RandomRider0101

Thanks for clarifying the situation with ENY. Would it be more feasible to move the to Pitkin while using 207th for the ? Or would they be better off just ordering 8 car R211s if they decide to keep the 480 ft long? See response above.

Three words: higher spare factor. If the R179s currently at 207th do go to ENY in the future, I don't think they necessarily have to be used for extra service. I'm assuming ENY can fit 88-92 more cars. It would at least allow the R143s & R160s with Canarsie CBTC to be kept exclusively for the "L"; plus they are expected to add extra service to this line at some point.

Welp, so much for the gangway idea. I started growing doubtful the more I learned about these cars, but I was still kinda holding onto hope that some kind of alterations could be made to the sets to make them actually work here at NYCT. I hope they can just convert the gangway sets into standard sets. That way, they won't have the trouble of having to keep these cars isolated to a shuttle route.

I can confirm. Just got off the train myself.

Yeah I agree. I rode the R211s for the 1st time last week & it was definitely an exciting experience, especially with the R211Ts. It was pretty surreal seeing open gangways in action for the first time. I really hope there is a way to make open gangways work in NYCT so that this can become the standard moving forward.

That would be 4145, and this train was reported 2 days ago on the last page.

I'm assuming that's the plan. Once all the R211As return to service, then they can focus on the R211Ts next for the 30 day passenger test.

Yeah that was not a smart move on Kawasaki's part. If they were gonna use different trucks for the R211s, they should've started with the pilot set. Or they should've just kept the R160 trucks like someone said before. Now this will be another issue for them to address, which means yet another delay on top of all the other delays. I do really hope they take their time so they can make all the proper & necessary fixes.

The decision to retire the R32s in late 2021-early 2022 had nothing to do with the MTA getting overly confident in the R211s. Those cars were never coming back into passenger service anyway, for reasons already explained by at least one of our honorary employees here (You seem to be overlooking that last bit) . They only returned in summer 2020 due to the R179s being sidelined after the pull apart incident. Once the latter cars returned, the former cars were gradually sidelined over the next month or so, never seeing passenger service again until the weeks long final excursion which took place over a year later. They were already OOS for 7-8 months prior to the first R211 hitting MTA property. Even though they were yet to be offically retired, it was already clear by then that MTA had made their final decision. Just wanted to clear things up with you so that you know where I stand.

I'm not telling anyone to do anything. I'm just asking if we can move on from this. This convo has been had so many times before and it seems like it can never be settled. The cars in question are no longer in service and haven't been for years now. The R211s are replacing the R46s, so that should be the main focus here. I've barely posted on these forums for the past few months. So your remark about my 'unwanted 2 cents' is not really accurate, but whatever I guess.

Can we please drop this topic and move on now? This is the R211 Discussion thread. The R32s have been officially retired for almost 2 years now, and nothing anyone says on here or elsewhere is gonna change that fact. We all know that the R46s have issues, as will any car that's approaching 50 years of age. But the issues do not warrant an even older generation of cars being in service just to have them. They have enough cars to make service & that's all that matters right now. Just like with any other subway car we've had, the R211s are currently having teething issues that will eventually be fixed. It's really not that big of a deal. If you feel like made a mistake retiring the R32s when they did, that's fine; you're entitled to your opinion but it is just that, an opinion. Just because you feel that way doesn't make it fact. Now for the sake of all parties involved, let's all keep calm & carry on.

Got it. Now here's the thing : even if they kept the last 100 R32s in service today & the 63rd st. G.O. never took place at this time, MTA would still be in the same position they're in now. Except with R32s instead of R160s (the ones from ENY). I rode an R46 Q train once last year, and it was a less than pleasant ride. I could see why ppl were complaining about them so much & saying they're the worst batch of cars. However, I've recently started riding them daily to work (save a couple R68As), and overall they actually weren't that bad (from a passenger's perspective). I'm guessing Coney shop forces have somewhat gotten used to these cars. Of course the R46s are obviously not great cars, but ultimately they get the job done and will continue to do so until the R211 order is complete. I definitely feel for employees like @Kamen Rider who may or may not have to deal with this equipment on a daily basis. The rest of us will survive until these cars are all gone.

50 ten car trains = 500 cars. I'm assuming you meant 5 ten car trains, which would be 50 cars.

The difference is that the & share a terminal while the & do not. So that comparison doesn't really work. A comparison btw the and the makes more sense since both sets of lines share a terminal and fleet. Bottom line: the & are NOT a combined entity. They are separate lines with separate operations.

But there is also nothing wrong with acknowledging them as separate entities since they still are indeed, separate routes; despite the fact that the route is fully confined within the route. @Lawrence St's assessment is correct since the R211s are currently only assigned to the (the cars are still in the early stages of their rollout).

Okay, maybe I should reword my question. How many subway barns are unable to maintain separate parts for more than one fleet? For example, Concourse only maintains one fleet and still is overwhelmed due to the barn shop's size being too small. I'm wondering if there are other barns in the system that have the same or similar limitations. 207th doesn't maintain 10 car trains since the shop building isn't long enough to hold full 600 ft trains. When R46s are used on the , they are only stored in the yard & are not maintained by the shop.

Is there another barn/shop in the system besides Concourse that's small to the point where they can only maintain one car type at a time? I'm mainly curious about Livonia.

Maybe part of it has to do with those XD40s that Stengel has. You know they have the worst batch of them in the entire city. Or maybe some buses are just receiving SMS.

A more plausible reason would be 'cause these cars are on their way out soon.

That assignment is from before the R211s entered service. Any R46 sets not in service are used for the spare factor.

How was stengel short when they still have a surplus of buses at the depot? Are the Novas still having teething issues or is it something else?

The 20 cars a month delivery schedule only applies to the R211As. The R211S delivery schedule is separate from the R211As, something like what @AZthefoamer mentioned in the post directly above yours.

Yes, the R211S will have to do a 30 day passenger test. That is standard procedure, SIR is not exempt from this. The R211Ts will also be doing their 30 day test whenever the time comes. Both look to be starting soon (211S & 211T).

There was a post at the end of the previous page that was removed due to a certain word that was used. It's okay to have disagreements with each other, but let's just be mindful of the language we use on here. That's all. On another note - I do look forward to seeing this order continue to make progress, and hopefully they eventually can work their way back to the original goal.

Yeah, hopefully they can sort all of this out soon enough. Sidenote: your response to that poster was removed from the R211 thread, and I'm sure you already know why. Just giving you a heads up to be mindful of what you say here. Besides that, I did agree with your post.