nassau Street Line running via 4th Avenue again because before 2010, (brownM) ridership along West End and 4th Avenue was very minimal. However considering how most Brooklyn (R) riders transfer to the (B)(D)(N)(Q) & IRT lines between DeKalb Avenue and 59th Street, it sort of seems like the most practical option.

    Possible Option:

    • (J)(Z): Jamaica Center <> Bay Ridge-95 St via Jamaica Skip-Stop Express/Nassau Street-4th Avenue Local, Rush Hours. Other times, (J) Jamaica Center <> Bay Ridge-95th Street via Jamaica-Nassau Street-4th Avenue Local.

     

    • Pros: 
    1. Due to minimal interlining (only interlining with the (M) at Essex Street and Myrtle Avenue-Broadway versus the (R) interlining with the (M) at Queens Plaza, (N)(W) at the 60th Street Tube, (N) at 34th Street-Herald Square, (W) at Whitehall Street and more recently (D) at 36th Street after 7PM due to Work Train assembly and (N) at 59th & 36th Streets due to construction that causes the (N) to stop at 45th & 53rd Street) delays and horrendous service gaps of 15 minutes+ would be reduced.
    2. Direct South Brooklyn & Nassau Street service would be restored.
    3. Direct South Brooklyn <> North Brooklyn service (believe it or not, I know many people including myself that would highly benefit from this).
    4.  Nassau Street and Lower Manhattan Broadway stations are very close in proximity, minimal impact to Lower Manhattan riders.
    5. Direct access to major hubs such as the Fulton Street Transit Center, City Hall & more Chinatown access. 
    6. If the few Brooklyn Heights/DUMBO riders really rely on Broadway Service, a transfer would be available at DeKalb Avenue or Canal Street to Broadway Services.
    7. Bay Ridge and 4th Avenue riders would finally ride on newer upgraded fleet, a step up from, the dingy R46's.
    • Cons:
    1. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe as a terminal, Bay Ridge-95th Street can only turn around so many trains an hour (I think the number is around 10). The (J)(Z) combined run a total 12 trains an hour (a frequency of 5 minutes). If 10 trains per hour is the maximum capacity that Bay Ridge-95th Street can turn around, 2 (J) and/or (Z) trips would have to be short turned at Broad Street, causing a slight gap in Rush Hour Service in Southern Brooklyn.
    2. If the short turn option is a no-go, then the (J)(Z) would have to be reduced to a combined 10 trains per hour (a frequency of 6 minutes) which doesn't seem bad at first glance, but riders along the Jamaica Line would experience 12 minute frequencies (average 6 minute wait times) at Skip-Stop Stations. I don't think Jamaica riders would be too enthusiastic about that. However I believe it can be done because if you recall the (J)(Z) was in fact going to be reduced to 10 trains per hour as apart of the 14 Street Tube Shutdown Plan to make room for beefed up (M) service.
    3. The (J)(Z) would deal with more interlining due to all temporary construction along 4th Avenue, may cause delays to ripple along the entire Jamaica-Nassau Line.
    4. May ironically turn into another long Local Queens through Brooklyn line where a delay in Queens may cause delays to ripple all the way to Bay Ridge, thus solving nothing.
    • (R): Forest Hills-71 Avenue <> Whitehall Street, all times except Late Nights (see (N)).
    • Pros: 
    1. Less Interlining = more reliable service.
    2. Short, Sweet and to the point Local line connecting Queens and Manhattan.
    • Cons:
    1. May have to short turn trips at Canal Street during Peak-Hours if Whitehall can't handle the 7.5 trains per hour (frequency of 8 minutes) that the (R) currently runs during Rush Hours. (May not be an issue considering the (W) runs a single train per hour less.)
    2. Reduced service south of Canal Street (back to post-2010 through pre-2016 frequencies) with only the (R) serving lower Manhattan.

     

    • (N): Astoria-Ditmars Blvd <> Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue via Broadway Local/4th Avenue Express, all times except Late Nights. Late Nights, (N) Astoria-Ditmars Blvd <> Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue via Whitehall Street to compensate for loss of late night service south of Canal Street (unless Late Night Queens through Manhattan (R) service could be considered). Peak Service would have to be beefed up from 7.5 trains per hour (frequency of 8 minutes) to about 12 trains per hour (frequency of 6 minutes) to compensate for the loss of the (W).
    • Pros: 
    1. Extra (N) service along the route, especially for Sea Beach Riders.
    • Cons:
    1. May need to Short-Turn trains at Kings Highway or 86th Street-Gravesend during Peak Hours (not a huge deal in my opinion) due to beefed up service.
    2. Beefed headways can cause more congestion on the Manhattan Bridge and Merge from the Express to the Local tracks along Broadway, delaying (Q) service.
    3. Absorption of the (W) would upset the many lovers of the line (including I).

     

    • (W): Retired, much to my dismay, but if the MTA comply's with Bay Ridge's demands, I feel there is just no room for the (W) in this scenario.

     

    In conclusion, there is no perfect way to solve the unpredictable service along the 4th Avenue Line. Chances are, the best service pattern for the aforementioned riders... is the one we currently have now!

    It remains a very damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. It is very possible that there is no perfect solution with the way the subway system was built over a century ago. There just isn't enough time or money to reconfigure the subway system to meet 2019's demands. 

    Thats just my 2 cents, I don't feel that the (MTA) is going to rearrange service, it is probably fine left just the way it is, even though it is pretty crappy. It's the best that can be done.

    Very well written!

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    The Official PATH thread

    in Other Transit Systems

    Posted

    11 hours ago, ibroketheprinter said:

    I thought I heard somewhere that SmartTrip is being phased out. Does anyone have any info on whether this is true or not?

    MetroCard will be phased out. The new system will be OMNY.

    I am not sure about the PATH Smart Link card.

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    MyMTA App / new.mta.info Site - Observations

    in New York City Subway

    Posted

    22 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

    They still haven't fixed the map issue on the app, and so many people have complained about how the approach time for the trains is set up. It should be:

    (7) Willets Pt - 2 Min

    Not

    (7) Willets Pt - 1:14 PM

    It works for Railroad but not for the subway.

    I, too, have an issue with the maps on the app. They will not come up. I am using the MyTransit subway and bus maps.

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    Bay Ridge area politicians call for split R train

    in New York City Subway

    Posted

    13 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

    What was the service pattern during the Mountague closure?

    @Lawrence St During the Montague Street Tunnel closure, the (R) train ran in two sections on weekdays - Forest Hills to Whitehall Street and Bay Ridge to Court Street. Trains ran every 7-1/2 minutes. Weekends thr (R) train was detoured over the Manny B.

    Story; https://www-nydailynews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/mta-major-cuts-train-service-article-1.1363901?amp_js_v=a2&amp;amp_gsa=1&amp;outputType=amp&amp;usqp=mq331AQCCAE%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp;amp_tf=From %1%24s&amp;ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nydailynews.com%2Fnew-york%2Fbrooklyn%2Fmta-major-cuts-train-service-article-1.1363901%3FoutputType%3Damp%23referrer%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%26amp_tf%3DFrom%20%251%24s%26ampshare%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.nydailynews.com%2Fnew-york%2Fbrooklyn%2Fmta-major-cuts-train-service-article-1.1363901

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    MyMTA App / new.mta.info Site - Observations

    in New York City Subway

    Posted · Edited by Q Broadway Express

    1 hour ago, ABOGbrooklyn said:

    Starting this thread to talk about issues and updates about the MyMTA app, especially since I'm always having issues with the app on my android phone.

    Hope this is the appropriate place to add this sub-thread.

    I like the MyMTA app but I can not seem to bring up the subway and bus maps to see if I can zoom them.

    The individual subway route line maps are fine with the exception of the subway route bullets being too small for my finger.

    I wish the bullets were at least this size -> (A)(1)(J)

    Actually maybe just a tad larger.

    Otherwise I think it is a fine app. I am using the MyTransit subway and bus maps on my smartphone. Also using the MTA Subway and Bus Time apps on my smartphone.

     

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