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    Trains collide/derail at 96th St IRT Station

    in New York City Subway

    Posted

    19 hours ago, Peter Dougherty said:

    At yesterday's NTSB conference they stated that the light train had the brakes and motors cut out in the front five cars; the R62As here are arranged in two 5-car units to make up a train.  The front half of the train was rolling essentially like a shopping cart; no motor, no brakes, just being pushed and stopped from the 5-car unit behind. It was said that there were two employees at the head end looking out the front, ostensibly relaying signal and track information to the train operator who was in the 6th car of the train and making control inputs from there.

    It's highly doubtful that the local track's home signal (X-288) would have been showing anything but a stop indication at this point for at least two reasons: A conflicting/crossing movement was lined in front of it, and the block was occupied. The very design of an interlocking is to prevent this precise thing, by displaying a stop indication, enforced with a trip arm. With the lead car's brakes cut out, getting tripped would have had no effect. As such I strongly doubt the signal system or the tower/OCC operator(s) would have any blame at all. I hope there were platform cameras recording to capture the light train's actions; that will be absolutely key, in my opinion.

    To me, it all comes down to why that train was in the station at all, and even if it was authorized to be there by supervision, did it stop at the home signal? If it did, why did it move with the signal still displaying a stop indication? If it didn't stop, why didn't it stop if there were TWO crew members observing the road ahead, both radio equipped, both presumably with the ability to issue a stop command to the train operator 300 feet behind them.

    Another question I have is if the A division road channel on the radio was clear at the time or congested, and whether the crew was operating on that road channel, or the train-to-train "talkaround" channel. The transit system's radio system infrastructure is essentially a holdover from the 1960s only with more modern radios. I don't know where the road channel's transmitting antenna is located for that section of track, but it's entirely possible that if the train crew was operating on the talkaround channel and the dispatcher-to-train (road) channel was also transmitting at the same time and with enough power, a stop command might not have been easily heard. With FM radios, whoever has the loudest signal wins and that's what the receiver captures; it would override a weaker signal underneath it. Granted this is a stretch, and wild speculation on my part, but as somewhat of a radio expert, I can tell you I've seen this situation occur many, many times, where a simplex transmission is missed because a repeater or a different and stronger simplex transmitter keys up at the same time; the weaker signal is not received. If the STOP command was given and the channel was congested, it's possible the train operator never received the command. But that still doesn't answer the question of why it didn't stay stopped at the home signal.

    I suggest you wait for the NTSB to conclude thier investigation and present how this went down..

    Then your questions will be answered.

    You will be surprised..

    No I'm not going to comment on how it went down active investigation...

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    The Schoolcar Experience

    in Transit Employment

    Posted

    10 hours ago, Kamen Rider said:

    Give an example of such a circumstance. was working the Alpha a few weeks ago. 

    Passengers rush past me at beach 67th as I start hearing loud music. 

    I turn and look through the cab door window into the passenger area and there is man standing there making a fuss. I open the door a crack, and politely ask him to turn the music off.

    Argumentative behavior ensues from him.

    "Just do you job." he yells... alongside a lot more colorful language... 

    "Sir... I am doing my job. I am, if you'd like, the 'captain' of this train. I am asking you to turn that off. If you choose to ignore me, I will have to get the police involved."

    More fussing...

    I sigh, closed down and called control. 

    he was running his damn mouth all the way till Euclid until the cops took him off. 

    They always Talk big..

    Then the cops show up and they mitch up....

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    Trains collide/derail at 96th St IRT Station

    in New York City Subway

    Posted

    1 hour ago, Lawrence St said:

    As you should. Don’t get in trouble for something like that. Me and you both know people have in the past for speaking on stuff like this.

    Exactly i got buffs in my inbox trying to ask me too..

    Never spoke to me before dont speak to me now..

    They can keep it moving that way>>>>

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    63rd Street Tunnel Shutdown Begins Last week in August.

    in New York City Subway

    Posted

    On 1/2/2024 at 6:47 PM, JSLR7 said:

    That will never happen. The MTA doesn’t like having 2 different services at 2 different times.  (Which makes zero sense, since the MTA is always making route changes every weekend for other maintenance projects.) Either (M)  runs via 63rd at all times or (F) runs via 63rd at all times.

    The only change I can see being made is to make the (F) local in Queens whenever the  isn’t running, and to make the (M) express in Queens on weekdays, but use the pre-2023 tunnel service. ((F)  uses 63rd, (M) uses 53rd). Since both local and express trains can use the Jamaica yard from 71st Av, it not really an issue in terms of yard assignment (unlike the (R) , which needs a B division yard in Queens since 4th Av has no yard)

    Not happening...

     

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    63rd Street Tunnel Shutdown Begins Last week in August.

    in New York City Subway

    Posted

    13 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

    The issue was the schedule that was written and the available equipment to run the service. Had for example, the (G) kept its R46s, those current R160s could have made the extra trains for the (R), especially since the (M) isn’t using as many crews, which could have been transferred to the (R). Remember that the (E)(F) had rush hour service reduced to accommodate the extra (R)s due to equipment shortages (only R160s permitted on QB).

     

    alternatively, what COULD have been done is cancel the (W) for the duration of the project, allocate the R46s from that line to the (G), and any leftover cars to the (N)(Q). Pitkin could have also transferred an extra 24 R46 cars (and concourse yard an extra 4-car R68 train). This way, Broadway/59 St would have room for the extra (R) trains that could have ran between 71 Av and Whitehall St, as opposed to all traveling empty to 59 St-4 Av. The frequency of the (R) would have been every 4 minutes while the (N) frequency would have been every 6-7 minutes (no 96 St-2 Av trips for either route), and using extra Coney Island cars for the (Q) to run every 6 minutes consistently during the rush hours without the need for the (N). All (N) trains would remain Broadway Express since the higher-frequency (R) would have been able to handle the local stops.

     

    just to say this COULD have been done, or doing the “alternating (M) trains between 57 St/6 Av and 71 Av each every 15 minutes during rush hours” idea, where no additional 10-car R160s would be needed.

    briefly:

    rush hours- (M) runs every 7.5 minutes between Metropolitan Av and 47-50 Sts, then alternate trains go to 71 Av and the remainder terminate at 57 St.

    All other times - no change from current service

     

    but we have what we have now and it’s only 4.5 months left until the project is done

    If you knew about those R46s what some of us folks down here know you'd know why they did what they did..

    The (M)via 53rd was a absolute NO due to trains and CBTC issues with switch movement this has also be discussed and they managers told OP that any (M) train going via 53rd would be a nightmare.

    So yer ight yall got what yall got and just deal until the spring/summer..

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    Conquestors allegedly move train in 71st-Cont Relay, Agency investigating.

    in New York City Subway

    Posted · Edited by RTOMan

    5 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

    That's exactly my point. If they can MOVE a train, what's stopping them from going out onto the mainline?? 

    There was two incidents..

    One was CTL..

    One was mainline already just north of Briarwood...

    The Briarwood one happened On a Friday the radio was going crazy because the lay ups was out of place...

    They didn't know why well now we know why...

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    The Schoolcar Experience

    in Transit Employment

    Posted

    20 hours ago, Kamen Rider said:

    Another important reminder for you new hires:

     

    never forget who is the boss here. You are not a lowly cashier at McDonalds. You and your partner are the managers of your train. You do not need to take any shit from the passengers. You do not need to do what they ask if you don’t want to.

     

    if you have a passenger misbehaving and they respond to your request to stop with “go do your job”… remind them that is exactly what you’re doing. The safety and security of your train and its passengers are as much your responsibility as getting the train to the terminal. 

    ^^^^^THIS..

    Also i keep in the back of my head for these holier than thou passengers..

    "You are riding the train a nyc subway train"...

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    Conquestors allegedly move train in 71st-Cont Relay, Agency investigating.

    in New York City Subway

    Posted · Edited by RTOMan

    11 hours ago, BreeddekalbL said:

    More video

     

     

    All The MTA can do is report it to the police and wait for them to take action....

    They are already arrested they just dont know it yet so yall who know these nimrods can tell them..

    I feel maybe if they get hit with federal charges this nonsense can stop....

    Do any of you remember the Brighton Incident when them R42 bravo layups was moved?

    All three of them got arrested.

    Its up to the courts however backwards azzed way they do things to handle it.

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    Conquestors allegedly move train in 71st-Cont Relay, Agency investigating.

    in New York City Subway

    Posted

    27 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

    But this has been going on for a while apparently, has RTO and NYPD not been doing anything about it?

    Yes they have arrests have been made but since some of  these nimrods are minors records have been sealed.

    The incident on the 4 train i think it was a few months ago they arrested them too.

    Nobody is online pounding thier chests saying "Oh we got over" notice that dont you?

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