RandomRider0101

Moving this discussion over from the R211 thread. When is the last time you lived in NYC? Regardless of how long you lived here, the point is that you don't live here now. Things change over time. Are you familiar with gentrification? That is what has happened/ is happening to many neighborhoods throughout this city, including the ones that the G train runs through. That line may not have warranted longer trains before, but it likely does warrant longer trains now and certainly will warrant them in the future.

Since he lives in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, the answer to that would more than likely be 'No'. How is it a dumb question? He likely wasn't aware that you live in Philly. Also- Since you reside in Philly & not NYC, how can you say with absolute certainty that the does not need longer trains?

That's if they decide to order 4 car sets. That is still subject to change.

Rumor says Jamaica Yard. The TA supposedly wants the to be 100% R211s, which makes sense for uniformity. That would be the 4 car sets on the since East NY is restricted to 8 car trains. We're referring to the 5 car sets on the . Maybe for now, but things can change in the future. **Disclaimer** Everything mentioned here is speculation. Nothing is confirmed yet beyond the receiving R211s.

Since they're expected to make up the majority of the fleet, the R211s will likely end up on the at some point even if they're not used there regularly. On the other hand, if the rumor about the R179s leaving the end up coming true, the r211s will definitely be on the Rock Shuttle as it's part of the A's fleet.

They probably wanna balance them (the R68/As) between both lines. That way, neither will be 100% R46s as I'm assuming that's what they're trying to avoid. Disregard anything I said previously about ridership & whatever else.

Random posts like these belong in the Random Thoughts thread. You're welcome in advance.

It was only there for maintenance. This set has since returned to Pitkin for service. Source: @BenTheMiner in the R46 Retirement Thread

As previously stated, the R160 delivery was completed over a decade ago. Therefore, there is no need for this thread. That is what the Fleet Swap Discussion Thread is for. This whole thread is redundant (unnecessary).

We already have that. Scroll down the subway page past the pinned section.

If the R46s hadn't left Jamaica they would've still been running on the , which is part of the Broadway line.

Wouldn't it be 14 trains in service, with 10 trains subtracted? 10 trains total seems like a small amount from Middle Village-Metropolitan Av to 57th Street Manhattan.

You mean the B, D, N, Q, R & W trains. The wasn't affected by this.

Those were the carbon steel stripes on the NYCT R44s.

While I can understand not liking the R46s, would it really kill you to at least try to take them when you really have somewhere to go? Yes the cars have many obvious issues (aside from age), but they still get thousands of people from point A to point B every day all around the city.

Are you asking about the sets that have received / are receiving the upgraded lighting in the cars? If so, I don't think that's necessarily an indicator that those sets will be in service longer than the sets that don't get them. They replace the lights when they burn out, which is what I assumed happened with the R46s since they are up there in age. To the 1st point - I was thinking that before. Maybe they can take the LCD signs from the R46s when they retire, and put them on the R68/As. That's if they feel it's worth the effort. To the 2nd point - I assumed they may have installed the 96th St signs on more of the R68/As, but it looks like that's not really the case. Also, I would guess that the R68/As at Coney aren't being maintained well due to them running constantly with minimal shop time. They did the same thing when they had the R160s there, and that's likely why they broke down more often than the R160s already at Jamaica.

4140 is an A car (soon to arrive). There is only one A car in the image (4144), the rest are B cars (4141, 4142, 4143). The lighting kinda makes the last car look like an A car, hence why you likely thought it was two of them.

When I checked the timetables myself, they seemed to indicate that the Q runs more consistently overall. That would match with what you said earlier about the tph, as well as with what others have stated. Either way, the N & W will be running most of the R46s out of CI. Yes the cars are not great, but they're not going anywhere until at least option 1 of the R211s is completed.

I just reread your post and would like to respond to the parts in bold. You pretty much answered your own question in regards to the tph for the aforementioned lines. The & COMBINED are 12-15 trains compared to the lines' 8 -10 trains. When split evenly by two, the & are each 6 - 7.5 trains compared to the 8 -10 trains for the . When you go by that, that seems to be an indication that the Q is the slightly busier line compared to the rest of Broadway. I never said anything about Queens Blvd or the A division, so I'm not sure how those came into the discussion. The comparison was between the Q and the N&W. It's not like I said the Q is the busiest line in the whole system.

Two things can be true at once. The 96th St sign installations on the R68/As for the Q are coinciding with more R46s popping up on the N & W. We can debate whether it's ridership related at all, but what we do know for sure is that the LCD signs on the r46s are saving them some work at Astoria. But like you said, when the R46s retire, the N & W will have to deal with a full fleet of R68/As. By then, they would need to have enough people ready to change the rollsigns instantly. Otherwise, you will have many mislabeled trains with the current setup. As @MJHmarc noted in their above post, that may or may not be a big enough priority for the MTA as the main priority is making sure there are enough trains ready and running for service.

If you're going by exterior cleanliness, that doesn't tell the whole story. Many people have reported that the Coney R46s are in worse shape performance-wise than the Pitkin R46s. Coney Island doesn't seem to like maintaining the R46s, a fleet they've never had before until the last few years recently. That may very well explain why the R46s perform so badly at Coney; not to mention the low spare factor as well for cars that are almost 5 decades of age. No that is not why. The Pitkin R46s are moving first because the & need NTTs for CBTC installation. Just because the Pitkin cars are leaving their respective yard first doesn't mean they're all heading straight to retirement. Since the Coney R46s are in worse shape, it is very reasonable to assume that at least a chunk of the Pitkin cars will head over to Coney to replace the worst performing cars there first. Then those cars would of course eventually be replaced as well.

Based on other ppl's comments and my own observation, the is a much more demanding line compared to the . So for that reason alone it makes sense for the to have more R68/As, especially when they all eventually get the 96th St. Rollsigns.

No, he means that the 10 car r179s might move to Jamaica. That's the rumor that someone mentioned before was going around.

I'm pretty sure @CenSin was joking with that post. You on the other hand were clearly not joking. Tackling someone for farebeating is one thing (even that is too much), but tasing & shooting at people just for that is even worse. With all the complaints (especially in recent years) of police brutality, do you really think these ideas you're proposing are going to go over well with people? Especially in an overwhelmingly liberal extremist climate.

That means it's a 4 car set. I wonder what the current progress is with CBTC installation on the R179 sets.