Amiri the subway guy

Sorry if I raged too hard I just wanted to make a point

And just leave the R and W trains the way it is they no reason to make that unnecessary change.

Seriously eliminating the D train just to make the B train 24/7 is an AWFUL IDEA DO YOU KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THE D TRAIN IS THE B TRAIN WOULD HAVE TO RUN EXPRESS AND LOCAL SCREWING UP SERVICE IN THE BRONX Williamburg uses the M train to get to midtown. ELIMINATING THAT TRAIN IS ALSO IDIOTIC IDEA. Demolishing West end……. No……. NO NO NO NO JUST NO HELL NO!!!!!!!!! WHY?! JUST WHY!?!? WHY ARE YOU DEMOLISHING THE WEST END LINE AND MAKING IT A SHUTTLE TO 62ND ST?! YOU ARE SCREWING PEOPLE THAT RIDE ON WEST END Have you even taken West End before? Do you know how many REROUTES WERE ON THAT LINE. LITERALLY EVERY SOUTH BROOKLYN HAS BEEN REROUTED THERE AT LEAST ONCE. B F M N Q R AND W TRAINS HELL EVEN THE J TRAIN. With its recent history. It’s BY FAR THE MOST IMPORTANT LINE IN SOUTH BROOKLYN

I know this is a year old but WHAT DRUG WERE YOU ON MAKING THIS

I seem a proposal from a user called MottAveFarRockway. And I would just said that the proposals they made. WERE BEYOND STUPID.

Here another way Modified the 2nd Avenue plan and have a 2nd Ave express line run via south 3rd street and cypress avenue in Williamsburg. The train would be called the K train. And expand BMT to 10 cars

The tragic tale of the BMT Eastern Division J/Z is basically the black sheep AKA the most neglected train line of the MTA (and you thought the G train was neglected) It might sound nuts to New Yorkers who ride the J train more out of necessity than for fun, . But the mostly elevated, century-old right-of-way affords unrivaled views and reaches under-appreciated but compelling destinations. It rubs shoulders with the “real” New York over more miles than any of its more honored rivals. J/Z is one of the least appreciated. It has no speedy sections like the stations-skipping A in Manhattan or the D in The Bronx. It lacks the newness of the No. 7 Hudson Yards extension or the Second Avenue Q. It’s no hipster hangout like the L through Williamsburg. Williamburg is changing and the Jamaica line is struggling to adapt. The MTA have done a crappy job of modernizing it. They made a bunch of minor improvement which although help they weren’t enough. HECK the M train getting rerouted to 6th ave which is a great alternative to the L train EVEN that wasn’t because of a ACTUAL PLANNED improvement but because of budget cuts it was needed to serve as a replacement for the V train that got eliminated in 2010 The Jamaica line is the oldest And yet, it gets no respect. The MTA has left the J out of a proposed $37 billion signal upgrade. WTF why is the J/Z getting excluded from the CBTC plan. The agency said it must “prioritize” — and the 190,000 daily riders of the J and its skip stop cousin, the Z, are the fewest of any major line in the system. To me the J/Z trains are like neglected children that aren’t taken proper care of the G train is like an abused child that often a punching bag for the MTA And the 7 L and to a lesser extent the A/C trains are like spoiled children that gets all of the luxury. The Jamaica line is over 100 years old maybe it should be added with a third track or rebuild it with 3 or maybe even 4 tracks. The Entire BMT Eastern Division gets little if any respect from the MTA the L train was the first to get CBTC mainly cause it runs alone. Dont even want make real improvements to the J/Z train (no this does not include the R160s and R179s order cause they only got those trains cause the R32s and R42s were too old) They only made improvements to the M train cause they were FORCED TO (budget cuts and L train shutdown which later got downgraded into a half assed reconstruction project). The BMT eastern division deserves so much more than this.

Nice plan how many tracks would your proposed 3rd Avenue line have. And would it be elevated. Where would it turn to 3rd Avenue from Webster Avenue

How to make mta maps anyone knows.

For the 3rd Avenue line their actually multiple scenarios we could restore it Proposal A: Adding infill stations on Metro North between Fordham and 149th st. This is possibly the cheapest and arguably the most realistic 138th St, 149th St, 169th St, Claremont Parkway, and 183rd St would be added and the Metro North Fare would be the same as the subway line. But this would slow down metro north service and the metro north doesn’t even stop at all of the stations so maybe not the best pick Proposal B: The most popular proposal is to build it underground where either the Q or T train would run up to Fordham Plaza. It would be 3 tracks for peak way direction for either. And this could be build elevated to be cheaper but you know the NIMBYs resistance will be strong so underground is less controversial Proposal 😄 The Fantasy gore edition. The 3rd Avenue would be rebuilt with 4 tracks for local-express service. It would run up to Gun Hill Road. The T train would full time local and the V train would be the weekday express. This would allow for maximum capacity but 4 tracks is overkill so 3 tracks would likely be good enough

For culver admittedly converted the entire el to 4 tracks seem a bit overkill you are right the V train could run local while the F train runs express seeing how the F train runs much longer

To be honest I didn’t even know what to do with that thread so I decided to just abandon it instead

The MTA Salvation Program I made this program that will improve reliability on service The 2nd Avenue line plan The connection to Bronx, so for the Bronx connection build a new 4 track line across 3rd Avenue and Webster Avenue a very hugely populated place in the Bronx. This would be used for the T and V trains. The T train would be local 24/7 and the V train would be express operating weekdays only the express would than lower in 143rd st. The tunnel to Manhattan would be split like this The upper local level would go to Manhattan via Lincoln Avenue and the lower express level would go to Manhattan vis a tunnel underneath the 3rd Avenue bridge How to build express tracks Well with phase 1 build the way it is the express tracks would need to be build underneath but here’s a bonus way we can do this first build the express tracks with connections to 125th street the V train would be the express, Again weekdays only since there won’t really a demand for full time express in East Harlem. It would skip 116th 106th 96th and 86th streets and it would then head down to 2nd Avenue at 81st street than 72nd street would be build with connections to the lower level Yes 72nd street would be an express stop. You can said I’m proposing to make 2nd Avenue The east side version of Central Park west. For phase 2 the Q train would branch out running down via a 125th street crosstown line where it would continue to Broadway 125th street. And the Q and T could be swap depending on train length and/or demand. Now for queens so I propose creating a new 2nd Avenue line the K train. This new queens line would serve Queens blvd which would reduce crowding on the Lexington Avenue stations 59th street and 51st street. The K train would then run down a new tunnel down 62nd street than connecting to the lower level express tracks of 2nd Avenue line. Reasons for it would allow for the K train to run at full capacity. Also 60th street tunnel would have connections to the upper local level of 2nd Avenue line reasons it would allow for an emergency reroute of a Broadway line and for the reroute of the W train via 2nd Avenue Local if ridership demands it. Now at 57th street the express rise up and 2nd Avenue would look like the traditional 4 track lines. So the K V is Express and the T is Local. So the K and V would skip 48th 34th 23rd 8th and Houston streets Now you may be wondering what to do for Brooklyn instead of reworking all of Chrystie street (that does I said earlier that does far more harm than good) On Grand Street the K train would head down to a new line via a new tunnel in Williamsburg running down grand street Morgan Avenue and Wilson Avenue This new Williamsburg Bushwick would reduce crowding on the L and M trains Grand Street would converted into a 4 tracks station the outer would be connected to the 2nd Avenue line that way the B D and Q trains could be rerouted to 2nd Avenue line in emergencies or G.O is needed The V train would be connected to the Culver line along side the F and G train. The V train would be the Express train while the F and G trains remain local. It would run up to church ave. And if the demand is high enough culver from 18th Avenue and kings Highway would be converted to 4 tracks to allow for a reliable express service on culver line. And the phase 4 would be build and it would have provisions for a new tunnel running down to Fulton street where the T train could be extended to Euclid Avenue maybe Hanover Square could have 4 tracks with the center tracks use for terminating trains and the outer tracks used to continuing to Brooklyn. This could allow for rerouted trains to run to Brooklyn without causing major delays T train run between White Plains Rd Gun Hill Rd Bronx and Hanover Square Manhattan 3rd Avenue Local 2nd Avenue Local V train run between Wiallimsbrigde 210th st Bronx and Kings Highway Brooklyn 3rd Avenue Express 2nd Avenue Express Culver K train run between Whitestone Expressway 112 st Queens and Wilson Avenue Brooklyn Northern Blvd Local 2nd Avenue Express Williamburg local local The Bronx plan The D train would be extended to Co op city stopping at Burke Avenue White Plains Road Boston Road Seymour Avenue and Co op City The 6 train would be extended to Co op City going straight to co op city co op City is showed to Ned better transit and 6/D train extension over there would help out a lot of people in the long term The 3rd Avenue line as I stated earlier would be rebuild with 4 tracks and run up to Gun Hill Road to maximize capacity. But then again 3 tracks and up to Fordham Road might be enough and we could probably sent one of the 2nd Avenue lines elsewhere in the Bronx. Manhattan is fine the way it is. But the 3 train should be extended to 168 street Highland Park The Queens plan Extend the Astoria line to LaGuardia Airport the LaGuardia Airport is in desperate need of a subway line Build a New Northern Blvd Line this line would run up to Whitestone reducing crowding on the 7 train Reroute the R train to Astoria reroute the W train to Queens Blvd reroute the M and N trains to the new Northern Blvd line this would increase service in Manhattan The Rockway branch would also be reactivated and the G train would be extended there reason? It’s the only line that would have acces to a yard. Rockway Branch would had a system wide benefit Jon transit the N and M would be rerouted via 63rd street tunnel freeing up the F train to be rerouted back to 53rd street tunnel. The E train would be extended to Laurelton Springfield Blvd The F train would be extended to Queens Village Springfield The J/Z would be extended to Hollis 190 street An F train extension would greatly reduce traffic on hillside E and J/Z extension would also serve transit Deserts in queens The Brooklyn Plan The Culver would be converted to 4 tracks as stated earlier. Deinterlining should be for Dekalb Avenue Brighton Line N local to Coney Island Q express to Brighton Beach 4th Avenue line D express to Bay Ridge ( express Dekalb ave-36th st local south of 36th Street) B express to Coney Island via Sea Beach R local to Coney Island via West End Fulton Street line Now for phase 4 First connect 2nd Ave phase 4 or connect the 2nd Ave to Nassau broad st line to the montague st tunnel than relocate the transit museum somewhere else with the 2nd ave line build with a connection to the Fulton st line have the T train would than take over local service for the C train and run to Euclid Avenue and this frees up the C train to be moved to the express tracks along side the A train this which would also allow C trains to be extended to Lefferts blvd without creating YET ANOTHER interlocking issue that way all A train would can be diverted to the Rockways. The 2/5 trains would be extended to Kings Highway The 4 train would be extended to run down Utica Avenue Flatlands Avenue For BMT Eastern Division Well here’s how to improve BMT Eastern Division, let’s start with the L train since that route NEEDS THE TRAIN CAR EXPANSION THE MOST. So we should start off with the elevated stations since it would be easier. Then we can move on to underground sections. Now let’s move on to the myrte ave and Jamaica lines. The M train will be lengthen first Since the M train has a higher ridership runs via 6th ave and queens blvd it would be a MUCH HIGHER PRIORITY to lengthen it to 10 cars last but not least we would lengthen the J/Z trains to 10 cars. We would finish off with the lower Manhattan part. Oh and Marcy ave would be covered into an island station and since Lorimer st and hewes st are way too close to each other I believe we should abandon them entirely and build one new station at Union ave with a connection to the G train. And Norwood ave and Cleveland st should also be close and replace by a new station at Shepherd ave. Next to eliminate the bottleneck problem at myrte ave building a new flying junction between the Flushing Av station and Myrtle Ave station. The current local tracks would be moved outward so that two new tracks can be added between. These two new tracks would connect to both the local and express tracks. As they approach Myrtle Ave the new tracks would rise up and a new upper level station would be built over the existing Myrtle Ave station, though slightly to the west. I propose having myrte ave converted into a duel level station. Oh and another proposal I have in mind is building a third track for peak way express service so the J train would make all stops and the Z train would be converted into a Peak way express service. I was going to eliminate the Z train entirely and replace it with <J> service but I figured Z would be even better since it would reduce confusion the express track would be build between 121 st and crescent st. And we must also expand the Train yards of each BMT eastern division lines. I don’t know how much people would benefit but by looking at vanshnookenraggen Twitter post here the estimate L train 8 cars: 46,656 L train 10 cars: 58,320 M train 8 cars: 17,496 M train 10 cars: 24,300 J/Z train 8 cars: 21,384 J/Z train 10 cars: 36,450 For the rolling stock Complete the R211 order and start the R262 order. And upgrade the R142s R142As R143s R160s R179s and R188s as well. They will be needed to replace the R44s R46s R62s R62As R68s and R68As (Sorry railfans and formers but it’s a necessary evil in order to improve realible and modernize the subway system). and that is the MTA Salvation plan

The MTA Salvation Program I made this program that will improve reliability on service The 2nd Avenue line plan The connection to Bronx, so for the Bronx connection build a new 4 track line across 3rd Avenue and Webster Avenue a very hugely populated place in the Bronx. This would be used for the T and V trains. The T train would be local 24/7 and the V train would be express operating weekdays only the express would than lower in 143rd st. The tunnel to Manhattan would be split like this The upper local level would go to Manhattan via Lincoln Avenue and the lower express level would go to Manhattan vis a tunnel underneath the 3rd Avenue bridge How to build express tracks Well with phase 1 build the way it is the express tracks would need to be build underneath but here’s a bonus way we can do this first build the express tracks with connections to 125th street the V train would be the express, Again weekdays only since there won’t really a demand for full time express in East Harlem. It would skip 116th 106th 96th and 86th streets and it would then head down to 2nd Avenue at 81st street than 72nd street would be build with connections to the lower level Yes 72nd street would be an express stop. You can said I’m proposing to make 2nd Avenue The east side version of Central Park west. For phase 2 the Q train would branch out running down via a 125th street crosstown line where it would continue to Broadway 125th street. And the Q and T could be swap depending on train length and/or demand. Now for queens so I propose creating a new 2nd Avenue line the K train. This new queens line would serve Queens blvd which would reduce crowding on the Lexington Avenue stations 59th street and 51st street. The K train would then run down a new tunnel down 62nd street than connecting to the lower level express tracks of 2nd Avenue line. Reasons for it would allow for the K train to run at full capacity. Also 60th street tunnel would have connections to the upper local level of 2nd Avenue line reasons it would allow for an emergency reroute of a Broadway line and for the reroute of the W train via 2nd Avenue Local if ridership demands it. Now at 57th street the express rise up and 2nd Avenue would look like the traditional 4 track lines. So the K V is Express and the T is Local. So the K and V would skip 48th 34th 23rd 8th and Houston streets Now you may be wondering what to do for Brooklyn instead of reworking all of Chrystie street (that does I said earlier that does far more harm than good) On Grand Street the K train would head down to a new line via a new tunnel in Williamsburg running down grand street Morgan Avenue and Wilson Avenue This new Williamsburg Bushwick would reduce crowding on the L and M trains Grand Street would converted into a 4 tracks station the outer would be connected to the 2nd Avenue line that way the B D and Q trains could be rerouted to 2nd Avenue line in emergencies or G.O is needed The V train would be connected to the Culver line along side the F and G train. The V train would be the Express train while the F and G trains remain local. It would run up to church ave. And if the demand is high enough culver from 18th Avenue and kings Highway would be converted to 4 tracks to allow for a reliable express service on culver line. And the phase 4 would be build and it would have provisions for a new tunnel running down to Fulton street where the T train could be extended to Euclid Avenue maybe Hanover Square could have 4 tracks with the center tracks use for terminating trains and the outer tracks used to continuing to Brooklyn. This could allow for rerouted trains to run to Brooklyn without causing major delays T train run between White Plains Rd Gun Hill Rd Bronx and Hanover Square Manhattan 3rd Avenue Local 2nd Avenue Local V train run between Wiallimsbrigde 210th st Bronx and Kings Highway Brooklyn 3rd Avenue Express 2nd Avenue Express Culver K train run between Whitestone Expressway 112 st Queens and Wilson Avenue Brooklyn Northern Blvd Local 2nd Avenue Express Williamburg local local The Bronx plan The D train would be extended to Co op city stopping at Burke Avenue White Plains Road Boston Road Seymour Avenue and Co op City The 6 train would be extended to Co op City going straight to co op city The 3rd Avenue line as I stated earlier would be rebuild with 4 tracks and run up to Gun Hill Road to maximize capacity. But then again 3 tracks and up to Fordham Road might be enough and we could probably sent one of the 2nd Avenue lines elsewhere in the Bronx. Manhattan is fine the way it is. But the 3 train should be extended to 168 street Highland Park The Queens plan Extend the Astoria line to LaGuardia Airport Build a New Northern Blvd Line Reroute the R train to Astoria reroute the W train to Queens Blvd reroute the M and N trains to the new Northern Blvd line The Rockway branch would also be reactivated and the G train would be extended there reason? It’s the only line that would have acces to a yard. the N and M would be rerouted via 63rd street tunnel freeing up the F train to be rerouted back to 53rd street tunnel. The E train would be extended to Laurelton Springfield Blvd The F train would be extended to Queens Village Springfield The J/Z would be extended to Hollis 190 street The Brooklyn Plan The Culver would be converted to 4 tracks as stated earlier. Deinterlining Brighton Line N local to Coney Island Q express to Brighton Beach 4th Avenue line D express to Bay Ridge ( express Dekalb ave-36th st local south of 36th Street) B express to Coney Island via Sea Beach R local to Coney Island via West End Fulton Street line Now for phase 4 First connect 2nd Ave phase 4 or connect the 2nd Ave to Nassau broad st line to the montague st tunnel than relocate the transit museum somewhere else with the 2nd ave line build with a connection to the Fulton st line have the T train would than take over local service for the C train and run to Euclid Avenue and this frees up the C train to be moved to the express tracks along side the A train this which would also allow C trains to be extended to Lefferts blvd without creating YET ANOTHER interlocking issue that way all A train would can be diverted to the Rockways. The 2/5 trains would be extended to Kings Highway The 4 train would be extended to run down Utica Avenue Flatlands Avenue For BMT Eastern Division Well here’s how to improve BMT Eastern Division, let’s start with the L train since that route NEEDS THE TRAIN CAR EXPANSION THE MOST. So we should start off with the elevated stations since it would be easier. Then we can move on to underground sections. Now let’s move on to the myrte ave and Jamaica lines. The M train will be lengthen first Since the M train has a higher ridership runs via 6th ave and queens blvd it would be a MUCH HIGHER PRIORITY to lengthen it to 10 cars last but not least we would lengthen the J/Z trains to 10 cars. We would finish off with the lower Manhattan part. Oh and Marcy ave would be covered into an island station and since Lorimer st and hewes st are way too close to each other I believe we should abandon them entirely and build one new station at Union ave with a connection to the G train. And Norwood ave and Cleveland st should also be close and replace by a new station at Shepherd ave. Next to eliminate the bottleneck problem at myrte ave building a new flying junction between the Flushing Av station and Myrtle Ave station. The current local tracks would be moved outward so that two new tracks can be added between. These two new tracks would connect to both the local and express tracks. As they approach Myrtle Ave the new tracks would rise up and a new upper level station would be built over the existing Myrtle Ave station, though slightly to the west. I propose having myrte ave converted into a duel level station. Oh and another proposal I have in mind is building a third track for peak way express service so the J train would make all stops and the Z train would be converted into a Peak way express service. I was going to eliminate the Z train entirely and replace it with <J> service but I figured Z would be even better since it would reduce confusion the express track would be build between 121 st and crescent st. And we must also expand the Train yards of each BMT eastern division lines. I don’t know how much people would benefit but by looking at vanshnookenraggen Twitter post here the estimate L train 8 cars: 46,656 L train 10 cars: 58,320 M train 8 cars: 17,496 M train 10 cars: 24,300 J/Z train 8 cars: 21,384 J/Z train 10 cars: 36,450 For the rolling stock Complete the R211 order and start the R262 order. And upgrade the R142s R142As R143s R160s R179s and R188s as well. They will be needed to replace the R44s R46s R62s R62As R68s and R68As (Sorry railfans and formers but it’s a necessary evil in order to improve realible and modernize the subway system). and that is the MTA Salvation plan

Hello I have created a topic about how to expand the MTA system stay tuned

could 3rd Ave be underground

I just leave this here https://metrodreamin.com/view/ejJSdkwzOHltdVZjWldyVjBLY05WQ1BJMW9qMXww

I have made my map of my 2nd Avenue line proposal Here’s a link to the map I made https://metrodreamin.com/view/ejJSdkwzOHltdVZjWldyVjBLY05WQ1BJMW9qMXww Service patterns Local Express operates 24/7 operates weekdays only. Weekends and Late Nights use the and instead T train run between White Plains Rd Gun Hill Rd Bronx and Hanover Square Manhattan 3rd Avenue Local 2nd Avenue Local V train run between Wiallimsbrigde 210th st Bronx and Kings Highway Brooklyn 3rd Avenue Express 2nd Avenue Express Culver K train run between Whitestone Expressway 112 st Queens and Wilson Avenue Brooklyn Northern Blvd Local 2nd Avenue Express Williamburg local local what do you think

Here’s a link to the map I made https://metrodreamin.com/view/ejJSdkwzOHltdVZjWldyVjBLY05WQ1BJMW9qMXww

I have perfected my 2nd Avenue plan here’s my master plan So as we all know when phase 3 and 4 is open the T train will run all the way down to Hanover Square. But the problem with the 2nd Avenue line is the lack of express tracks, the lack of connections to other boroughs, and the fact that doesn’t have anywhere to be rerouted in case of emergencies. I feel when phase 2 opens the MTA will need to redraw the phase 3 and 4 (example connections to The Bronx Queens and Brooklyn and express tracks) Here some proposals I list The connection to Bronx, so for the Bronx connection build a new 4 track line across 3rd Avenue and Webster Avenue a very hugely populated place in the Bronx. This would be used for the T and V trains. The T train would be local 24/7 and the V train would be express operating weekdays only the express would than lower in 143rd st. The tunnel to Manhattan would be split like this The upper local level would go to Manhattan via Lincoln Avenue and the lower express level would go to Manhattan vis a tunnel underneath the 3rd Avenue bridge How to build express tracks Well with phase 1 build the way it is the express tracks would need to be build underneath but here’s a bonus way we can do this first build the express tracks with connections to 125th street the V train would be the express, Again weekdays only since there won’t really a demand for full time express in East Harlem. It would skip 116th 106th 96th and 86th streets and it would then head down to 2nd Avenue at 81st street than 72nd street would be build with connections to the lower level Yes 72nd street would be an express stop. You can said I’m proposing to make 2nd Avenue The east side version of Central Park west. For phase 2 the Q train would branch out running down via a 125th street crosstown line where it would continue to Broadway 125th street. And the Q and T could be swap depending on train length and/or demand. Now for queens so I propose building a new Northern Blvd line and creating a new 2nd Avenue line the K train.This new queens line would serve northern blvd which would reduce crowding on the 7 train. The northern blvd would be stop at 21st street queensbridge transferring to the F train and than the K train would run down a new tunnel down 62nd street than connecting to the lower level express tracks of 2nd Avenue line. Reasons for it connected to 21st street it would allow for the K train to be rerouted in case of emergencies switch places with one of the queens blvd lines if ridership demands it. Also 60th street tunnel would have connections to the upper local level of 2nd Avenue line reasons it would allow for an emergency reroute of a Broadway line and for the reroute of the W train via 2nd Avenue Local if ridership demands it. Now at 57th street the express rise up and 2nd Avenue would look like the traditional 4 track lines. So the K V is Express and the T is Local. So the K and V would skip 48th 34th 23rd 8th and Houston streets Now you may be wondering what to do for Brooklyn instead of reworking all of Chrystie street (cause as I said earlier that does far more harm than good) On Grand Street the K train would head down to a new line via a new tunnel in Williamsburg running down grand street Morgan Avenue and Wilson Avenue This new Williamsburg Bushwick would reduce crowding on the L and M trains The V train would be connected to the Culver line along side the F and G train. The V train would be the Express train while the F and G trains remain local. It would run up to church ave. And if the demand is high enough culver from 18th Avenue and kings Highway would be converted to 4 tracks to allow for a reliable express service on culver line. And the phase 4 would be build and it would have provisions for a new tunnel running down to Fulton street where the T train could be extended to Euclid Avenue maybe Hanover Square could have 4 tracks with the center tracks use for terminating trains and the outer tracks used to continuing to Brooklyn. This could allow for rerouted trains to run to Brooklyn without causing major delays T train run between White Plains Rd Gun Hill Rd Bronx and Hanover Square Manhattan 3rd Avenue Local 2nd Avenue Local V train run between Wiallimsbrigde 210th st Bronx and Kings Highway Brooklyn 3rd Avenue Express 2nd Avenue Express Culver K train run between Whitestone Expressway 112 st Queens and Wilson Avenue Brooklyn Northern Blvd Local 2nd Avenue Express Williamburg local local It not fully known how much people will benefit but I’m sure this will make the 2nd Avenue line more effective for example 3rd Avenue line would have a queens blvd/Central Park West style subway line. Northern Blvd and the Williamburg Bushwick lines would reduce pressure on other subway lines. A 4 track 2nd Avenue line would better address the needs of the east side of Manhattan Post your opinions on my plan and your own recommendations

I have perfected my 2nd Avenue plan here’s my master plan So as we all know when phase 3 and 4 is open the T train will run all the way down to Hanover Square. But the problem with the 2nd Avenue line is the lack of express tracks, the lack of connections to other boroughs, and the fact that doesn’t have anywhere to be rerouted in case of emergencies. I feel when phase 2 opens the MTA will need to redraw the phase 3 and 4 (example connections to The Bronx Queens and Brooklyn and express tracks) Here some proposals I list The connection to Bronx, so for the Bronx connection build a new 4 track line across 3rd Avenue and Webster Avenue a very hugely populated place in the Bronx. This would be used for the T and V trains. The T train would be local 24/7 and the V train would be express operating weekdays only the express would than lower in 143rd st. The tunnel to Manhattan would be split like this The upper local level would go to Manhattan via Lincoln Avenue and the lower express level would go to Manhattan vis a tunnel underneath the 3rd Avenue bridge How to build express tracks Well with phase 1 build the way it is the express tracks would need to be build underneath but here’s a bonus way we can do this first build the express tracks with connections to 125th street the V train would be the express, Again weekdays only since there won’t really a demand for full time express in East Harlem. It would skip 116th 106th 96th and 86th streets and it would then head down to 2nd Avenue at 81st street than 72nd street would be build with connections to the lower level Yes 72nd street would be an express stop. You can said I’m proposing to make 2nd Avenue The east side version of Central Park west. For phase 2 the Q train would branch out running down via a 125th street crosstown line where it would continue to Broadway 125th street. And the Q and T could be swap depending on train length and/or demand. Now for queens so I propose building a new Northern Blvd line and creating a new 2nd Avenue line the K train.This new queens line would serve northern blvd which would reduce crowding on the 7 train. The northern blvd would be stop at 21st street queensbridge transferring to the F train and than the K train would run down a new tunnel down 62nd street than connecting to the lower level express tracks of 2nd Avenue line. Reasons for it connected to 21st street it would allow for the K train to be rerouted in case of emergencies switch places with one of the queens blvd lines if ridership demands it. Also 60th street tunnel would have connections to the upper local level of 2nd Avenue line reasons it would allow for an emergency reroute of a Broadway line and for the reroute of the W train via 2nd Avenue Local if ridership demands it. Now at 57th street the express rise up and 2nd Avenue would look like the traditional 4 track lines. So the K V is Express and the T is Local. So the K and V would skip 48th 34th 23rd 8th and Houston streets Now you may be wondering what to do for Brooklyn instead of reworking all of Chrystie street (cause as I said earlier that does far more harm than good) On Grand Street the K train would head down to a new line via a new tunnel in Williamsburg running down grand street Morgan Avenue and Wilson Avenue This new Williamsburg Bushwick would reduce crowding on the L and M trains The V train would be connected to the Culver line along side the F and G train. The V train would be the Express train while the F and G trains remain local. It would run up to church ave. And if the demand is high enough culver from 18th Avenue and kings Highway would be converted to 4 tracks to allow for a reliable express service on culver line. And the phase 4 would be build and it would have provisions for a new tunnel running down to Fulton street where the T train could be extended to Euclid Avenue maybe Hanover Square could have 4 tracks with the center tracks use for terminating trains and the outer tracks used to continuing to Brooklyn. This could allow for rerouted trains to run to Brooklyn without causing major delays T train run between White Plains Rd Gun Hill Rd Bronx and Hanover Square Manhattan 3rd Avenue Local 2nd Avenue Local V train run between Wiallimsbrigde 210th st Bronx and Kings Highway Brooklyn 3rd Avenue Express 2nd Avenue Express Culver K train run between Whitestone Expressway 112 st Queens and Wilson Avenue Brooklyn Northern Blvd Local 2nd Avenue Express Williamburg local local It not fully known how much people will benefit but I’m sure this will make the 2nd Avenue line more effective Post your opinions on my plan and your own recommendations

So a lot of people have been going on about what to do with phase 3 and phase 4 of 2nd Avenue line A whole bunch of people believe that the 2nd Avenue line should be connected to the Manhattan Bridge and two services from there take over for the B and D in Brooklyn. The B and D would then replace the J/Z and M trains over the Williamsburg Bridge. The J would then be a downtown shuttle from Delancey Street to Broad Street, but operate full length during rush hour. Vanshnookenraggen himself once propose to split the line at Broadway Junction and build a new underground section from Broadway Junction to Cypress Hills, eliminating the two sharp curves that slow things down. Of the B and D via Williamsburg Bridge, one would follow the M route and the other go to Broadway Junction and end there. With a connection to the IND Fulton Street Line, the C could take over J service from Jamaica Center to Broadway Junction, then run express with the A into Manhattan. To replace the C, it would be possible to connect the Montague Street tunnel into Fulton Street so the W could go there. Well let me go on a little rant on every wrong with this plan For starters rerouting the B and D to Williamburg I don’t think it a good idea because Brooklyn riders would lose access to the 6th ave line and if reroutings are needed on 6th ave service the entire service would be screwed since at least the current lay out for rerouting allow for trains to go to Coney Island either way. Example F train via west end D train via culver No to mention that this plan won’t even allow for the Broadway line to be rerouted to 6th Avenue in case of emergencies. What if another Manhattan Bridge reconstruction project is needed example how that would be impacted see? This is when putting the 2nd Avenue line on the Manhattan Bridge really becomes a problem Further more many riders would piss because they don’t want to lose 6th Ave service to Coney Island or lose access to lower Manhattan Nassau in Williamsburg. Not to mention that Jamaica line can’t handle 75 foot long train cars If necessary we should extend a 2nd ave line via a new tunnel to Williamburg. That would require multiple shut downs. And you be pissing off a lot of grand Concourse riders trying to get to Coney Island. The L and M are crowded, but are not that overwhelmed therefore do not justify letting riders suffer. spliting the line does not better Address the needs of Williamburg in fact it worsens things off for starters people would be furious as they would lose one sat ride from Jamaica center to Williamburg. Than you have Fulton street connection which would be too expensive for the conversation to happen. And the J train becoming a shuttle basically destroys service on Williamburg since you are cutting off service from lower Manhattan and dont bring up the “riders want midtown more than lower Manhattan argument” cause demand for lower Manhattan is just as high have y’all even rode the J/Z before lower Manhattan has seen just as much Gentrification as midtown did and yes we need a phase 4. Lower Manhattan is likely to get more job opportunities with the World Trade Center and rapid growth Phase 4 would has provision for a tunnel to Fulton street. Williamburg is a smaller priority for the 2nd Avenue project so just route a 2nd Avenue line to Williamburg via a new tunnel. Routing a 2nd Avenue line to Williamburg should reduce crowding on the L and M trains So that plan will not work out at all removing the (B)(D) from the Manhattan bridge would cause Coney Island riders to lose access to the 6th Avenue Central Park West and Grand Concourse and removing the (J)(Z) from Williamsburg Bridge would cause riders to lose access to Nassau st line AKA the only connecting to lower Manhattan. Just leave the B D on Manhattan bridge the way it is just leave the J M Z on Williamburg the way it is the riders demand it stays like that. The ideal is to improve realible on the J/Z trains not remove it. Instead of that here is a realistic way of improving the Jamaica line Expanding all BMT eastern division to 10 cars Build a Union Ave station with connections to the G train Build a flying junction on Myrtle Avenue for the M train Replace the Broadway junction and Crescent Street stations with a new straight line on Jamaica Avenue Build a center track for peak way service Covert the Z train to peak way express and J train fully local Extend the J/Z to Hillside And there that how we can improve Williamburg without doing irreversible damage to the entire mta system this is my opinion

Well wasn’t phase 2 just for 3 tracks. If it was meant for 4 tracks the express tracks would likely have to go below between 106th and 96th streets. So having it it underneath would be better and it also makes it easier for the Q train to branch out from the upper level.

The express train would skip 116th 106th 96th and 86th streets 96th street would have provisions to be converted into an express stop just in case

I was thinking the express tracks can go underneath phase 1 and 2 while they rise up on 55th street