RandomRider0101

So you're saying that r160s going to the & isn't gonna happen because CBTC may not be fully completed by then? That's not how that works. You make it sound as if NTTs can't run on these lines without CBTC; that's what bypass mode is for. Even if CBTC isn't fully installed by then, the r160s (or any NTT) can still run on the & in CBTC bypass mode. It happens all the time on other lines. Whether it's r160s or r211s, these two lines will be getting NTTs. So I'm not sure what point you were trying to make here.

What do you mean? Anytime a new car order comes about, cars swap around all the time. Why would it be any different now?

What about 7349? That went back as well?

If that were the case, MTA would have ordered significantly more XD40s for MTAB since LGA & JFK already have XD60s as well. The latter two depots will be getting a mix of both Novas & New Flyers since they both have very large fleets.

I did hear something about that, It's very concerning and pretty unfortunate. I am disappointed that Nova is leaving the U.S. market, just as I was hoping to see them have an even stronger presence here in the city. In the meantime, I hope New Flyer can keep it together; Certain things I've been hearing doesn't sound too good. I'm concerned that quality control may become worse over time.

We could start seeing Proterras in the near future. Since Nova's leaving the U.S. Market, those 5 electric demos we were supposed to get from them can probably become Proterra ZX5 demos. I think it's a possibility. I think what you're referring to is part of the current capital plan. Speaking of which, can someone give a rundown of what's included in the current 2020-2024 Capital Program?

In my last post I intended to note emergencies as the obvious exception. Besides the MTA crews needing them, the end doors are also there in case of an emergency as @MTA Dude noted above.

This has been explained many times and people just don't seem to get it. Unless the & are switching yards, there is no reason for the to move to Concourse. It is just fine at Coney Island yard.

Yet people continue to do it on a daily basis. Not to mention riding between the cars as well as outside of them.

D.C. Metro has neither the tight curves nor the ridership levels that we have here at MTA NYCT. That is why 75 footers with less doors works for them. If you have noticed, all end doors on all the 75 footers are locked at all times due to how dangerous it is to cross between them. Even during an emergency, passengers are still unable to use them. Case in point, the shooting last year in which a man opened fire on an r46 N train. People were trying to escape and couldn't since the doors were locked. Luckily no one was killed in that incident. The seating arrangement on all the 75 footers is also very bad for crowd control. When you're on a 75 footer that is packed to the brim, you don't wanna be standing by those transverse seats as it is very uncomfortable. Last but not least, MTA likes fleet uniformity. Ordering trains with different doors and seats does not conform to that. These things would require different parts to be used for maintenance, which in turn leads to higher maintenance costs.

Most likely by the time Pitkin finishes receiving their allotment. They will end up on the . People forget that the Rockaway shuttle is part of the line fleet. Meaning that whatever the uses, the Rock Shuttle uses as well. They just barely put r179s on the Rock Shuttle since they make up only a portion of the fleet, and are mainly kept on the for it to have as many techs running there as possible.

I believe it's because they prioritize the R179s for the .

People complain a lot about the R46s, but they should at least be happy they have running trains that are getting them from point A to point B. The R211s will be here soon, and the r46s will continue to hold down service in the meantime.

Subway car warranties are mileage based as well? That's interesting; I only thought of them as being time based. I knew that when a fleet is under warranty, the builder is responsible (in this case Alstom); Then once the warranty is up, MTA is solely responsible.

The R179s are in the process of getting their CBTC kits installed. Besides that, the r179s still have to be maintained just like every other car fleet. Even if they run every train at the same time to minimize r46 usage, they will still eventually have to be out for maintenance. So that is likely why you haven't seen as many of them running this weekend.

Disregard my previous response. Wasn't aware at the time that the end symbol is used to indicate sarcasm (facepalm). I'm still not fully versed in keyboard slang (or whatever you choose to call it). 🤷‍♂️ 🤷

Manufacturers have to be qualified in order to build rolling stock for the MTA. Alstom & Kawasaki are the only companies that are currently qualified to build cars for MTA. Also, not every company is willing to do business with NYCT. So that limits their options even more anyway.

And what exactly does that have to do with replacing the R68/As? Are you saying that public transit will become obselete in the coming decades?

This is standard procedure for all subway cars. They have to be planned well in advance as it is a lengthy process. It took about a decade from when the R211 was first announced publicly to when the first train made it to MTA property. The R262s & R268s haven't even been awarded yet, so they both have a long way to go before they make it to NYCT.

R268 is the replacement for the R68/As. And lol at R262A since that was never confirmed.

That's the whole point of option 2. To increase car availability and to prepare for phase 2 of Second Ave. Subway. And that's assuming we even see Phase 2 by the end of this decade.

The & will most likely keep the 5 car r179s. It would be the 4 car r179s that would more than likely leave so that the can be full length. The reduction of seats on the r262s won't be as dramatic as the r211s when you compare both to their previous NTT counterparts. Now if you compare them to the old techs, that's a different story since all of the old techs in service have 50 inch doors.

The only way to make the windows larger is to take away a set of doors from each car, which would defeat the whole purpose of making the doors larger in the first place. Until they start putting plug doors on the trains, this is the only real option we have. No matter what the MTA does or tries to do, someone will always be unhappy & unsatisfied. Personally, I'm just glad we have new cars on the way to replace all the old 1970s equipment.

Did you get to ride it? I'm asking 'cause we know how much you love those R160s.

The first 5 car set is. The 2nd 5 car set is still yet to be delivered. It should be coming soon, hopefully any day now.