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On 8/24/2022 at 11:18 PM, N6 Limited said:

That is why I take the LIRR now, constant QBL abuse.  After about 9PM its better to just go to Penn Station for the LIRR. I thought the delays were due to CBTC installation, so recently I took the  later in the evening, but while it still runs express. I started having flashbacks, not worth it.

Going to Forest Hills? Have you tried going to the next express stop and backtracking? I say this because the  sucks on weekends and I’ve made faster trips to local stops that way (using train time as guidance).

Exactly, They should start using holding lights again or integrate train time into late nite bus service. I started taking the LIRR to Queens Village, then catch the N6 at Springfield. The timing used to be almost perfect.

Exactly, Defaulted to LIRR, but tried the  as well, no nite Trackwork on ELs made for smooth ride.

I have a couple of Quoted posts I didn’t comment on, formatting is not behaving.

During the week and on weekends. The issue is that they cut service after 9pm so when I'm in the City coming home, I'm usually near the train so when i miss one, The next one is 20 mins away due to the crew shortage. So even if I backtrack from forest hills to 63rd drive southbound, There's no point since I'll still have to wait for that train to leave or show up. And I'm not gonna travel from 14th st USQ to 60th and 2nd for the Q60 unless I finish my deliveries in that area.

48 minutes ago, RandomRider0101 said:

It's easy to say these things when you're a railfan, and not just a regular rider who had to use these cars on a regular basis. It's easy to call people idiots when they don't understand why cars that are unpleasant to ride in and should've been retired years ago are still in service. Had the R38-44s been made 100% stainless steel, and/or had the  ordered enough R179s to provide a decent spare factor while replacing all remaining pre-R44 cars, none of this would be an issue in the first place. Most of us here already know why the R32s lasted longer than they were suppose to, the average rider doesn't. They don't know that the R32s original intended full replacement (the R160s) had to replace younger cars (the R44s) because they were in really bad shape. Their later intended final replacement (the R179s) were severely delayed, causing them to be in service even longer. Some riders were made aware of that via the news media. What most of them didn't know was that some were still planned to be kept even when the replacements arrived, due to there not being enough cars to increase the spare factor for increased ridership at the time. On top of that, the R179s were plagued with issues by the time they did finally arrive, which the media definitely made sure to cover. This also factored into the overall replacement process of the remaining R32s & 42s taking even longer. While I understand where your frustration comes from, I don't think it's right for you to insult people's intelligence just because they don't have the same knowledge about the subway fleet as us railfans do. Riders had every right to complain about the R32s, especially since they were well past due their retirement. Knowing the 's history, did you really expect them to keep ancient cars in service when there's still double-digit losses in ridership and severe crew shortages that still haven't recovered as a result of an ongoing world pandemic? What's done is done, decisions were made and there's nothing that's going to change those decisions. We just have to wait for the R211s to come and hopefully all goes well with the order.

I'm not looking at this from a railfan's point a view. I hate when people think that. I don't want to screwed because the idiots at 2 Broadway keep making dumb decisions while our local politicians are pushing for congestion pricing when we are still short on subway cars and staff. It's not my fault that didn't order enough cars when they had the chance. They had a chance to order more R160 cars but didn't. They could have added additional R179s (they got 16 cars for free) but they didn't. That's why the R32s lasted as long as they did.

You guys clearly don't get it at all. I don't want to deal with another 6-10 year car shortage because of Bullshit decisions , We are in 2022 and the f**king train is still short and you have mixed length trains running around. This shouldn't be the case, Ridership will bounce right back up once they do congestion pricing because low income and semi middle class people will be forced to take the subway by default since its the cheaper option.

Y'all sit here and want all these things to improve transit but without doing it right. Everyone wants congestion pricing but don't understand the negatives due to shitty management at . 

has a history of over scrapping trains and not replacing them and we get screwed.

And the bullshit about low ridership, People said this in 2010 and the shit bounced right up soon after the cuts. In reality they had no choice but to cut service because of the R44 retirement, Them merging the helped which in turn helped retire the R44's without replacement until the returned in 2016 and 2nd ave opened requiring more cars in which Concourse had to give up a set or two of their R68s and Jamaica giving up 2 R160s and pitkin giving up 2 R46s to Jamaica.

The R211 order is meant to fix all of these issues on top of replacing the already retired remaining R32s and the entire R46 fleet plus additional cars for fleet growth. The only issue is that the order is delayed which is no surprise due to the pandemic.

23 minutes ago, Trainmaster5 said:

Thanks for your post. I read it yesterday and it bugs me that many people on the bus and the subway forums didn’t see this before. IIRC I stated early on  when the pandemic started out that ridership numbers would determine the amount of service provided by the  going forward. I was primarily focused on the subway side but the same thing applies to both modes. People are talking about service increases when the ridership numbers haven’t reached 70% on average. The agency is going broke . Any other business would cut costs and rearrange their service options to stay in business or close up shop. That’s basic school book economics, at least to some of us. The problem with what the Surface folks are doing is that there’s no rhyme or reason to the missing runs and the people are getting screwed because of it. Haphazard is not the way to go, IMO. Head over to the subway forums and people are clamoring for new equipment and service increases. With 70% of pre-pandemic ridership numbers it seems to me that reading comprehension is a thing of the past. No matter who wins the Governorship this year it’s guaranteed that service cuts are coming. Covid-19 and WFH have changed the whole  outlook permanently. This is my opinion. Judging by past history I doubt that I’m wrong. Carry on.

This has nothing to do with ridership, This is more like they won't use the extra or new drivers to cover for runs when that assigned B/O takes the day off or is on Vacation.

Bus ridership is still very high

11 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said:

That’s what I’m saying. The slight service reductions on the weekday routes like I proposed will just ensure a proper spare factor. I did not say anything about car moves sir (or madam). It’s just to up the spare factor so that all lines have an acceptable spare factor (the  having only a spare factor of 5.5 and the south Brooklyn lines (and the ) only a spare factor of 4 is not acceptable because of what you said - when trains are pulled there needs to be another train ready to take its place, and sometimes they just aren’t. The instances of abandoned headways would be reduced if the spare factor were higher so that cars can actually get maintenance.

They wouldn't have to do that much cuts though. The issue is more of that CIY and Pitkin need more cars, They expected the R211s to be in service by now which isn't the case so they are in a tough spot. They can't really do cuts anyway but if they did it would only be the two lines i stated earlier and they would be more of an reduction of service rather than a cut. They really jumped the gun when the warning signs were there. This wouldn't be much of an issue if they put the R46s on the . This would help CIY give the cars more shop time during the weekends and help the R46s reliability. The only 2 lines that would still have issues until the R211s go into service would be the / .

46 minutes ago, trainfan22 said:

Good God these overly dramatic posts about R46s, yes they have issues but it's not the end of the world.

 

 

The R32s are retired and not coming back, get over it already! How many times is y'all gonna to complain about the damn spare factor, I ride B div routes all the time and trains on  the B div routes are not dropping OOS left and right. If you believe these posters you would think the subway is late 70s/early 80s levels of bad which is far from the truth.

 

Which is crazy is yall is grown men acting like this, I could understand if yall was teenagers but adult posters are seriously suggesting service cuts so their line can have R160s again, ridiculous. Service cuts are not necessary. 

 

 

I could understand complaining about poor service, large gap in services, etc. But this spare factor/car shortage complaints is annoying af, yall not the CI yard dispatcher so why do yall even care so about this???

Ok first off, What i'm posting are facts. When you have R46s running like dog shit and being taken OOS, It creates a gap in service. On top of that you have retards vandalizing them making things even worse.

I take them daily on the and they are tired as f**k. They weren't this bad at Jamaica at all and the pitkin ones are decent but are starting to also show their problems.

Nobody on here is saying the R32s are coming back. We are posting that the retiring them out of nowhere due to the fact that people bitched about them are causing the current issues.

So yes It affects a lot of shit. Why the f**k do you think they wanted to keep them until the R211s? So they wouldn't run into this issue. The only thing that is keeping this issue to a somewhat minimal is the crew shortage. 

A Line like the has to share it's R46 spares with the which is very small (5 sets in totals and a pair), That's a problem. The only has 13 sets of R179s and The has 11. Most of the R46s on the / are now being vandalized hence why a T/O on facebook went on a rant about it which caused them to pull the plug on putting that R32 in regular service for a few trips.

And Using that grown man argument is so f**king dumb when you have people in this transit community who do much worse shit than discuss regular shit like this.

When you can't pull a train out the yard because you have no equipment, You get a ABD meaning you will have a gap in service. Why do you think the always have large gaps in service? Because they barely have the equipment. Hence why the spare factor argument.

1 hour ago, darkstar8983 said:

I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re measuring line by line ridership to see where cuts can be made and we go back to a phase-1 service pattern where:

-  service cut back to every 12 minutes all day

-  - no 179 St rush hour trips

-  - rush hour frequency scaled back to every 5 minutes instead of every 4

-  frequency cut to every 10 minutes

-  service every 10 minutes all day

-  trains each every 12 minutes

-  train suspended

and use the cars freed up to increase spare factor 

They would only do cuts to one or two lines which is likely either the or , The others wouldn't be affected 

You posted all of that so Jamaica could lose some of their R160's back to CIY. You not slick.

2 hours ago, biGC323232 said:

I agree...The R32s in my opinion was still in good shape despite there age...They not that older than the current 46s in service....And with this new signaling system being installed forced the best cars to go  on some lines while others suffer thru breakdown etc... I agree that the 32s should have stayed in service until they was absolutely sure about the R211...

And the funny thing is they could have barely ran them as well. They would have be the type of fleet where if they need a train, It'll go in service. They could have did that instead of flat out retiring them until the R211s are in service. The R211s are delayed due to the effects of covid (vendor delays, staff at the plant walking off the job and etc.). half of the R32 fleet were getting scrapped regardless like they are now while the remaining would stay which they are keeping a chunk (Subject to change) until the next scrap contract.

Due to the delays of the R211s, We are going to have more issues with the R46 fleet unless they make cuts to a line where they can balance things out.

2 hours ago, zacster said:

I was at 63/lex the other day midday and a set of R46s were deadheading to "86th St", meaning CI Yard, probably due to mechanical issues.  Those cars are on their last legs. 

I was surprised that the upper eastsiders didn't put pressure on Cuomo when he was still gov to get them off the line.  The 2nd Ave Subway was one of his pet projects and then the MTA put the oldest trains on it after originally having the newest, all decked out in special graphics too. 

Meanwhile, the R211s are nowhere to be seen.

 

Things like this is the reason why the R46s run like shit. Idiots who complained to the governor is one of the reasons why the R32s aren't running anymore creating a spare shortage. spent money rehabbing 100 R32s to keep in service until the first R211s enter service after their 30 day test.  Now you have a semi car shortage and the cars barely see shop time. The only thing saving everything from getting worse is the crew shortage.

Sometimes people just need to shut up. When people complain about subway cars, They do things like over scrap cars and we end up with a decade long car shortage and having cars spend less time in the shop due to them being needed for service.

On 8/13/2022 at 12:56 AM, Cait Sith said:

Story time.

So after work, I managed to catch 5878 on the M34A(and for those inquiring, it does have Quill decals). As the bus turned over to 9th Avenue, I happened to notice a buff(an adult at that) that was literally at the front. The op had to open the front door only because there was traffic and two coach buses blocking the stop at 9th/42nd. As folks were going in to the bus, this buff was in the way, and that in itself was annoying.

As we made our way down 9th Avenue, this same buff got off at a stop just to get a picture of the bus, this kept happening at several other stops along the way. The people sitting behind me were getting annoyed at the dude, and the bus op looked completely over it and just wanted him off. It didn't help that he was delaying the bus to the point where an M34 caught up.

If you're a buff and you do this kind of nonsense, you guys gotta stop. And if any of ya'll read this and catch feelings over this post, that's your problem and I don't care. That was pretty annoying to go through, especially since I was trying to go the f**k home. 34th was already bad with traffic tonight, this just made things worse. Think before you act, and use some freaking common sense, especially on a bus that was progressively getting more crowded.

I thought they only do that on the trains as they get off snap a pic and get back on (That's annoying in itself) . Nah If i was on that bus, He would have stayed off. Esp if I'm going home.

1 minute ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

Riding the  and  towards Jamaica after  midnight is brutal. Took over an hour to get from 34th street to Forest Hills because of late night track work. They should have some cross honoring system with the LIRR overnights when this mess goes on because this for real doubles and sometimes even triples commute times because of missed bus connections. 
 

I'm used to it, This is why it's better to take the Q60 at night. But nothing is worse than missing the train at 9pm at night and waiting between 15 to 30 mins.

1 hour ago, Calvin said:

The R46 fleet is currently in the total of 744 cars. 5482-5549, 5554-5877 are in a total of 49 8 75 ft car trains at Coney Island with 5878-6061, 6063-6149, 6152-6207, 6208-58 (evens) are in 44 8 75 ft car trains for both Pitkin and 207 St. 

*5550-5553 are out of service for a long time for further investigation. 

Pretty much scrap at this point, They keep losing cars and now they really barely have spares.

5 hours ago, VIP said:

The R68/68A’s are (officially) mainly assigned to the  while there are still R46’s in regular service. 

They really need to put the R46s on the at this point.

This Past Sunday reminded me how the Q114 sucks ass after 6pm. I don't know how the thought it was a good idea to end Q113 service after 6pm on a sunday was a good idea. I used to live along the Q111,Q113 and the Q114 (originally the Q113 local) and It was never this bad.

Man, It would have been nice to run those R32s for more trips in regular service. But of course the idiots ruin it. There are things that they want to do with that train but because of the retards, They might pull the plug.

1 hour ago, Calvin said:

R32s 3888-3889, 3828-3829, 3894-3895 and 3646-3647 made a round-trip run around the Rockaways this past afternoon as a . One married pair were separate from the Farewell   parade train consist that happened during January. 

it was apart of the museum trip and it 2 round trips.

8 minutes ago, Daniel The Cool said:

Nope it's in service for some kind of run. 

yeah its apart of the museum trip, I just saw.

35 minutes ago, SimplyMyself said:

There’s currently a R32 train running in the Rockaways.

Consisted of cars 3646-7, 3828-9, 3888-9, 3894-5 (All cars from the final run).

Also this week, a train from Concourse was sent to Coney most likely for scrap.

Probably either for a movie shoot, Brake testing or a protection train for the Museum train

That set that that was from Concourse is a scrap train.

12 minutes ago, trainfan22 said:

If they barely do anything then why did the R179 MDBF shoot up? R179 MDBF is in the 240, 000s only the R160 MDBF is higher in the B div. If there was a supposed car shortage every car class in the B div would be suffering. The R46s are old and NYCT is probably doing the bare minimum to keep them running since their replacements will be arriving in the near future.

 

The R179s are a smaller fleet within the . There are more R46's on the and about 8-10 R46s on the . The only has 92 R179s which is 11.5 sets which 9 out of 11.5 are used. So both fleets are used constantly with the R179s being more reliable. But the R179s barely help due to the fact the R46s dominate both lines. If there were more R179s on both lines, This would be a non issue. The Fleet age is very unbalanced on the   since the older fleet make up 65-70% of both together with the having 88% R46s.

This is why they have issues on top of a very small spare factor. R179s might be reliable but it doesn't do much since they make up 13% of the

And The B division is suffering (except Jamaica and ENY) Due to the shortage of spares. The lines all have issues due to low spare factor. Concourse got screwed since 2016 hence the issues with the IC's and other issues that are finally being addressed. CIY has the R46s that are unreliable and the   issues mentioned above.

13 hours ago, trainfan22 said:

The A/C on the Pikin assigned R46s has been cooler than usual this summer so far, surprisingly. Years past I didn't like riding R46s during the summer cause of the weak A/C.

 

 

Outside of the A/C perfomance even the Pikin 46s are a little rough around the edges these days. Maybe the R179s get priority for shop time and the R46s are an afterthought due to being close to retirement, just speculation on my part.

Nope that's not the main reason. They have little shop time because you know, They barely have spares. 5 sets and a pair as spares for the is not enough and the main reason why they are dropping in performance.   Even with the R179's, They barely do anything since they also have a low amount on both lines with the having only 130 cars.

45 minutes ago, ABOGbrooklyn said:

Since 6th Avenue is getting CBTC early than expected, this is my assumptions for which lines get the 211s and 160s

 211s mixed with 179s same with the

will get 160s

will be fully 211s

will be mixed with 160s and 211s

will just be 160s

 

What do you think?

 

The Last part, The would probably get the majority of the R211 fleet when Jamaica gets them. The is a mixed bag because if it's open gangway, The Line superintendent probably  would throw a fit due to the being homeless central. But realistically they always make sure the   get the newest equipment first, It's always been like that until the R160's. The originally was supposed to be first for the R160's then the early to mid 2009 but the line superintendent wasn't having it so they took a 4 car R160A-1 from ENY and started R160 qualifying crews and burn testing as well. The majority of the line crew were already Qualified to operate R160's as far back as July 2008 when they had a plan to use a few CI R160's on the until Jamaica got theirs in late 2008. When the R160's debuted on the , Half of the line crew weren't R160 qualified.

10 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

Unfortunately, due to the CBTC activation on QB, requiring a higher spare factor for R160s, now all the non-Jamaica yard cars / lines have to have a low spare factor:

 - only 4.5 trains as spares / runs 29 trains during rush hours

 - only 4.5 trains as spared / runs 25 trains during rush hours

 - only 4 trains as spares / runs 21 trains during rush hours (plus a loaner from the  in the morning and a loaner from the  in the evening)

 - only 5 trains as spares / runs 33 trains during rush hours

- Only 6 trains as spares / runs 38 trains during rush hours

 - only 4 trains as spares / run 18 trains during rush hours

The only way to increase spare factor now is to reduce service on the  lines.

No Because of the R32 retirement, Spare factor has decreased hence why the R46s are barely doing great and always having issues. The R179's plus the extra 16 cars finally bridged the gap and allowed them to kill off 50%+ of the R32 fleet and all of the 50 R42's. Then they decided to retire all the R32s thus creating another car shortage in terms of spares. The had a very good R46 spare factor (12 sets in total) that was going to be reduced thanks to the R179s and the R32s would have supplemented to allow pitkin to send more R46s to CI yard increase their spare factor even more.  Jamaica being all R160s made things worse because they need a higher spare factor but not on the level of ENY since ENY has car types and now has two CBTC lines instead of just one. And Also now CI has a fleet average of 35 years instead of 12 years (in 2020 their newest R160s were 12 years old. I'm not counting 9853-9942 as those were originally Jamaica's and were there only briefly).

With the using R46s, The suffers as well. The / has to share 5 R46 sets together plus a pair and it doesn't help that 4 R46's combined plus one A car from an A-A set (6214) are OOS with the 4 cars pending scrap and 6214 as a spare R46. 

15 hours ago, Calvin said:

I wonder if that R143 and R160A-1 running on the  is whatever needed in service. They do have a 4-car spare on each class: 143, 160 and the 179. 

Kind of reminded me that last Sunday, there was a R68 2876-2879 and R68A 5017-5020 together as a  but from what I've heard, the braking is different. 

They are doing this to probably reduce the spare factor in the future. If these mixed trains are successful without issue, They can reduce the spare factor without issue and could send more 8 car R179s to the freeing up more R46s. The same could be said about CI with the R68s to slightly increase their spare factor.

On 7/26/2022 at 7:50 PM, trainfan22 said:

Keep the (Z). I used to commute to school during the times skip stop was in operation in 2005 and it was an time saver. No need to tinker with J/Z service.

There is an obsession of wanting the gone amongst foamers. They never ride the daily until the R32s started running on it. The works and it pisses me off when people compare it to the / .

5 hours ago, trainfan22 said:

They are not gonna retire the R142s this soon, they would rebuild them to be CBTC compatible before they would retire them. The R262 order would need to be like 2,000 cars to replace the R62/62A and R142s. No way the TA orders a fleet that large.  

They can retire them with a separate order, Why waste millions of dollars on converting those cars when by the time they do those cars they will be at retirement age. It took the TA a whole decade to get those cars right and to be reliable. There is over 1,000 of them on top of that. Converting them to CBTC will be a big pain in the ass since they weren't built with CBTC in mind like the R143 fleet and above which imo is a dumb oversight by MTA. If they want the R142s to last they would have to totally rebuild them from the ground up which again would cost money.

1 hour ago, darkstar8983 said:

To answer your comments since it is clear you LOVE to hate on me and annoy me to no end.

1. The  should have never lost its tech trains. Ubers are getting expensive when it rains and now have to come up with a winter contingency plan to get around since it will be too cold to bike or wait on subway platforms waiting for what might be a one-off R160 that may show up on the  . I am purposely saying this explicitly just to annoy you this time. 

2. You saying that SMEEs trains CAN run in CBTC territory but just that the signals are super far apart is like saying they can’t run in those territories because then it will be a huge detriment to the lines that normally run on those lines because now they have to be careful to not strike a SMEE train that might not get detected by the signal system. I don’t know about this comment 100% regarding the provisions for non CBTC trains running in these areas.

3. Turning trains around midway in Brooklyn is like sticking a giant middle finger up at them saying “oh well, that’s what you get for living along the  or any like that runs alongside it. Also don’t forget about the UES people. You’d have to close 2 Av stations whenever there’s the tiniest hiccup because you’d cut off their access to midtown and really anywhere when there’s a problem.

4. I’m not saying DONT do 6th Av. I’m saying - might as well do the whole B division central business district in one go and get it over with, because you’re going to screw certain riders (clearly you don’t like people that live along 2 Av, Brighton, 4 Av, or Astoria)

5. It might be the case that the R142s might retire, it might not be. And similar to how I suggested just doing the whole B division in one fell swoop, when it comes to Lexington Av, might as well do 7th Av Express right away due to the issues @ Roger’s Av Junction, unless you propose dropping the  and train or de-interlining to the point that Livonia loses 7th Av service and Nostrand loses Lexington Av service

All this is just copium at this point. I can't take you seriously after the first point.

On 7/25/2022 at 10:19 PM, darkstar8983 said:

Actually all they did now is shift the issue to Broadway. If Broadway shits the bed (as you say), the  can get rerouted via 6 Av, but the  (assuming the  is still running in the future) will be f**ked. And with the  trains stuck unable to go into Manhattan due to no other lines being able to accommodate the SMEE cars, trains will get stuck in Brooklyn (Prospect Park for the and at either 36 St or Atlantic Av Barclays Center for the ). And yes, Lexington has to be done in tandem with 7 Av, but in my opinion, Broadway and 6th Av should have been done simultaneously, order enough R211 cars to just finish off all the old cars to prevent this catastrophe. Its one thing when there's only one trunk line where SMEE cars cannot run on (Queens Blvd), but its something else when now the SMEE cars CAN ONLY RUN on one trunk line (in this case, Broadway), because the NTT cars can run in fixed-block territory, but SMEEs cannot run in CBTC territory. And if the older cars are retrofitted with modernized signaling, then might as well keep the R68s on the , shift R160s from Jamaica to Coney Island, and give Jamaica / Pitkin / 207 St the R211s for the .

You saying all of this bullshit because you want techs on the , Stop it.

They can turn trains around at Jay St and at Atlantic ave.  

And SMEEs can Run on CBTC lines since the block signals will still be there, It's just less signals and more apart.

6th ave is being done because they will have the oldest signals in the system by the time CBTC work would start since they are IND original signals.

On 7/26/2022 at 2:58 AM, Daniel The Cool said:

Actually the R142/R142As were already planned on being CBTC Compatible for the Lexington Avenue CBTC when that project was announced a few years ago.

 

With Lexington ave CBTC being delayed, Those R142s might retire instead of being converted either half or the whole fleet.

16 hours ago, Trainmaster5 said:

Since the option order for R211 cars is being added to the existing capital budget I have to admit that I was wrong about the issue. I read some of the  documents that appeared and noticed the BS funding assumptions spread throughout. Did anyone else see the plans for the SIRT ? Unless I missed it I don’t remember anything about R211 equipment. Likewise did anyone else notice that the R262 cars and the IRT CBTC project was kicked down the road ? Many of us were told 25 years ago that the IRT would never make the projected CBTC completion date. This came from the people in the know. On the subject of retrofitted B Division equipment for CBTC compliance which cars were they talking about ? My last point concerns the subway ridership numbers. Either the  or some posters are making up those numbers. Someone is flat out wrong. There’s an article about the  in Monday’s Daily News that also summarized the points that were made. BTW the points made about the Astoria line and the Broadway BMT also apply to the IRT Lexington Avenue and Seventh Avenue line. My take. Carry on.

I see the R262 order being pushed back since Lexington CBTC is pushed back. The R62/62A fleet are still in decent shape so they can last up to 50 years with good maintenance.

2 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

Both R211 options are now funded in the new Capital Program Amendment (page 109)
https://new.mta.info/document/91711

Given the CBTC news today, I think its almost certain that they'll be running on the with occasional appearances on the and

Watch idiots still think that the they won't be funded even though this is proof

This puts a smile on my face because the foamers are gonna cope with this news.

I still think the R160s will go to CI for the while Jamaica gets their batch of R211s. The , , and will get them. The probably will still go 8 cars