R32 3838

I don't see an issue with the merge at 59th between and trains since those are switches that trains can go about 25mph over. The Hoyt merge kinda sucks but that can be modified if they built a high speed switch.  Canal St is the only issue as it causes delays to all 3 and lines which could be corrected.

A good chunk of you guys lack common sense and think everything has to be de interlined when its completely normal for routes to merge. There are certain things that do need to be corrected but not everything should de interlined just for the sake of it. Railroads have routes that merge but it works because trains do not go 10mph over switches that you can go 20-30mph on. All of these changes you guys are proposing costs money that we all know they don't have. And if were up to me, The only 2 junctions that would be corrected would be dekalb with a new 4 track underwater tunnel connecting Broadway and 6th ave lines and the rogers junction which was going to be corrected and was in the planning stages before the pandemic hit. 

Broadway can get corrected

8th ave can be corrected

These 2 wouldn't hurt because its very simple and much cheaper esp Broadway. Just have the   and serve Queens while the / serves 2nd ave. This eliminates the merging point at 34th st and keeps the express trains on their own tracks.

2 hours ago, U-BahnNYC said:

I just don't see the point in giving any IND line 8-car trains. 8-car trains are meant for the Eastern Division only. The  should become 10-car once the full R211 order arrives so it can just use the Jamaica Yard fleet. Simplify things on the entire IND system once and for all to make way for platform screen doors. 

Regarding the , the R179s will be more than adequate for the entire Eastern Division if all the 8-car R179s are displaced to East New York. No need for 8-car r211s to complicate things further. Just make the damn train 10 cars like every other IND line and call it a day. The remaining R179s from the  will be enough to increase capacity on the and the . 

Why does the MTA purposely shoot itself in the foot like this? With continued gentrification along the  I see no sense in not just making it a 10-car IND line. 

Them being in a rush to get rid of the R32s and not thinking with common sense is why we are in the situation we are in. The R179s should have been mostly 10 car units from the start. It's criminal that the has only 13 sets and the fact that the is still 8 cars or half of the line.

The can't use the R179s since the cbtc kits wouldn't work on the line unless they make a dedicated group for the . The is better off with the R179s since all the CBTC kits in the R160's (8377 and up), R179s and R211s has to be compatible with all CBTC and upcoming CBTC routes with the exception of the .

Also even without the R211 8 car units, We are going to have a surplus of 8 car trains now which is why i feel that making the R179s mostly 8 car units was a dumb decision. The only thing i could see happening is ordering additional R160 B cars to insert in existing 4 car units similar to the R188s minus the CBTC conversion to increase the amount of 10 car R160s.   

2 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

Does the L really need that extra capacity?

The G needs to go full length once the r179's get displaced from the C.

IMO I think the 8 car r211's should go to the G or M, the JZ gets all the 8 car r179's, the L gets all the r143's plus some r160's.

The is a high ridership line and should get the small amount of R211s which would be shared with the / if that group of R211s have the CBTC to run on the like the R143s and 64 R160s

If the were to get the 8 car R160s, The would have to use the R179s which are currently in the process of receiving CBTC kits.

And with the ridership patterns that keep changing, We don't even know if the will ether get 8 car trains. It all depends since things are always changing on the fly.

2 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

The G will need some of the 8 car r160's. If ENY still has high spare factor after the G becomes full length, then it would be a great idea to extend the Z to 4th Avenue to make the Z a more useful line and provide more local service on 4th Avenue.

NO, The needs to stay the way it is now. I'm sick and tired of people thinking the is useless when they don't even take the line. Skip - Stop works on the / and its very useful when you want another way to get to Jamaica if the has issues. Have every other to to 9th ave instead during the rush hours. Having every other go to Brooklyn would not be bad and would not interfere with the skip stop pattern since the other trains will end at broad st. Or just have both / go down to 9th ave by adding a few more trains during the peak hours.

15 minutes ago, U-BahnNYC said:

Can someone explain to me why on earth we need more 8 car trains? With the 8-car R179s coming off the once R211s arrive, the Eastern Division will have a ridiculously high spare factor. And truthfully, it already has a high spare factor...

Extra capacity for the line is the main reason why.

2 hours ago, Calvin said:

I wonder how recently the Next Gens that were sent from NYC Bus to MTA Bus were retired even though they were in service to replace the Old Gens. Meanwhile, the base numbers are still intact that aren't retired (4020-4039, 4140-4169, 4631-4655).

That's because they have more mileage than the bus counterparts. NYCT/MaBstoa Buses are used a lot more than the bus ones and have way more mileage. Remember they use NYCT/MaBstoa Buses on subway shuttles a lot more than bus. Plus a good portion of these buses are beat up, I would say Baisley is lucking out because the majority of their next gens except 1 were from good depots. while a sizable chunk of LGA's NG's were from garbage depots hence why they say screw it and send them to ECH and i can't blame them.

2 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

We should be exhausting every other possible way to either raise enough revenue to properly fund Transit operations or cut excess staffing in the ‘s very extensive ranks of management before we turn to cutting bus and subway services. You can’t run a military with too many generals and not enough soldiers. A public transit agency is no different in that regard. And like you said, the  aren’t looking very hard to save money anyway, so all this talk of cutting services is moot…for now.

And how far ahead did the  come out anyway after cutting the Bay Pkwy  and the  and the  to Court Sq in 2010?

Cutting the from bay parkway kinda made sense by merging it with the . The only downfall is 4th ave lost a 2nd local train. Plus they had no other choice as the R44s needed to be retired and the portion that remained before the cuts were not replaced by the R160s as all of them were already delivered. By merging the with the , It freed up about 15 trains of R46s from the to kill off the remaining R44s.

The we all knew was coming back, It was mainly temporary due to 2nd ave construction in the 63rd st tunnels that the used for midday lay ups.

The being Cut to Court Sq was mainly due to Queens Blvd CBTC work but The should return to Forest Hills during late nights and Weekends. During the week it can stay at Court Sq. Having only the as an option sucks on weekends.

The Cuts really effected the buses more since they really went ham on the buses in all the boroughs.

1 hour ago, Lawrence St said:

I'm not sure what your not getting. If the  has no money, they have to do cuts, public input or not. But rest assured that they will go after the lines preforming the worst, which are the ones I mentioned, as well as giving station hour cuts to least used stations.

Astoria needs to suck it up. Most of the outerlying terminals through the system are only serviced by one line. You don't hear us complaining when the  got cut.

They tend to go after the buses first before they hit the subway. The bus redesigns are nothing but glorified cuts and merged routes. There is some good to the redesigns and improvements but overall it's cuts. If it comes to the point if they have to cut  with the subway, It is what it is but it won't sit well with people and would be political suicide on the governors part. That's all i'm saying. This isn't 2010 anymore, A lot has changed since then and has been caving in to bullshit like the strollers on the buses and etc. With the addition of trying to add congestion pricing in fall 2023.

The only thing they'll likely do first is reduce service all week instead of Monday and Friday before they think about major cuts. They are already changing things up piece by piece (example The Reduction of service during midday on select routes Monday and Friday.)

6 minutes ago, Mtatransit said:

Well to be fair, you have a expected budget shortfall, you have to do two things to balance the budget, either increase the revenue, such as a government bailout. The congestion pricing goes to MTA's capital projects, not operations, that fare increase or reduce expense. 

Reducing expense without increasing the productivity of the workers (both managements and unions) means service reductions is probably the only option. It doesn't look like the MTA is looking very hard to save money anyways

 

But when there is service reductions, something has to go, hard decisions will have to be made

Not saying the  isn't needed or the weakest link in Brooklyn, but if there is a budget hole, the weakest link is the first one to go. 

 

The 2010 cuts was also because of budget shortfalls not R44 retirement

The R44 retirement played a role in the cuts. The line fleet (R46s and the 26 R32s) went directly to the when they did the cuts which in turn was planned to wipe out the remaining R44s that were running on the but the R32s HVAC units started crapping out on the so they kept a handful of R44s by running them on the and having the R32s run on the until September when they finally retired the R44 fleet for good.  Budget was primarily the reason but also the lack of subway cars. Merging the   with the help lessen the blow of the car shortage. Plus the would have been reduced anyway due to 2nd ave construction, Around that time 63rd st where they used to lay up midday trains was not in use so they had lay up trains between times sq and 49th st. This is why the went to Astoria as well besides replacing the .

Cutting service is not going to be an option when you have most of NYC already angry about them wanting to go forward with congestion pricing. This would be political suicide if they allow cuts. They are going to have to really think outside the box to keep the budget balanced. The worse case scenario would to merge a line similar to the   or replace a portion of a route like example train running to Euclid ave to replace the in brooklyn (I doubt this would happen, Just an example) Or Have the only serve flatbush Rush Hours only like before or just completely cut it in brooklyn all together (I also doubt that would happen since it's un realistic but these are examples)

They really can't cut much like for example, The . Politics will get involved now since there would be no replacement like in 2010 (I still think Astoria doesn't need 2 services, 1 is good enough with increased service) But in reality everything will be a shitshow if they even try to cut subway service. Buses on the otherhand.......

2 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

And to add on to this, the way how I look at service cuts is the exact way  did during the 2010 cuts. 
 

Don’t give me that “you don’t use this line” excuse. I’m looking at the ridership numbers to justify my opinion, just like they did back in 2010. Unfortunately if they don’t get money, they are going to cut service where it’s least used. This isn’t a “foamer” mentality, it’s buisness.

And to just to recap what they might do if they get into another budget crisis:

No  service in Brooklyn.

Weekend  service ends at Myrtle Ave-Wycoff Ave.

Fulton St & Broad St  closed during Sundays.

 eliminated except TPH would be decreased.

 eliminated. Again.

 late night service eliminated. 

If it doesn't come out of you pocket, STFU

You have idiots in the city and state trying to force people who drive $23 to go below 60th st and an agency that somehow always ends up broke. Meanwhile you have who sits there and hires unnecessary people with big salaries but running subway service on lines with low ridership is bad.

If the city and the state wern't pushing for Congestion pricing, Then this wouldn't be a big of a deal than it is now. You can't encourage people to take mass transit whith less options. This is why there are more cars on the road than ever before. Between Albany and the , It has been a shit show for over 4 decades. 2004 was the best for subway service until 2010. And for the record they had no choice but to do cut due to the R44 retirement, There wouldn't had been enough subway cars for full service hence the and (2010-2016) being cut.

I really try to be nice but some of you are really special for wanting cuts just because. Fulton Center is the reason why those 2 stations are open 24/7. It shows that half of you are more foamers than people who actually who use the line as commuters. Just like the morons who always cry about the train and how it should be cut for no reason. Y'all weren't saying that when them R32s were dominating it but as soon as they went away, all of a sudden the shouldn't exist. 

42 minutes ago, AlgorithmOfTruth said:

If the  were to permanently terminate at Chambers Street, you're going to screw over lots of people that take the train to Fulton Street for the . I lived off the  for over 25 years and being able to make those transfers when they became available full-time at Fulton Street really helped. Also, I would take the  to Broad Street and walk to the Staten Island Ferry after work, as did many other people. Closing those last two stations on the line would affect lots of people that depend on it. Do you have experience taking the  in Lower Manhattan at several different times of day over the past few years?

None of these cats ride the line to understand why things are the way they are. They don't care since it doesn't effect their lines.

1 hour ago, RandomRider0101 said:

Yes the is a heavily used line; so is the , and many other lines in the system. That doesn't make them immune to service cuts. If ridership is lighter during certain time periods (which is the case with all services), that is the perfect justification for reducing service. I'm not saying it's right; it certainly isn't good news for us passengers. But that's just how it works.

This is an agency that relies heavily on fare revenue; that fare revenue funds the service that we get. When you have a chunk of that revenue missing, you will have a hard time maintaining the same levels of service; not to mention the crew shortages, which only adds to the problems.

The biggest issue is that even if the ridership grows back, They tend to keep things the same. The wanted to keep reduced post pandemic /   reduced service when they only ran 50% of both lines. The union had to fight to get full service back on those lines in 2021. That's the issue with , They cut shit and try to keep these cuts which doesn't help anyone. No matter how you put it, It makes look bad when you have them touting that they need additional revenue by charging people who drive $23 to go south of 60th st. It's a bad look and the whole Monday and Friday changes  are not sitting well with the union and the transit workers. All this does is screw things up more than helping.

There are other ways to cut costs, Reducing services during 2 weekdays isn't one of them. They need to trim the fat at 2 Broadway instead of taking it out on passengers.

8 minutes ago, trainfan22 said:

An MTA Property Protection Agent shot someone at Union Street on the train tonight. First time I heard of those PPA actually shooting someone.

 

 

For those who don't know, PPA are the armed guards who guard the employees who work on the MVM. This shooting supposedly happened due to an argument, not an robbery.

 

 

 

probably more to the story, Just like how everyone jumped the gun on the NJT driver for shooting those animals. We will find out the real reason probably in the morning on what really happened.

3 hours ago, RandomRider0101 said:

Ridership isn't the same as it was pre-pandemic; so is adjusting service patterns to match the new ridership trends.

Come to think of it, this is more like a service shift than a reduction; well technically it's both, but I think most people get the point.

Either way, the 'low on equipment' argument doesn't really hold as much weight when there hasn't even been enough crews to run "normal" service the past 2-3 years; this is on top of the aforementioned ridership issue.

Ultimately, my point is that we shouldn't expect ridership to go back to what it was before; even if/when congestion pricing goes into effect (something I never really voiced my opinion on).

Many people are exercising their option to work from home (those who have that option), so chances are they won't be riding the subway or even driving cars nearly as much. For those of us that have no other options, we will continue to do what we have to do while the MTA adapts in a way that is most financially feasible for them.

When you have , the city and state pushing for congestion pricing and wanting to charge $23 to go below 60th st. This right here isn't a good idea and the fact they they want to do this in June of next year is laughable. The whole ridership is down is non sense when i ride the subway daily and the trains are packed. We all know its not pre pandemic levels but you can't sit here and try to force people to take mass transit but take away options at the same time. This is why people oppose congestion pricing. 

2 hours ago, Lex said:

The individual in question has a hyperfocus on the R46 cars.

It's not about having a hyperfocus on the R46s cars. It's about having enough subway cars so when they do congestion pricing, They'll have enough Trains to cover for the expected ridership jump.

WFH is more like codename for: We don't have enough equipment so we are going to reduce service to cover up our( ) f**k up. On top of that Covid is wreaking havoc in china again so expect supply chain shortages again (they really didn't stop but got better) meaning this could affect the R211/M9 orders due to the supplies (components) being short and most of our stuff is made in china.

Ridership has grown, It's just that they don't count farebeaters. I've been on trains that are packed. The and still carries around midday around 10 am.

And i find it funny they want to do this when they want congestion pricing to start by the fall of that year. Yeah, This is very attracting to people they are  trying to force to take mass transit. This is why i laugh at these so-called progressive rail buffs who always defend congesting pricing but at the same time they have 's ballsack in their mouths. Even if it's just Monday and Friday, It's not a good way to get people to take mass transit. The word cuts shouldn't come out of 's mouth, No one gives a shit when they are trying to force people to fund their mis management.

On 12/15/2022 at 11:56 AM, subwaycommuter1983 said:

This came out today:

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2022/12/15/states-senator-gianaris-on-new-legislation-aiming-to-improve-mta-while-balancing-budget

I hope this bill gets passed. This bill needs to also include auditing the MTA to ensure that they are managing their budget efficiently.

There is no doubt that one of the biggest issues with the MTA is that they don't know how to manage the budget. They got billions of dollars from the Federal government and yet service is getting worse. They got the nerve to find lame excuses (like "ridership is low", which is not true) to raise fares and cut service.

Also, they are taking their sweet time to buy new subway cars. The r262's and whatever is replacing the r68's should have been included in this current Capital program.

Notice how service on trains that use r46's have gotten worse. The r46's are breaking down like flies. If delays on the r211 persists, we are going to face a subway car shortage that will cripple the system.

They delayed Lexington CBTC so It's smart to just focus on the R68 replacements first imo. The R62/R62As don't have the less door issue like the 75 footers have and the R62s are stand sized IRT cars. Their only issue is the they have standard sized doors instead of the wider doors on the R142/142A fleet plus the R62/R62A are very reliable cars.

R46s are terrible because they have a spare shortage and they run on the and 24/7. Before, The R46s were fairly reliable.

Once the R211s go into service, No R46 that's currently running should be placed OOS until there are 200 R211s in passenger service. State want congestion pricing to start by late 2023 if they get their way (subject to change), They will need every subway car they currently have.

Also buying new subway cars is a process and the pandemic really screwed things up with the supply shortages. This is the main reason why the R211s aren't in service yet. You can't just produce new subway cars out of thin air. It takes a lot of time and planning to do so. 

19 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

This is why this bill needs to be approved, so that people can ride the bus for free. 

There are some farebeaters that are crooks. However, there are so many people right now that are underemployed or living paycheck to paycheck struggling to make ends meet because things are too expensive and are farebeating because they can't afford to pay $127 a month.

That's all bullshit, Sometimes you have to make sacrifices or get your money up. Most of these broke people buy expensive stuff and walk on the bus without a single care in the world. screw free fares, Lets focus on making sure Rent doesn't keep increasing, That needs to be signed into law.  We worrying about the wrong things while not focusing on the most important things. The right can be bad but the left as just as bad with the "everything must be free" attitude while doing nothing about rent increases in neighborhoods that are primarily People of color .

8 hours ago, Future ENY OP said:

My only guess is maintenance for that unit.. MV has 2 artic bays. 6184 from MQ was recently there also for maintenance..

That Artic is there for training and clearance testing in the case of a winter storm they can store buses there while loaning 40 footers.  They can't use 126th st anymore to store artics.

2 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

But it was determined that it would be easier and more cost effective to convert the R142As versus the R62As on the . Otherwise, the R62As would have stayed on the .

I never said the R62A's were getting converted. I was saying the R142/142A fleet were not built with CBTC in mind like the R143s and up were. That's all i was saying.

12 hours ago, trainfan22 said:

Starting next weekend the TOMC will run express on the local track.

 

 

Always thought having these old cars making all those stops was an bad idea cause of increased chance of door problems. Will suck when the train catches up to a regular train and will have to crawl behind it, that is annoying as hell regardless of equipment.

It's going to suck because this train will catch up to a regular train when it goes express. They were better off doing Harlem 148th to times sq on the or E180th to times Sq on the like in 2004. Have it go express between E180th and 3rd ave 149th and regular stops to times sq.

This behavior wouldn't be a problem if our state wasn't so lax with the law. too many bastards are running around doing dumb shit. Overall the trip wasn't that bad besides from that one moron. Better than last years first week of the R32 run. But there were some non railfan wakos on the train. A crackhead was going through it on the car i was on, Added to the nostalgia of the 80s lmao.

6 hours ago, VIP said:

I wonder why they keep shuffling those cars back and forth… 

They probably need equipment since they barely have any for the . It's rumored that there are 4 cars of R46s OOS at pitkin (either retired or just mothballed) for about a few months now. I don't know how true that is. Plus ENY has a very large spare factor so them losing 4 cars wouldn't hurt them. I just wish the R179s were CBTC equipped already so they can run on the and reduce the spare factor at ENY by sending more R179s (temporary) to the .

1 hour ago, VIP said:

Welp! the First refurbished  R160A five-car unit, 9733-9737 got it’s blue NYS livery scheme aka “Cuomo wrap” removed. 

they removed it from other units as well after they were vandalized.

30 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

That still does not change the fact that  rushed this.

If I was in charge, I would have continued with the installation of CBTC on QBL but not activated it / changed fleet around until all the 211’s came in. Because I know that R46’s, which have been home to the  for a while, would not survive on heavy ridership/dwell times like Broadway. That’s also why I wouldn’t have retired 50 R32’s and instead assigned a small number to CIY/Pitkin.

Nah, If CBTC work is finished, Then they should use it. Broadway will be fine, It doesn't have the ridership as the or does. Maybe the and does but the and gets decent ridership which has been growing these past few years. The issue is just the low spare factor.

I wouldn't say rushed this, They just shot themselves in the foot by relying too much on the R211s instead of just keeping the R32s as reserve fleet while testing the R211s. Money also played a role into this as well besides covid and politics. On Paper when you have a shortage of crews and half the ridership at that time (2020-21). It made sense to retire the R32s at that time because by the time the R211s hit service, They would not need the R32s anymore. The didn't expect to run into numerous issues with the R211s. They took a bet on dealing with the low spare factor until the summer of 2022 and now we are all paying for it.

3 hours ago, RandomRider0101 said:

Y'all see what happens when you jump to conclusions? Anytime an R46 has an issue, it's automatically 'because they dont have spares', 'the r46s are falling apart', 'the r32s should've been kept in service'.

Don't some of you ever get tired of repeating the same stuff? Cause I sure as hell get tired of seeing it & I know I'm not the only one. What's done is done, & no amount of complaining is going to make things better; They will eventually have a handful of R211s in service, and this will become a moot point.

It's the truth tho, I will admit i'll take the L on the stuck train but the the point still stands.

Last weekend I missed the train, The next one was 20 mins away, thankfully a Q8 was right there, took the bus to euclid ave. Got on the which was leaving in 5 mins, The in front of mine (R46) was still at Sheppard av, It broke down and was taken OOS thus creating another 20 min gap. Now you do that with no spare trains. Now you have to deal with shitty service throughout the evening.  That is the problem and then You have the city and state pushing for congestion pricing and we have a subway car shortage again until the R211s finally hit service. knew that the problems would pop up with the R211 fleet due to the effects of the pandemic. That train has parts from all over the world and when you have supply chain issues, It affects everything. This is why the R211s are delayed and why they aren't running yet as they ran into issues and have had some components (normal for most subway cars when new) replaced. 

This is why i and others say what we say, I'm tired of the "oh they had to go bullshit" when they spent millions in 2017-18 on 100 cars to keep them running until 2022-23. This "lets scrap shit first and ask questions later" is why we still don't have 100% full length trains and longer trains in 2022 which is very sad.

Y'all can't sit here and be like we want better transit and then on the other hand be wanting things to go when the replacements aren't here yet or when they don't have enough to replace everything. Even when the R211 are coming in, They should NOT retire any R46s that are in service until  at least 150 to 200 R211s are in service. 

can't get away with the BS that they have done for years no more. Esp with the city/state pushing for congestion pricing. You already have people who are angry already and knows the system is garbage. This is why people went to cars, I always asked close ones why don't they take the train? They explained to me that the service is shit. I put 50% of the blame on Albany since they screwed the   but the other 50% is all on the . It's like history repeating itself and people who clam they are all for mass transit seems to not give a shit.

3 hours ago, biGC323232 said:

Just cause they dont break down when u ride them dont make them reliable....46s not as young as you make them out to be....And yes they did do that for 32s..So why 160s started to run on the C...Shuffling what...You mean 160s off the QBL Main line how hard would that be...And what makes the 46s so better than the 32s in their final years...Nobody here crying and wining about the 32s being gone...Quite frankly i could care less cause i stop using the subway ...What i do agree with 3838 is that  they should have kept them until they  made sure 211 can start the replacement of old cars....

The issue is that Jamaica needs the majority of their cars due to CBTC, They can loan some cars on weekends since you have lay ups in CIY. And they don't get that I'm not saying bring em back. Every time someone mentions R32s on social media or on here, People tend to go full retard for no reason. They don't understand that no one wants shit service when they are trying to force people to pay money to go south of 59th st for $23 (that can change). We know there is a crew shortage but there is also a car shortage which the was not expecting (they should have since everything that has electronics were slowed down during that time) since they thought the R211s would be in service now. They figured that if they retired the R32s in in early 2022, They wouldn't have to worry since ridership at that time in 2021 was still at 50% plus the crew shortage and money. So I understand why they made that decision which i repeatedly said a number of times but clearly some people are slow. R46s now have to suffer sadly which suck because these were very reliable cars. It's like when they left Jamaica, They just weren't the same anymore.

Just fount out the reason why that r46 got stuck, Wasn't the trains fault. the protection board was lose and ripped out all the 3rd rail contact shoes off the train. This was conformed by a TA worker.

1 hour ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

Then why don’t they get on with testing the R211 pilot train with passengers already? It’s been 15-16 months since those cars got here. What more tests or evaluation could they possibly need after all this time? How much more waiting truly is necessary before we really start seeing problems with the older cars? Get on with it already! 

They ran into issues during testing and some parts had to be replaced (which is normal)  But you tie in the supply shortages and labor delays, It also affects the testing of the cars. They want to make sure these work right out of the gate. They don't want a repeat of the R179s.

This is what happens when the get too confident and retires a whole fleet of subway cars instead of keeping them on reserve thinking "Hey we have the R211s, They'll be in service in the summer of 2022. We don't need this old shit." Meanwhile ridership continue to grow and the crew shortage is somewhat getting slightly better. But now they are still short on equipment and have no choice but to run the R46s/R68s to the ground.

3 minutes ago, biGC323232 said:

Yes these 46s are taking a beating..Mainly cause of no spares and retireing 32s before the 211 are fully ready for service .. got to find a way to give some of these cars a break...I say jamaica should take over The N or Q on Weekends until 211 enters service...

I can see them doing this, They might have no choice, Bringing back the R32s would be a money drain due to the fact they would have to re train all the new hires from mid to late 2021 until present on top of repairing all the remaining cars they have only to run them for about 5-6 months. Plus it would be a big embarrassment to the   after doing the last run retirement trips. It's not worth it unless a very big emergency happens or Kawasaki foots the bill.